Xbox 360 and PS3 price cuts coming this fall

the only question now is what took so dame long.

A 160GB PS3 Slim for $300 sounds pretty good to me... I wouldn't sell my 60GB for it but it does sound like a fair deal for new buyers in the market and I think it will compete well against the 360. If they throw in a game like MGS4 or any of the big titles along with the price cut, bigger HDD and smaller console it could be great.

If this is true (which I doubt) xbox's sales are going to annihilate ps sale (assuming consoles retain their current popularity, and if the ps3 slim isn't that great).

I think that sony will sell the 160gb at a discounted price, but sell the ps3 slim at the current price for a regular ps3.

I hope this isn't too little too late.

I'm an early adopter, which in this case (can't believe the way Sony has butchered the poor PS3...) is a good thing as I can still play PS2 games on my HDTV with the same HDMI wire (W00t!), as for the harddrive... that only helps with people who don't already own a PS3 - if you own a 60GB or an 80GB you can upgrade the device yourself by buying a laptop harddrive (SATA) and following the installation instructions on Sony's site - This doesn't even void the warranty! I threw a 320GB in mine, sure a 500GB would work too...

A slimmer version would be nice though... and a price cut will help adoption - I really hope they cut the price by 100 and not 50 like they most likely will... They need to compete with MS - even if MS does have a lot of little nickel and dime costs, there are unfortunately more games for it... I fell regret sometimes at owning my PS3- but I refuse to buy a 360... I hope I don't end up getting it because PS3 fails @_@;

Originally posted by chris4160:

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If this is true (which I doubt) xbox's sales are going to annihilate ps sale (assuming consoles retain their current popularity, and if the ps3 slim isn't that great).

I think that sony will sell the 160gb at a discounted price, but sell the ps3 slim at the current price for a regular ps3.

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I highly doubt that. On average (World Wide) the 360 is currently half the price of the PS3 yet can't manage to outsell it and if it does it's only by a few thousand.

I don't know how the 360 is gonna annihilate PS3 sales because all they are doing is getting rid of the Pro packages and replacing it with the Elite for the same price (or a console with the same HDD anyways) which isn't really huge...

Where are you guys getting your numbers from?

www.vgcharts.com

I kinda felt this one coming. Not the lowering on price for a PS3 but the eventual countermove of lowering of the price of the Xbox360 which would at least help to neutralize any ground that Sony was planning to make in sales. That is at least for those of us who think the PS3 is everpriced, and that is group of people who favor the majority more than the minority. Really i dont see any reason to buy a PS3 over the xbox360 gamer wise just depends on your exclusive gaming selection. Both consoles have a good lineup of games by now but you still spend a lot more on a PS3 in the long run and the games look 99.9% the same on both consoles so why pay more. In the end of this gaming era the consoles will finish in the same exact order as sales are at this current time. PS3 sales will spark at first but eventually level off and in the end it will be sales like

1. Wii
2. Xbox360
3. PS3

I myself already have a Wii and xbox360 and will be adding a PS3 after the price drop. PS3 has a lot of exclusives i am dying to play.
Uncharted and TBR..Uncharted 2, Resistance 1&2, MGS, Little bigplanet, etc....

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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If this is true (which I doubt) xbox's sales are going to annihilate ps sale (assuming consoles retain their current popularity, and if the ps3 slim isn't that great).

I think that sony will sell the 160gb at a discounted price, but sell the ps3 slim at the current price for a regular ps3.

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I highly doubt that. On average (World Wide) the 360 is currently half the price of the PS3 yet can't manage to outsell it and if it does it's only by a few thousand.

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Seriously, where do you get your numbers from?
Check Wikipedia or VG Charts, the Xbox 360 has 30.87 million systems sold worldwide and the PS3 has 22.86 million systems sold worldwide. That's not a difference of a few thousands (with an "S").

Ugh he didn't mean total sales, please actually read his post :/

He means that basically all around the world, PS3 is outselling 360. In Japan it owns, in Europe most of the time it outsells and in the 360 it's the opposite situation of Japan but it is picking up.

I mean, I remember when 360 had a leas of like 12 million consoles, now it only has 8. By the end of this generation of consoles if it doesn't pass it'll be pretty close...

I re-read his post, he didn't mention anything except for worldwide and worldwide, the Xbox 360 is outselling by 8 million..

Outselling means that one thing is selling more then another, regardless of how many are already sold or total sales.

Yeah but he didn't mention "this month" or "last year" or "this year" or "total sales" so when he said that, it made no sense to me.

so long as they cut the price by $100 and keep a steady line-up of games it can catch up too or overturn the 360.

the reason is simple, the 360 is saturated in almost all regions save for japan. (>.> Japanese always get all the goody's anyway).

the PS3 has a less saturated area all round and may very well take the spot from Xbox.

When this above statement happens i'll have you know i have no experience in the field of marketing data

maybe i should make a few million with my own company call it DXR's Marketing DATA Analysis.

xbox in canada was just recently sold for 150 at walmart. that ofcourse is the arcade. Be nice to see if the arcade goes down to that price

You can't use VGChartz because XBox 360 is nearly Last gen, it was out longer, it's got a much higher chance to have sold more seeing it has been in the market longer...Seriously, so easy to see that, lol

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Ugh he didn't mean total sales, please actually read his post :/

He means that basically all around the world, PS3 is outselling 360. In Japan it owns, in Europe most of the time it outsells and in the 360 it's the opposite situation of Japan but it is picking up.

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Thank You Morreale. I knew I should have put in year over year but thought by inferring "current" that it would suffice...looks like it didn't, so my apologies for the little confusion it may have implied/caused. But either way the supposed 7-8 Million difference is attributed to the head start MS had and I say supposed because although yes they did sell that amount it doesn't mean they are all working, usable consoles out in peoples hands.

Yea my friend had 2 just after the first year because 1 broke and it wasn't covered then, he was pissed and just bought a new one :P

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Originally posted by Morreale:

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Ugh he didn't mean total sales, please actually read his post :/

He means that basically all around the world, PS3 is outselling 360. In Japan it owns, in Europe most of the time it outsells and in the 360 it's the opposite situation of Japan but it is picking up.

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Thank You Morreale. I knew I should have put in year over year but thought by inferring "current" that it would suffice...looks like it didn't, so my apologies for the little confusion it may have implied/caused. But either way the supposed 7-8 Million difference is attributed to the head start MS had and I say supposed because although yes they did sell that amount it doesn't mean they are all working, usable consoles out in peoples hands.

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It's not 7-8 million, it's 8.01 million.
Also, the people who got the RROD, like myself, got the Xbox 360 replaced for free. Also, for those who got the RROD E74 error after their 1 year warranty, Microsoft extended it to 3 years. Microsoft made a stupid mistake but they fixed it in anyway they can.
When mine broke, I told Microsoft that I had guests at my house and that we planned on playing with the Xbox 360 and that it would suck if it was gone for a week. To say sorry, they sent me 1 month of Xbox Live Gold and a free game (mine was Project Gotham Racing 4).

Originally posted by lxhotboy:

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Really i dont see any reason to buy a PS3 over the xbox360 gamer wise just depends on your exclusive gaming selection. Both consoles have a good lineup of games by now but you still spend a lot more on a PS3 in the long run and the games look 99.9% the same on both consoles so why pay more.

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Contrary to popular belief, there are people that realize why the price is higher. It's because it has a blu ray player. Some of those people may shrug it off and not care, but others may see the the appeal of incorporating a HD movie player and game console into a single device. And how is the PS3 more expensive in the end? Are you comparing apples to apples? I hope you are not comparing the 360 arcade to the top tier PS3. Compare the Elite with the most expensive PS3, and whether you love it or hate it, you still have something more with the PS3 and you are not paying a subscription fee. In the end, you're taking a pretty big hit to your wallet for both consoles when you factor in peripherels that don't come with the console. How much you pay depends on your individual gaming habits.

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Originally posted by Morreale:

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Ugh he didn't mean total sales, please actually read his post :/

He means that basically all around the world, PS3 is outselling 360. In Japan it owns, in Europe most of the time it outsells and in the 360 it's the opposite situation of Japan but it is picking up.

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Thank You Morreale. I knew I should have put in year over year but thought by inferring "current" that it would suffice...looks like it didn't, so my apologies for the little confusion it may have implied/caused. But either way the supposed 7-8 Million difference is attributed to the head start MS had and I say supposed because although yes they did sell that amount it doesn't mean they are all working, usable consoles out in peoples hands.

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It's not 7-8 million, it's 8.01 million.
Also, the people who got the RROD, like myself, got the Xbox 360 replaced for free. Also, for those who got the RROD E74 error after their 1 year warranty, Microsoft extended it to 3 years. Microsoft made a stupid mistake but they fixed it in anyway they can.
When mine broke, I told Microsoft that I had guests at my house and that we planned on playing with the Xbox 360 and that it would suck if it was gone for a week. To say sorry, they sent me 1 month of Xbox Live Gold and a free game (mine was Project Gotham Racing 4).

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And for someone like me who has a launch day 360 that has failed 4 times and not 1 EVER being covered plus being out past the 3 year "warranty" MS doesn't amount to anything when it comes to hardware to me (much like their software unsurprisingly). But the fact is the supposed "8 Million" lead isn't indicative of REALITY...

And just to re-iterate ~ when you have the PS3 @ $400 dollars in a recession yet it still manages to keep the difference between itself and the lower priced Xbox 360 (@ $200) at a minimum World Wide year over year you have to question which one is really doing better than the other (outside of the damned Wii)

The Wii isn't even in the same class, anyway...but yeah, that's a full year Alone...No competition outside of the Ps2 at the time

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Really i dont see any reason to buy a PS3 over the xbox360 gamer wise just depends on your exclusive gaming selection. Both consoles have a good lineup of games by now but you still spend a lot more on a PS3 in the long run and the games look 99.9% the same on both consoles so why pay more.

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Contrary to popular belief, there are people that realize why the price is higher. It's because it has a blu ray player. Some of those people may shrug it off and not care, but others may see the the appeal of incorporating a HD movie player and game console into a single device. And how is the PS3 more expensive in the end? Are you comparing apples to apples? I hope you are not comparing the 360 arcade to the top tier PS3. Compare the Elite with the most expensive PS3, and whether you love it or hate it, you still have something more with the PS3 and you are not paying a subscription fee. In the end, you're taking a pretty big hit to your wallet for both consoles when you factor in peripherels that don't come with the console. How much you pay depends on your individual gaming habits.

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To use blu-ray properly you need a several thousand dollar 1080p full hd tv, not many people have those. Think of all the high selling
upcoming and released games the 360 has and the ps3 doesn't: halo 1, halo 2, halo 3, halo wars, left 4 dead, fable, fable 2, gears of war 1, gears of war 2, halo 3 odst, left 4 dead 2.
Yes xbox live may cost $40 for 12 months, but that money is spent on updating xbox live. PSN is simply no competition for xbox live.

I own a ps3, xbox 360 and a wii... the 360 is by far the better console.

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Originally posted by lxhotboy:

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Really i dont see any reason to buy a PS3 over the xbox360 gamer wise just depends on your exclusive gaming selection. Both consoles have a good lineup of games by now but you still spend a lot more on a PS3 in the long run and the games look 99.9% the same on both consoles so why pay more.

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Contrary to popular belief, there are people that realize why the price is higher. It's because it has a blu ray player. Some of those people may shrug it off and not care, but others may see the the appeal of incorporating a HD movie player and game console into a single device. And how is the PS3 more expensive in the end? Are you comparing apples to apples? I hope you are not comparing the 360 arcade to the top tier PS3. Compare the Elite with the most expensive PS3, and whether you love it or hate it, you still have something more with the PS3 and you are not paying a subscription fee. In the end, you're taking a pretty big hit to your wallet for both consoles when you factor in peripherels that don't come with the console. How much you pay depends on your individual gaming habits.

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To use blu-ray properly you need a several thousand dollar 1080p full hd tv, not many people have those. Think of all the high selling
upcoming and released games the 360 has and the ps3 doesn't: halo 1, halo 2, halo 3, halo wars, left 4 dead, fable, fable 2, gears of war 1, gears of war 2, halo 3 odst, left 4 dead 2.
Yes xbox live may cost $40 for 12 months, but that money is spent on updating xbox live. PSN is simply no competition for xbox live.

I own a ps3, xbox 360 and a wii... the 360 is by far the better console.

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Your post depresses me. I just bought a 360, and those are the game I have to look forward to? WTF! >:(

They're like all the damn same sh!t!

And I don't know why so many people have a problem with PSN compared to Live. It's great for me, wtf. I've never had an issue with lag or anything for any of my games, like Killzone, GT5:P, GTAIV, some other stuff... Friggin' M$ shovin' that $50 card down my throat, I see it as the same service and for all the millions they pinch out of users from adverts, I don't know why I am paying for it. Yea ok it really isn't much, but I don't have the money right now to pay for it but I have to cause what else would I do with 360 games...

Not much of a selection there ~ 3 shooters & an Action RPG. Personally I prefer a broader range of exclusives like

Killzone 2
Heavy Rain
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Final Fantasy XIV
Infamous
God of War 3
MAG
ICO Team Game
Eye Pet
PIXEL JUNK DUNGEON
DC Universe Online
The Agency
Free Realms
Aion Tower Of Eternity
Eyedentify
Uncharted 2
Yakuza 3
Afrika
Aquatopia
L.A. Noire
Gran Turismo 5
Metal Gear Solid 4
LittleBigPlanet
Motorstorm Games
Resistance Games
Heavenly Sword
Ratchet & Clank Games
Warhawk and successive titles
Socom titles
WipEout HD

or others like

Demon's Soul
White Knight Chronicles
Quantum theory
Folklore

Just to name a few...........

Originally posted by chris4160:

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To use blu-ray properly you need a several thousand dollar 1080p full hd tv, not many people have those.

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No you don't. If you do your homework and wait for the right deal, you can get a 46" for not much more than $1,100. Of course if you walk into Best Buy saying something like "I want a 1080p full hd tv so that I can use blu ray properly and I have several thousand dollars to spend," you'll probably walk out with $3,000 less in your bank account.

Originally posted by chris4160:

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Think of all the high selling upcoming and released games the 360 has and the ps3 doesn't: halo 1, halo 2, halo 3, halo wars, left 4 dead, fable, fable 2, gears of war 1, gears of war 2, halo 3 odst, left 4 dead 2.

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I'll see your Halo 1, 2 and 3, and raise you a Mega Man 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 8 & 9. I'll also throw in a Metal Slug 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6.

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Yes xbox live may cost $40 for 12 months, but that money is spent on updating xbox live. PSN is simply no competition for xbox live.

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That's $40 too much IMO.

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I own a ps3, xbox 360 and a wii... the 360 is by far the better console.

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Much respect if that's how you feel. I don't argue with people if they feel genuine about something. Just don't make ridiculous claims.

i got to break it to ya after updating my PC i find my XBOX collecting more dust than before, every once and awhile i'll play some Blue dragon Some Tales And some lost.

To me thumstiks and FPS's don't mix.

ill make a ridiculous claim too, PC is by far the best Gaming Machine.

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Originally posted by lxhotboy:

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Really i dont see any reason to buy a PS3 over the xbox360 gamer wise just depends on your exclusive gaming selection. Both consoles have a good lineup of games by now but you still spend a lot more on a PS3 in the long run and the games look 99.9% the same on both consoles so why pay more.

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Contrary to popular belief, there are people that realize why the price is higher. It's because it has a blu ray player. Some of those people may shrug it off and not care, but others may see the the appeal of incorporating a HD movie player and game console into a single device. And how is the PS3 more expensive in the end? Are you comparing apples to apples? I hope you are not comparing the 360 arcade to the top tier PS3. Compare the Elite with the most expensive PS3, and whether you love it or hate it, you still have something more with the PS3 and you are not paying a subscription fee. In the end, you're taking a pretty big hit to your wallet for both consoles when you factor in peripherels that don't come with the console. How much you pay depends on your individual gaming habits.

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Ok now lets see, "Am i comparing apples to apples?" Well i did state,"Really i dont see any reason to buy a PS3 over the xbox360 gamer wise just depends on your exclusive gaming selection." That part in red here lets you know i am comparing the consoles for those are in it for the games. That's why i stated GAMERWISE. Just wondering if you missed that. GAMERWISE would suggest that the presence of a blueray drive is probably irrelevant when being used for watching movies. Also it would suggest that i am comparing the lowest priced Xbox360 that will play the games to the lowest priced PS3 that allows us to play those games we love so much. So like i said if a person is in it GAMERWISE then one reason they may choose to pay more to get a PS3 than buying a xbox360 would be preference of exclusive titles. Such as all those games that ONER previously listed for us.

On the subject of PS3 and blueray players. You know a lot of devices are bundled like a tv and blueray player or dvd player and vhs player. Is that always a good thing? I do believe a person could buy a xbox360, enjoy games, and buy a blueray player for about the same price of a single PS3 console. HA HA... that means that i can watch a blueray movie in one room while my son plays games in another for the same price of a PS3 so bundling isnot always what its cracked up to be. That is one reason why it is not contrary to popular belief that more people think the PS3 need a price drop than do those who actually think it is worth all that money. Its kinda like buying a lamborghini specifically b/c they wanted a fast car and spending $300,000 and then someone pulls up to a light next to you in s $50,000 corvette. Why spend the extra money if your concern is only for speed. Actually the corvette would beat the lamborghini but i am not saying either console is better than the other it all comes down to preference as you indeed do have to factor in any purchase of peripherials as you stated. I myself am pleased with my xbycatox360 and again just sitting back waiting on sony to drop the price on the PS3 so this gamer can enjoy some great exclusives on the PS3. One of my favorite games is Hotshots golf and Microsoft tried to rip this game off on xboxlive but fell way short of the addicting fun that Hotshots golf has passed down over the years.

One love for all the gaming consoles if you are about playing great games b/c no one console will have them all. Signing off......lxhotboy...a gamer who enjoyed tandy, atari and colecovision and still goes back to play my NES classics. LOL

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Really i dont see any reason to buy a PS3 over the xbox360 gamer wise just depends on your exclusive gaming selection. Both consoles have a good lineup of games by now but you still spend a lot more on a PS3 in the long run and the games look 99.9% the same on both consoles so why pay more.

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Contrary to popular belief, there are people that realize why the price is higher. It's because it has a blu ray player. Some of those people may shrug it off and not care, but others may see the the appeal of incorporating a HD movie player and game console into a single device. And how is the PS3 more expensive in the end? Are you comparing apples to apples? I hope you are not comparing the 360 arcade to the top tier PS3. Compare the Elite with the most expensive PS3, and whether you love it or hate it, you still have something more with the PS3 and you are not paying a subscription fee. In the end, you're taking a pretty big hit to your wallet for both consoles when you factor in peripherels that don't come with the console. How much you pay depends on your individual gaming habits.

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Ok now lets see, "Am i comparing apples to apples?" Well i did state,"Really i dont see any reason to buy a PS3 over the xbox360 gamer wise just depends on your exclusive gaming selection." That part in red here lets you know i am comparing the consoles for those are in it for the games. That's why i stated GAMERWISE. Just wondering if you missed that. GAMERWISE would suggest that the presence of a blueray drive is probably irrelevant when being used for watching movies. Also it would suggest that i am comparing the lowest priced Xbox360 that will play the games to the lowest priced PS3 that allows us to play those games we love so much. So like i said if a person is in it GAMERWISE then one reason they may choose to pay more to get a PS3 than buying a xbox360 would be preference of exclusive titles. Such as all those games that ONER previously listed for us.

Please go back and re-read my original post and try to interpret it again.

PS. On the subject of PS3 and blueray players. You know a lot of devices are bundled like a tv and blueray player or dvd player and vhs player. Is that always a good thing? I do believe a person could buy a xbox360, enjoy games, and buy a blueray player for about the same price of a single PS3 console. HA HA... that means that i can watch a blueray movie in one room while my son plays games in another for the same price of a PS3 so bundling isnot always what its cracked up to be.

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while i hate bundling the same could be said about the 360. it boils down to perception is it a gaming device that can play DVD's or a dvd player that can play games.

the only difference is one uses blue-ray and one does not, Sony chose to use there flagship Blue-ray and MS chose to stick with there joint media DVD.

they both do the same thing store media to be used with an optical drive.

Advantages of DVD:
low Cost
widely available

Disadvantages:
Low Storage
Bad Compression Ratio.
almost non existent Security

Advantages of Blue-Ray:
High Storage Capacity
Good compression ratio
Reliable Security Features

Disadvantages:
High cost.
Low Market Impact.

The way i see it however is BD has got potential,

if this where released in the late 90s it would have been a developers dream, all the textures and storage capacity your little developer heart could want. but Corps are Pushy on devs they want Money, Not innovation or artwork.

And so that if falls into place and we must come to reality that we will never see 25GB of texture's 15GB of dialog's and 5GB of just plain bad ass weaponry even if its not real :(

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And so that if falls into place and we must come to reality that we will never see 25GB of texture's 15GB of dialog's and 5GB of just plain bad ass weaponry even if its not real :(

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You know i feel you on that. But the truth be told it doesnot matter how much they are able to put onto a disc. It doesnot make a game better in the end. Just my opinion but Bioshock probably has one of the best story lines i have ever had a chance to experience on a game. I encouraged friends to play it and most of them were blown away with the storyline and how it was truely like playing a horror novel. I think instead of concentrating so much on how much a disc holds or how good the graphics are they should focus on coming up with new innovative ways to use what we already have available, making great quality games, and games with high replay values. I agree though blueray will eventually become the standard media of choice, the potential is there.

the Game Market is stagnate a great game in this time and age is like a golden needle in a haystack as if the silver needle wasn't hard enough to find.

Blue-ray can break that stagnation, if the BIG 5 would give there developers a longer leash.

A Developer is like any other Artist portraying there artistic talent on a digital canvas.

nobody rushed or set rules on Leonardo da Vinci's World renown Painting.

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And so that if falls into place and we must come to reality that we will never see 25GB of texture's 15GB of dialog's and 5GB of just plain bad ass weaponry even if its not real :(

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You know i feel you on that. But the truth be told it doesnot matter how much they are able to put onto a disc. It doesnot make a game better in the end. Just my opinion but Bioshock probably has one of the best story lines i have ever had a chance to experience on a game. I encouraged friends to play it and most of them were blown away with the storyline and how it was truely like playing a horror novel. I think instead of concentrating so much on how much a disc holds or how good the graphics are they should focus on coming up with new innovative ways to use what we already have available, making great quality games, and games with high replay values. I agree though blueray will eventually become the standard media of choice, the potential is there.

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Bioshock 2 is coming out soon, It'll be good to play as the strongest big daddy. Hopefully bioshock 2 is better than fallout 3.

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Not much of a selection there ~ 3 shooters & an Action RPG. Personally I prefer a broader range of exclusives like

Killzone 2
Heavy Rain
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Final Fantasy XIV
Infamous
God of War 3
MAG
ICO Team Game
Eye Pet
PIXEL JUNK DUNGEON
DC Universe Online
The Agency
Free Realms
Aion Tower Of Eternity
Eyedentify
Uncharted 2
Yakuza 3
Afrika
Aquatopia
L.A. Noire
Gran Turismo 5
Metal Gear Solid 4
LittleBigPlanet
Motorstorm Games
Resistance Games
Heavenly Sword
Ratchet & Clank Games
Warhawk and successive titles
Socom titles
WipEout HD

or others like

Demon's Soul
White Knight Chronicles
Quantum theory
Folklore

Just to name a few...........

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Not much of a selection there. Personally I prefer a broader range of exclusives like

'Splosion Man
1 vs 100 (Xbox 360)
1XR
Absolute: Blazing Infinity
Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation
Aegis Wing
America's Army: True Soldiers
Amped 3
Apocalypse: Desire Next
Assault Heroes 2
Axiom: Overdrive
Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts
Bankshot Billiards 2
Basement Pool
Battlezone (XBLA)
Beat'n Groovy
Beautiful Katamari
Blue Dragon
Blue Dragon 2
Bomberman Live
Crackdown
Crackdown 2
Crazy Mouse
Culdcept Saga
Dance Dance Revolution Universe
Dance Dance Revolution Universe 2
Dance Dance Revolution Universe 3
Dance Dance Revolution Universe 3 Chinese Music Special Edition
Dancing Stage Universe
Dancing Stage Universe 2
Dash of Destruction
Dead or Alive: Code Chronos
Dead Rising
Dead or Alive 4
Dead or Alive Xtreme 2
DeathSmiles
Demons of Mercy
Diario: Rebirth Moon Legend
The Dimitri Project
The Dishwasher: Dead Samurai
Double D Dodgeball
Earth Defense Force 2017
Every Extend Extra Extreme
Every Party
F.E.A.R. Files
Fable II
Fable II Pub Games
Forza Motorsport 2
Forza Motorsport 3

or others like

Omega Five
Onechanbara: Bikini Samurai Squad
Operation Darkness
The Outfit (video game)
Over G Fighters
Pac-Man Championship Edition
Perfect Dark Zero
Pinball FX
Poker Smash
Project Gotham Racing 3
Project Gotham Racing 4
Project Sylpheed
Quarrel (video game)
Race Pro
Raiden Fighters Aces
Raiden IV
Raskulls
Ridge Racer 6
Rocket Riot
Rocky and Bullwinkle (video game)
Rumble Roses XX
Saints Row (video game)
Samurai Shodown: Edge of Destiny
Scene It? Box Office Smash
Scene It? Lights, Camera, Action
Schizoid (video game)
Screwjumper!
Shadow Assault: Tenchu
Shadow Complex
Shed (videogame)
Shred Nebula


Just to name a few........... to see the whole list go here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_exclusives

(Sorry for the really long post, I guess xbox 360 just has too many exclusive games... seriously, don't compare the 360's games to the ps3's, you won't like it).

@ Morreale
Left 4 dead, gears of war and fable 2 have been voted GOTY (game of the year, if you don't understand), halo 1 has sold 6.4 million copies: halo 2 - 8 million; halo 3 - 8.1 million; halo wars - 1.32 million. You say they are "sh!t"... have you ever played any one of those games???

Way to go! Post OLD stuff with a minor handful of somewhat new stuff compared to my CURRENT and UPCOMING list. Nice...real nice, but whatever....Fact is Sony has about 5-6x the amount of inhouse exclusive devs over MS and about 2-3x MS & Nintendo combined. You can post all the old games you want but what matters is what is coming up and NO COMPANY can match Sony's lineup hands down....

Edit: I have to add that your exclusive wiki list shows 170 titles for the 360 yet the PS3 wiki shows 156...so MS had a year head start and only have 14 more titles to show for it? Actually I have to say Thanx for that link it helps me quite a bit.

I have all 3 consoles as well. Regardless of having to pay for xbox live (GOLD), I would much rather play online through xbox than through PSN. There just is no comparison.

I like the PS3 for quick internet access, to play movies and only for PS3 exclusive games (not too many right now). If a game is released on all platforms, then I tend to buy it for the 360. I like them all in there own way, but being a gamer first, I prefer the 360 controller & xbox experience more.

One final note, the only reason the xbox 360 has been out on the market longer than the ps3 is due to the ps3 continually failing to get off the starting blocks for almost a whole year. From the ps3 release date to the present, there really only a few great games for it (killzone 2, Resistance 1&2 & uncharted). I'm waiting patiently though.

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One final note, the only reason the xbox 360 has been out on the market longer than the ps3 is due to the ps3 continually failing to get off the starting blocks for almost a whole year.

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Likewise, Microsoft’s strategy depended on beating its rivals to market. It couldn’t afford to stop and delay the launch in order to solve its quality problems, or so upper management believed. What Microsoft’s leaders didn’t realize was that getting to market first with a flawed machine would only win them a battle; and it risked the loss of the war.

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MS was so focused on beating Sony this cycle that the 360 was rushed to market when all indications were that it had serious flaws. The design qual testing was insufficient and incomplete when the product was released to production.

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If you want a very good read look over this PDF for more.

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One final note, the only reason the xbox 360 has been out on the market longer than the ps3 is due to the ps3 continually failing to get off the starting blocks for almost a whole year.

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Likewise, Microsoft’s strategy depended on beating its rivals to market. It couldn’t afford to stop and delay the launch in order to solve its quality problems, or so upper management believed. What Microsoft’s leaders didn’t realize was that getting to market first with a flawed machine would only win them a battle; and it risked the loss of the war.

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MS was so focused on beating Sony this cycle that the 360 was rushed to market when all indications were that it had serious flaws. The design qual testing was insufficient and incomplete when the product was released to production.

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Ummm, that doesn't say anything about how Sony had to delay there release... you just changed the subject. PS3 was due to be released in March, but it didn't come out until November and as late as March the following year in some countries. Now tell me how he is wrong. Personally, I believe ps should be kicking 360's ass, seeing though it had almost an extra year to prepare.

Xbox isn't the only console to have flaws, wii has a serious malfunction in some units memory. And ps also has a serious yellow ring of death, which is not covered by Sony. I would rather have an xbox 360 that got rrod (and covered by three year warranty) than a ps3 with no warranty and had to pay $300 to fix. Anyway ms fixed the design flaw that caused the 3 rrod, no units that were sold after december 08 have the problem... and you say I'm bringing up old news.

With the games, xbox has way better games than ps, anybody who has played halo 3 online would agree.

Only reason why you don't get a 3 year warrenty with a PS3 because it isn't expected to break lmao

Oh, and Halo 3 was the worst of the Halo series so if that's the best game...... No.

Originally posted by Morreale:

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Only reason why you don't get a 3 year warrenty with a PS3 because it isn't expected to break lmao

Oh, and Halo 3 was the worst of the Halo series so if that's the best game...... No.

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It's like buying a new car: you have narrowed it down to two cars, they are basically the same appearance, horsepower, same safety rating, similar economy etc. Except one is far cheaper and comes with a full warranty because some of the older models malfunctioned (that is now fixed). The other car has no warranty, but still has a large possibility of breaking down (the cost to repair almost its entire value). I know which one I would be buying.

Who told you that... have you even played the halo series? Anybody that has played halo knows that halo 2 is the worst. Halo 3 reguarly has 200k+ people online at one time... that's probably more than the entire psn.

Who cares how many players a game has online. If the game is crap, its crap regardless.

Halo 1 was by far the best, Halo 2 I thought the online was actually more fun at the time, Halo 3 just didn't bring anything new to the table except for hype. I just don't think it was a good game to end the series with. My friends also feel the same way.

PS3 has never had "a large possibility of breaking down", if it does it's rare. I don't know anyone who has had a problem with their PS3s.

And wasn't there a news article recently here about PSN reaching 14 million active users?

Originally posted by Morreale:

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Who cares how many players a game has online. If the game is crap, its crap regardless.

Halo 1 was by far the best, Halo 2 I thought the online was actually more fun at the time, Halo 3 just didn't bring anything new to the table except for hype. I just don't think it was a good game to end the series with. My friends also feel the same way.

PS3 has never had "a large possibility of breaking down", if it does it's rare. I don't know anyone who has had a problem with their PS3s.

And wasn't there a news article recently here about PSN reaching 14 million active users?

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Xbox live has well over 20 million users... and it costs money to make an account. I bet out of that 14 million only about 8 million actually play, and the rest are just people making more than one free account. And if you had of read my post properly you would of understood that I meant more online at that time, not total.

Yeah, halo 3 didn't bring anything new to the table, except scarabs, the flood, elites switching sides, new weapons... not anything at all. Oh, and I don't know what you don't understand about this, but 200k+ people wouldn't be playing a game if it was "crap".

Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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Originally posted by codemoe:

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One final note, the only reason the xbox 360 has been out on the market longer than the ps3 is due to the ps3 continually failing to get off the starting blocks for almost a whole year.

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Likewise, Microsoft’s strategy depended on beating its rivals to market. It couldn’t afford to stop and delay the launch in order to solve its quality problems, or so upper management believed. What Microsoft’s leaders didn’t realize was that getting to market first with a flawed machine would only win them a battle; and it risked the loss of the war.

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MS was so focused on beating Sony this cycle that the 360 was rushed to market when all indications were that it had serious flaws. The design qual testing was insufficient and incomplete when the product was released to production.

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Ummm, that doesn't say anything about how Sony had to delay there release... you just changed the subject. PS3 was due to be released in March, but it didn't come out until November and as late as March the following year in some countries. Now tell me how he is wrong. Personally, I believe ps should be kicking 360's ass, seeing though it had almost an extra year to prepare.

Xbox isn't the only console to have flaws, wii has a serious malfunction in some units memory. And ps also has a serious yellow ring of death, which is not covered by Sony. I would rather have an xbox 360 that got rrod (and covered by three year warranty) than a ps3 with no warranty and had to pay $300 to fix. Anyway ms fixed the design flaw that caused the 3 rrod, no units that were sold after december 08 have the problem... and you say I'm bringing up old news.

With the games, xbox has way better games than ps, anybody who has played halo 3 online would agree.

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The only person to change the subject and avoid other questions here is you, because I sure don't see a reply to your old "exclusive" game list anywhere...plus I was discussing the release of the 360 vs the PS3 with another member (remember there are more people on aD than just you and it's not very hard to have multiple conversations with people online). So while you give your opinion based informaiton, I'll stick with my facts, links & proof...I think industry professionals have a bit more credibility than you. Especially when you think the YLOD is not covered by Sony (when it is) or when you say it cost $300 dollars (it's only $150) to fix outside of the industry standard warranty of 1 year for most electronics (just like the Wii as well).

Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Morreale:

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Only reason why you don't get a 3 year warrenty with a PS3 because it isn't expected to break lmao

Oh, and Halo 3 was the worst of the Halo series so if that's the best game...... No.

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It's like buying a new car: you have narrowed it down to two cars, they are basically the same appearance, horsepower, same safety rating, similar economy etc. Except one is far cheaper and comes with a full warranty because some of the older models malfunctioned (that is now fixed). The other car has no warranty, but still has a large possibility of breaking down (the cost to repair almost its entire value). I know which one I would be buying.

Who told you that... have you even played the halo series? Anybody that has played halo knows that halo 2 is the worst. Halo 3 reguarly has 200k+ people online at one time... that's probably more than the entire psn.

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The supposed car that you think has been "fixed" still has the same issue just covered up to make idiots believe it is something new, different or not the same problem (3 Red Lights is the same as 1 Red Light no matter how MS try to hide it, it's STILL a failure). I would rather have something that WORKS and doesn't NEED to rely on a warranty, because...well, it just WORKS. Plus no matter how you slice it, the Wii & PS3 failure rate is within or below industry standards while the 360 is ABSOLUTELY not. This is just fact, not opinion nor assumption as well.

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Halo 3 reguarly has 200k+ people online at one time... that's probably more than the entire psn.

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If you honestly believe that then I (along with others) are really just wasting time trying to have a discussion because that's seriously a childish comment. It's not worth the aggravation nor hassle to get into an argument.

Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Morreale:

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Who cares how many players a game has online. If the game is crap, its crap regardless.

Halo 1 was by far the best, Halo 2 I thought the online was actually more fun at the time, Halo 3 just didn't bring anything new to the table except for hype. I just don't think it was a good game to end the series with. My friends also feel the same way.

PS3 has never had "a large possibility of breaking down", if it does it's rare. I don't know anyone who has had a problem with their PS3s.

And wasn't there a news article recently here about PSN reaching 14 million active users?

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Xbox live has well over 20 million users... and it costs money to make an account. I bet out of that 14 million only about 8 million actually play, and the rest are just people making more than one free account. And if you had of read my post properly you would of understood that I meant more online at that time, not total.

Yeah, halo 3 didn't bring anything new to the table, except scarabs, the flood, elites switching sides, new weapons... not anything at all. Oh, and I don't know what you don't understand about this, but 200k+ people wouldn't be playing a game if it was "crap".

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Again your "betting only 8 Million play out of 14 Million" is not based on facts or truth but only opinion. Once again, I would rather take industry professionals information over some random poster on a forum ranting about Halo being the be all end all of FPS and games altogether it seems.

@ Morreale ~ I absolutely agree when you say "Who cares how many players a game has online. If the game is crap, its crap regardless." Killzone 2 is well within that comment along with WiiPlay (because good sales does not always equate to a quality title).

Originally posted by Oner:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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Originally posted by codemoe:

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One final note, the only reason the xbox 360 has been out on the market longer than the ps3 is due to the ps3 continually failing to get off the starting blocks for almost a whole year.

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Likewise, Microsoft’s strategy depended on beating its rivals to market. It couldn’t afford to stop and delay the launch in order to solve its quality problems, or so upper management believed. What Microsoft’s leaders didn’t realize was that getting to market first with a flawed machine would only win them a battle; and it risked the loss of the war.

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MS was so focused on beating Sony this cycle that the 360 was rushed to market when all indications were that it had serious flaws. The design qual testing was insufficient and incomplete when the product was released to production.

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If you want a very good read look over this PDF for more.

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Ummm, that doesn't say anything about how Sony had to delay there release... you just changed the subject. PS3 was due to be released in March, but it didn't come out until November and as late as March the following year in some countries. Now tell me how he is wrong. Personally, I believe ps should be kicking 360's ass, seeing though it had almost an extra year to prepare.

Xbox isn't the only console to have flaws, wii has a serious malfunction in some units memory. And ps also has a serious yellow ring of death, which is not covered by Sony. I would rather have an xbox 360 that got rrod (and covered by three year warranty) than a ps3 with no warranty and had to pay $300 to fix. Anyway ms fixed the design flaw that caused the 3 rrod, no units that were sold after december 08 have the problem... and you say I'm bringing up old news.

With the games, xbox has way better games than ps, anybody who has played halo 3 online would agree.

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The only person to change the subject and avoid other questions here is you, because I sure don't see a reply to your old "exclusive" game list anywhere...plus I was discussing the release of the 360 vs the PS3 with another member (remember there are more people on aD than just you and it's not very hard to have multiple conversations with people online). So while you give your opinion based informaiton, I'll stick with my facts, links & proof...I think industry professionals have a bit more credibility than you. Especially when you think the YLOD is not covered by Sony (when it is) or when you say it cost $300 dollars (it's only $150) to fix outside of the industry standard warranty of 1 year for most electronics (just like the Wii as well).

Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Morreale:

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Only reason why you don't get a 3 year warrenty with a PS3 because it isn't expected to break lmao

Oh, and Halo 3 was the worst of the Halo series so if that's the best game...... No.

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It's like buying a new car: you have narrowed it down to two cars, they are basically the same appearance, horsepower, same safety rating, similar economy etc. Except one is far cheaper and comes with a full warranty because some of the older models malfunctioned (that is now fixed). The other car has no warranty, but still has a large possibility of breaking down (the cost to repair almost its entire value). I know which one I would be buying.

Who told you that... have you even played the halo series? Anybody that has played halo knows that halo 2 is the worst. Halo 3 reguarly has 200k+ people online at one time... that's probably more than the entire psn.

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The supposed car that you think has been "fixed" still has the same issue just covered up to make idiots believe it is something new, different or not the same problem (3 Red Lights is the same as 1 Red Light no matter how MS try to hide it, it's STILL a failure). I would rather have something that WORKS and doesn't NEED to rely on a warranty, because...well, it just WORKS. Plus no matter how you slice it, the Wii & PS3 failure rate is within or below industry standards while the 360 is ABSOLUTELY not. This is just fact, not opinion nor assumption as well.

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Halo 3 reguarly has 200k+ people online at one time... that's probably more than the entire psn.

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If you honestly believe that then I (along with others) are really just wasting time trying to have a discussion because that's seriously a childish comment. It's not worth the aggravation nor hassle to get into an argument.

Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Morreale:

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Who cares how many players a game has online. If the game is crap, its crap regardless.

Halo 1 was by far the best, Halo 2 I thought the online was actually more fun at the time, Halo 3 just didn't bring anything new to the table except for hype. I just don't think it was a good game to end the series with. My friends also feel the same way.

PS3 has never had "a large possibility of breaking down", if it does it's rare. I don't know anyone who has had a problem with their PS3s.

And wasn't there a news article recently here about PSN reaching 14 million active users?

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Xbox live has well over 20 million users... and it costs money to make an account. I bet out of that 14 million only about 8 million actually play, and the rest are just people making more than one free account. And if you had of read my post properly you would of understood that I meant more online at that time, not total.

Yeah, halo 3 didn't bring anything new to the table, except scarabs, the flood, elites switching sides, new weapons... not anything at all. Oh, and I don't know what you don't understand about this, but 200k+ people wouldn't be playing a game if it was "crap".

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Again your "betting only 8 Million play out of 14 Million" is not based on facts or truth but only opinion. Once again, I would rather take industry professionals information over some random poster on a forum ranting about Halo being the be all end all of FPS and games altogether it seems.

@ Morreale ~ I absolutely agree when you say "Who cares how many players a game has online. If the game is crap, its crap regardless." Killzone 2 is well within that comment along with WiiPlay (because good sales does not always equate to a quality title).

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Okay, I don't know why don't understand this. MS released a new chipset called Jasper it eliminated the rrod completely. If you knew anything about the 360's design you would know that ms admitted the 3 rrod failure to be caused by a design flaw in the x-clamps... 99% of 3 rrod were caused by this.

That source 2 article was from Jan 2008, and you say I'm using old information. And I seriously doubt he works for ms, he claims to of invented the wii... to me that whole interview seems like a 13 y/o ps3 fanboy questioning himself. What industry professional (name one, don't link to an article questioning anonymous people) have you got information from?

This brings me back to the same question, morreale and oner, have you ever played xbox live? And have you played the halo series, left 4 dead (best horror game ever, rivalled only by bioshock, fear, RE), halo wars, gears of war?

Oh, and with the games "changing subject", I don't have time to argue with every loser, I have a life, I'm not on the computer 24/7. Btw, tell me why you think "That's not correct information"... you keep diverting the blame to me, atleast tell my why you are denying when ps3 wad scheduled to be released.

I have a Jasper 360 but I still don't trust it. That's 360's reputation. It's too late for M$ to change that image.

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I have a Jasper 360 but I still don't trust it. That's 360's reputation. It's too late for M$ to change that image.

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That's why ms has a 3 year rrod warranty, because even though they know they won't fail, they're issuing peace of mind. It's no different from home insurrance, even though there's a small chance your house will burn down, you still pay thousands a year, just incase.

Wait until 2015 when the next gen consoles are released, you will see which consoles has sold the most, then try saying xbox 360 is a piece of junk.

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"This brings me back to the same question, morreale and oner, have you ever played xbox live? And have you played the halo series, left 4 dead (best horror game ever, rivalled only by bioshock, fear, RE), halo wars, gears of war?"

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Usually when I post in a topic, everyone seems to cease posting. Don't know if I'm saying something to shut everyone up but I couldn't help but argue against your point.

Halo 1 was the ONLY good game out of the series. Play Halo 2, clunky, dumbed down, made for morons version. Played Halo 3, slightly improves on the disaster that was Halo 2 but still clunky and no where near as fun as the first. Halo Wars in an RTS. I'm not a fan, but seeing as it was made by Ensemble Studios (Age of Empires series) it might be good... on the PC.

L4D shouldn't have even come out on consoles. It should have stayed a PC exclusive as that's where all of Valve's games belong. I couldn't see myself playing any of the Half-Life's on anything but a PC.

Gears of War... wow, what a generic and buggy game. Buggy on the PC only, but that doesn't stop the game from being a generic and boring shooter. Right, and out of all the games you mentioned, only four of them are exclusive to the 360. That's just Halo 3, Halo Wars, Gears of War 2, and Fable 2. The rest are on the PC or elsewhere.

PC+PS3=Perfect gaming combo. There really is no need for a 360 if you've got that sort of set up. Plus, I'd rather not dangle with the hardware failure of the 360. YLOD my a**, out of the eight people I know with PS3's, none of them have had a single problem with their system. Two people I know have had their console's since launch day. It's also only $150 for repair, not your over exaggerated "estimate" of $300. So, you gonna try and convert me to the all holy "360 faith"?

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I have a Jasper 360 but I still don't trust it. That's 360's reputation. It's too late for M$ to change that image.

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I agree with you on not trusting the consoles as it is a thought in the back of my mind at times but knock on wood mine is still going strong heading into a 3rd year. Honestly i was think exactly the same thought when Sony said the PS3 was so much more powerful than the xbox360. Sony has a reputation to stretch the truth when talking about what their console is capable of. I am not ruling out they may be right but their is no game that graphically couldnot be reproduced on the Xbox360. Microsoft has said they have some titles TBR that rival or even beat Metal Gear Solid and any other game produced to date on the PS3. So as of now neither console has proven to be the more powerful of the two. I am not saying PS3 wont be in the end though.

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@ Morreale ~ I absolutely agree when you say "Who cares how many players a game has online. If the game is crap, its crap regardless." Killzone 2 is well within that comment along with WiiPlay (because good sales does not always equate to a quality title).

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I am not speaking on the number or players playing online but if a game has great reviews from every website, and magazine article i have read and the rating for a game like Killzone 2 is consistent wherever you look, and with almost every single person who has played it, I would hardly call it crap. I myself have never even played Killzone 1 or 2 nor do i own a PS3 but if i had to bet my money that if approximately 90% of the gamers say its awesome then i am sure it is at least worth checking out. That is just logical reasoning. I have never played Halo 2 or 3 either and i doubt it is crap either. The game may not be your cup of tea and i think you guys are running off a little with all the criticism of some pretty solid games not to mention Killzone 2 was the first game that came to your mind when you made your list ONER so is it really that bad that is was on your mind. I bought GTA for xbox360 and sold it after a 2 weeks of playing just b/c i was burned out after San Andreas but that doesnot make the game crap. Everyone has their opinions but... oh well ....all i am saying is at least try to keep an open mind.

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"This brings me back to the same question, morreale and oner, have you ever played xbox live? And have you played the halo series, left 4 dead (best horror game ever, rivalled only by bioshock, fear, RE), halo wars, gears of war?"

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Usually when I post in a topic, everyone seems to cease posting. Don't know if I'm saying something to shut everyone up but I couldn't help but argue against your point.

Halo 1 was the ONLY good game out of the series. Play Halo 2, clunky, dumbed down, made for morons version. Played Halo 3, slightly improves on the disaster that was Halo 2 but still clunky and no where near as fun as the first. Halo Wars in an RTS. I'm not a fan, but seeing as it was made by Ensemble Studios (Age of Empires series) it might be good... on the PC.

L4D shouldn't have even come out on consoles. It should have stayed a PC exclusive as that's where all of Valve's games belong. I couldn't see myself playing any of the Half-Life's on anything but a PC.

Gears of War... wow, what a generic and buggy game. Buggy on the PC only, but that doesn't stop the game from being a generic and boring shooter. Right, and out of all the games you mentioned, only four of them are exclusive to the 360. That's just Halo 3, Halo Wars, Gears of War 2, and Fable 2. The rest are on the PC or elsewhere.

PC+PS3=Perfect gaming combo. There really is no need for a 360 if you've got that sort of set up. Plus, I'd rather not dangle with the hardware failure of the 360. YLOD my a**, out of the eight people I know with PS3's, none of them have had a single problem with their system. Two people I know have had their console's since launch day. It's also only $150 for repair, not your over exaggerated "estimate" of $300. So, you gonna try and convert me to the all holy "360 faith"?

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Again, you have never played most of those games on 360, you're comparing pc to 360. The halo series were all made for 360 (except for ce). You're diverting from the fact that ps3 doesn't have any of those games... who cares if pc has them, last time I checked most pc's run on ms software, not sony. It is PC+360=Perfect combo gaming combo. Btw, tell me how halo 3 is clunky. L4D is a console exclusive, ps doesn't have it, sony doesn't own pc, so why did you even mention pc in a console discussion?

Basically what you're saying is two devices (not made by the same company) are better than one. One may be shit, but the other one is a $2000 machine 35 years in the making... you're depicting them being bundled together.

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PC+PS3=Perfect gaming combo. There really is no need for a 360 if you've got that sort of set up. Plus, I'd rather not dangle with the hardware failure of the 360. YLOD my a**, out of the eight people I know with PS3's, none of them have had a single problem with their system. Two people I know have had their console's since launch day. It's also only $150 for repair, not your over exaggerated "estimate" of $300. So, you gonna try and convert me to the all holy "360 faith"?

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Well PS3 + PC can also be equal to the two least played gaming consoles(FACT) and not to mention PS3 still carries the lowest game to console attach rate. LOL i dont know what the next guy is preaching but i will try to convert you to play any game that is fun regardless of what console it is on. I do also remeber reading that a lot of games may not be release on PC in the future on will only be available for the Xbox360 so you may be selling youself short if you keep that mindset b/c PC piracy is really becoming a big issue.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56285

Now if you want to be loyal to any of these consoles. PS3, Xbox360 or PC(even though it is not a gaming console)that is your right to sell yourself short on a gaming experience. I dont discriminate with any of them, all have Pros and Cons and i will enjoy them all when PS3 lowers their price.

Becoming a PS3 gamer $399. Experiencing the Wii $249. Enjoying xbox360 $199 Being in this for the games...................Priceless

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PC+PS3=Perfect gaming combo. There really is no need for a 360 if you've got that sort of set up. Plus, I'd rather not dangle with the hardware failure of the 360. YLOD my a**, out of the eight people I know with PS3's, none of them have had a single problem with their system. Two people I know have had their console's since launch day. It's also only $150 for repair, not your over exaggerated "estimate" of $300. So, you gonna try and convert me to the all holy "360 faith"?

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LOL i dont know what the next guy is preaching but i will try to convert you to play any game that is fun regardless of what console it is on. I do also remeber reading that a lot of games may not be release on PC in the future on will only be available for the Xbox360 so you may be selling youself short if you keep that mindset b/c PC piracy is really becoming a big issue.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56285

Now if you want to be loyal to any of these consoles. PS3, Xbox360 or PC(even though it is not a gaming console)that is your right to sell yourself short on a gaming experience. I dont discriminate with any of them, all have Pros and Cons and i will enjoy them all when PS3 lowers their price.

Becoming a PS3 gamer $399. Experiencing the Wii $249. Enjoying xbox360 $199 Being in this for the games...................Priceless

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piracy is just as big if not bigger on The 360, given with the wits
you can have a free online game and play on secure servers. you cant do that on a PC.

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I know it exist and have done my share and probably will continue in the future but i dont see any articles, sites posting or anything else to prove that as fact. My friend has a modded xbox360 and i admit i didnot buy many PS2 games back in the day. Please post link to verify. PC gaming piracy articles can be found a dime a dozen as some can be found right here on AD.

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Again, you have never played most of those games on 360, you're comparing pc to 360. The halo series were all made for 360 (except for ce). You're diverting from the fact that ps3 doesn't have any of those games... who cares if pc has them, last time I checked most pc's run on ms software, not sony. It is PC+360=Perfect combo gaming combo. Btw, tell me how halo 3 is clunky. L4D is a console exclusive, ps doesn't have it, sony doesn't own pc, so why did you even mention pc in a console discussion?

Basically what you're saying is two devices (not made by the same company) are better than one. One may be shit, but the other one is a $2000 machine 35 years in the making... you're depicting them being bundled together.

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I have played most of the games you mentioned on the 360, I'm not a moron when I don't mention it. No they were not made for the 360, they were intended for a computer platform and made their way to the original Xbox, followed by the 360. The PS3 doesn't have them, the PC does. I would like to play a few 360 console exclusives such as Fable II but I'm waiting for the price of the 360 to come down to $150 (even if it is the Arcade) to contemplate for any problems I may have with the hardware. Play Halo 1, then play Halo 3... if you don't find it clunkier aka. heavier feel to the movements and other aspects, I couldn't care less. It's my complaint, so my apologies if you were affected by my opinion. No sh*t Sony doesn't "own" the PC. The PC isn't a closed system, it's not a fully proprietary piece of hardware. The PC, though, is the best gaming platform for the endless customization towards games.

If I seemed to be "depicting" the PS3 and the PC as a bundled set up, then my fullest condolences go out to you. I'll be more specific. The PS3 has exclusives that will never make their way to the PC or the 360. I happen to like those exclusives from my experience of playing them on previous PS consoles. As lxhotboy mentions, 360 exclusives may not make their way to the PC, so I was a bit quick to judge which is why I've been contemplating on getting a 360 for a cheap price since that claim was made by Microsoft. Though for the majority of exclusives that have made their way to the PC, I'm more than satisfied at the moment. My PC can play pretty much all games I have at nearly high to highest possible IQ settings. It's a mixture of my old PC with new parts. The new parts totaled an approximate value of $560. Yes they were expensive compared to the 360's $299 (average bundle) but the last time I fully upgraded my PC was in 2004, for $820 at the time. Again, your laughable $2000 monster octo-core tri-sli PC is not needed and is a very high estimate for a standard gaming PC.

And lxhotboy, I'm all for putting fun games before hardware. But one has to think about what types of games they're wanting to play and what hardware it's available for. I'm not gonna say "screw it, I'm gonna spend $200 today on a 360 for one game I want". I like to manage what I get and not just get a bunch of crap every 6 months. I'm not selling my self short on a gaming experience when I'm satisfied with what I have. I've played games on the Wii and 360 and I'm not compelled on wasting all my income on hundreds of useless products that I'm probably gonna spend 1 hour a month on. If you have hundreds of dollars to spend every week, well that's great. It's your money and you can spend it on all the things you want that you see fit. But when someone literally says that I'm an idiot because I wasted money on something one person thinks is crap (^^^), I get idea that they don't follow your type of ideology about gaming. That's pretty much the only reason I ended off with the whole "360 faith" thing. It works all ways, so sorry for not being more specific.

And yes DXR88, piracy is rampant among almost all consoles since the PS1. Ironically, the PS3 is the only console that doesn't have an issue with piracy. You need an authentic serial/cd-key to play most PC games online whereas all you need for a 360 is firmware like iXtreme and a patching utility for your game images before they're burnt called ABGX 360. Pop in your disc and you're ready to play the game as if you bought it, online and everything. Though I don't quite think it's as big as piracy on the PC. See Demigod as an example in this article (number 9).

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And lxhotboy, I'm all for putting fun games before hardware. But one has to think about what types of games they're wanting to play and what hardware it's available for. I'm not gonna say "screw it, I'm gonna spend $200 today on a 360 for one game I want". I like to manage what I get and not just get a bunch of crap every 6 months. I'm not selling my self short on a gaming experience when I'm satisfied with what I have. I've played games on the Wii and 360 and I'm not compelled on wasting all my income on hundreds of useless products that I'm probably gonna spend 1 hour a month on. If you have hundreds of dollars to spend every week, well that's great. It's your money and you can spend it on all the things you want that you see fit. But when someone literally says that I'm an idiot because I wasted money on something one person thinks is crap (^^^), I get idea that they don't follow your type of ideology about gaming. That's pretty much the only reason I ended off with the whole "360 faith" thing. It works all ways, so sorry for not being more specific.

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My bad. I can understand that and gaming consoles can get expensive. I am budgeting also with 2 small kids, a wife and myself who both are working full time and are also attending school fulltime so my time and money are things i have to manage very carefully right now. If you love to game and budgeting is an option then you should get a 360 and make your own............cough cough.....Well i think you know what i meant. It may save you a lot of presidents in the long run for games that are available only on PS3 and Xbox360. My father-in-law said he is a homosexual......He likes all the men who have their faces on the dollar bills in US. LOL.....I like to hold on to my duckets as well.

Cant wait for PS3 to drop this price.

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Again, you have never played most of those games on 360, you're comparing pc to 360. The halo series were all made for 360 (except for ce). You're diverting from the fact that ps3 doesn't have any of those games... who cares if pc has them, last time I checked most pc's run on ms software, not sony. It is PC+360=Perfect combo gaming combo. Btw, tell me how halo 3 is clunky. L4D is a console exclusive, ps doesn't have it, sony doesn't own pc, so why did you even mention pc in a console discussion?

Basically what you're saying is two devices (not made by the same company) are better than one. One may be shit, but the other one is a $2000 machine 35 years in the making... you're depicting them being bundled together.

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I have played most of the games you mentioned on the 360, I'm not a moron when I don't mention it. No they were not made for the 360, they were intended for a computer platform and made their way to the original Xbox, followed by the 360. The PS3 doesn't have them, the PC does. I would like to play a few 360 console exclusives such as Fable II but I'm waiting for the price of the 360 to come down to $150 (even if it is the Arcade) to contemplate for any problems I may have with the hardware. Play Halo 1, then play Halo 3... if you don't find it clunkier aka. heavier feel to the movements and other aspects, I couldn't care less. It's my complaint, so my apologies if you were affected by my opinion. No sh*t Sony doesn't "own" the PC. The PC isn't a closed system, it's not a fully proprietary piece of hardware. The PC, though, is the best gaming platform for the endless customization towards games.

If I seemed to be "depicting" the PS3 and the PC as a bundled set up, then my fullest condolences go out to you. I'll be more specific. The PS3 has exclusives that will never make their way to the PC or the 360. I happen to like those exclusives from my experience of playing them on previous PS consoles. As lxhotboy mentions, 360 exclusives may not make their way to the PC, so I was a bit quick to judge which is why I've been contemplating on getting a 360 for a cheap price since that claim was made by Microsoft. Though for the majority of exclusives that have made their way to the PC, I'm more than satisfied at the moment. My PC can play pretty much all games I have at nearly high to highest possible IQ settings. It's a mixture of my old PC with new parts. The new parts totaled an approximate value of $560. Yes they were expensive compared to the 360's $299 (average bundle) but the last time I fully upgraded my PC was in 2004, for $820 at the time. Again, your laughable $2000 monster octo-core tri-sli PC is not needed and is a very high estimate for a standard gaming PC.

And lxhotboy, I'm all for putting fun games before hardware. But one has to think about what types of games they're wanting to play and what hardware it's available for. I'm not gonna say "screw it, I'm gonna spend $200 today on a 360 for one game I want". I like to manage what I get and not just get a bunch of crap every 6 months. I'm not selling my self short on a gaming experience when I'm satisfied with what I have. I've played games on the Wii and 360 and I'm not compelled on wasting all my income on hundreds of useless products that I'm probably gonna spend 1 hour a month on. If you have hundreds of dollars to spend every week, well that's great. It's your money and you can spend it on all the things you want that you see fit. But when someone literally says that I'm an idiot because I wasted money on something one person thinks is crap (^^^), I get idea that they don't follow your type of ideology about gaming. That's pretty much the only reason I ended off with the whole "360 faith" thing. It works all ways, so sorry for not being more specific.

And yes DXR88, piracy is rampant among almost all consoles since the PS1. Ironically, the PS3 is the only console that doesn't have an issue with piracy. You need an authentic serial/cd-key to play most PC games online whereas all you need for a 360 is firmware like iXtreme and a patching utility for your game images before they're burnt called ABGX 360. Pop in your disc and you're ready to play the game as if you bought it, online and everything. Though I don't quite think it's as big as piracy on the PC. See Demigod as an example in this article (number 9).

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Okay, I respect that, halo was orginally planned to be released on mac, but xbox bought a large share in bungie and most of the design was intended for xbox. Halo was also intended to be an rts.

Btw I don't know what the big issue with game piracy is about. MS/Sony/Nintendo make billions of dollars a year, a few thousand people not buying 4-5 games a year isn't going to impact on their profit margin.

If anyone is in the market for a PS3, I have a promo code from Newegg. $359 for the 80GB and free shipping. Plus no sales tax. That's just a little more than what it would cost in-store with a $100 price cut. The promo is good until July 8th. I'll give it to anyone who PM's me for it. Don't know how it works, but give it a shot in your shopping cart and see if it takes.

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If anyone is in the market for a PS3, I have a promo code from Newegg. $359 for the 80GB and free shipping. Plus no sales tax. That's just a little more than what it would cost in-store with a $100 price cut. The promo is good until July 8th. I'll give it to anyone who PM's me for it. Don't know how it works, but give it a shot in your shopping cart and see if it takes.

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I was totally about to post that, Woo Newegg and price cut irony...

Yeah, a sale like that adds validity to the expected Fall price cuts. Can't beat the egg!

Originally posted by emugamer:

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Yeah, a sale like that adds validity to the expected Fall price cuts. Can't beat the egg!

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In soviet russia, Egg beats You.

Originally posted by chris4160:

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Okay, I don't know why don't understand this. MS released a new chipset called Jasper it eliminated the rrod completely. If you knew anything about the 360's design you would know that ms admitted the 3 rrod failure to be caused by a design flaw in the x-clamps... 99% of 3 rrod were caused by this.

That source 2 article was from Jan 2008, and you say I'm using old information. And I seriously doubt he works for ms, he claims to of invented the wii... to me that whole interview seems like a 13 y/o ps3 fanboy questioning himself. What industry professional (name one, don't link to an article questioning anonymous people) have you got information from?

This brings me back to the same question, morreale and oner, have you ever played xbox live? And have you played the halo series, left 4 dead (best horror game ever, rivalled only by bioshock, fear, RE), halo wars, gears of war?

Oh, and with the games "changing subject", I don't have time to argue with every loser, I have a life, I'm not on the computer 24/7. Btw, tell me why you think "That's not correct information"... you keep diverting the blame to me, atleast tell my why you are denying when ps3 wad scheduled to be released.

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LoL! Are you honestly saying I don't know anything about the Xbox 360's design or have experience with Xbox LIVE or it's games!?!? That has to be one of the funniest damned things I have EVER heard! I think you need to go back a few pages and re-read some posts there guy...but anyway ~ First of all you got it all wrong, it's not the design of the Xclamps that causes the failure it's the damned cheap solder combined with the rushed & overall poor design of the 360 that causes the failure ALONG with the Xclamps....I should know I just fixed my launch day 360 for the 4th damned time just last week! Also if it's not based off a soldering problem then why do you have to re-heat/overheat the Xbox to make the connections work after an Xclamp mod 99% of the time?

Anyway, you want one industry professional? Sure, no problem. How about Microsoft THEMSELVES admitting that EVERY 360 sold in the first 19 months where defective? Only for them to have to extend the 3 year warranty INCLUDING Jaspers for an additional 3 years just a few months ago under inherent pressure from being sued with another class action suit. Oh and just for good measure here is a WiKi quote that supports my "anonymous people's information" that you questioned ~

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A source that has been identified as a team leader and key architect in the creation of the Xbox and Xbox 360 and a founding member of the Xbox team[13][14] provided insight as to the high rate of failures. The interviews suggest that Xbox 360 units that fail early in their life do so because of problems in the system design, parts supply, material reliability, and manufacturing issues as well as a system not tolerant to faults. These issues were alleged to be the end results of the decisions of management in Microsoft's Xbox team and inadequate testing resources prior to the console's release. A second source cited that, at one time, there was just a 32% yield of one of the test production runs. 68 of every 100 test units were found to be defective.

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But you have already set the preface of "its old information" to try and play it down (as you have with all the proof I have given so far & of which you dismiss and don't actually address). YET it is PROOF nonetheless. That is something you cannot deny, only try to divert the REAL facts I have given over your "opinion & conjecture". You haven't given any supportive evidence as of yet via links, documentation, proof or for that matter ANYTHING! So while you think I am the one changing subjects it's really you who has quite a few times already.

Oh and as far as your "Jasper it eliminated the rrod completely" comment, here's just 2 videos that disprove that "opinion" ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JxrbQFwdAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruv2QK2EGrU

If it totally eliminated it why do people still have the issue? Why would MS extend the warranty if there was no problem? You can't be at all serious...can you? All you have done is avoid certain questions I have brought up and since you can't "argue" with every "loser" why are you bothering then at all? Why not just post some verifiable facts to prove your point? To make what you say valid?

I don't know....people can say or believe what they like about me personally, but one thing is for damned sure, I give supporting verifiable facts when I give information out to solidify what I say/comment and that cannot be mistaken. EVER.

Lastly I will address the "when ps3 was scheduled to be released" question you asked. It was meant to come out earlier yes but not because they where trying to rush to market. They took their time to PROPERLY design something that has proven to be of better quality craftsmanship than it's competitors and offer MORE than basic off the shelf PC components. So while you still say I am denying or diverting something (when I have clearly at each time not) I will point this out again for a 2nd time ~ You never really addressed how you posted old "exclusives" over upcoming exclusives like I did....I wonder why?

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I have a Jasper 360 but I still don't trust it. That's 360's reputation. It's too late for M$ to change that image.

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That's why ms has a 3 year rrod warranty, because even though they know they won't fail, they're issuing peace of mind. It's no different from home insurrance, even though there's a small chance your house will burn down, you still pay thousands a year, just incase.

Wait until 2015 when the next gen consoles are released, you will see which consoles has sold the most, then try saying xbox 360 is a piece of junk.

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Nobody has to wait until 2015 to say the 360 is a piece of junk. They can say it right now. HARDWARE WISE it is absolutely appalling. Plus last I checked Nintendo had this gen in the bag currently. And I am actually sorry to say this, but if you actually believe what you said about "because even though they know they won't fail, they're issuing peace of mind" then WoW have they pulled the wool over your eyes! (and I have a bridge I want to sell you in Brooklyn if you're interested...)

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@ Morreale ~ I absolutely agree when you say "Who cares how many players a game has online. If the game is crap, its crap regardless." Killzone 2 is well within that comment along with WiiPlay (because good sales does not always equate to a quality title).

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I am not speaking on the number or players playing online but if a game has great reviews from every website, and magazine article i have read and the rating for a game like Killzone 2 is consistent wherever you look, and with almost every single person who has played it, I would hardly call it crap. I myself have never even played Killzone 1 or 2 nor do i own a PS3 but if i had to bet my money that if approximately 90% of the gamers say its awesome then i am sure it is at least worth checking out. That is just logical reasoning. I have never played Halo 2 or 3 either and i doubt it is crap either. The game may not be your cup of tea and i think you guys are running off a little with all the criticism of some pretty solid games not to mention Killzone 2 was the first game that came to your mind when you made your list ONER so is it really that bad that is was on your mind. I bought GTA for xbox360 and sold it after a 2 weeks of playing just b/c i was burned out after San Andreas but that doesnot make the game crap. Everyone has their opinions but... oh well ....all i am saying is at least try to keep an open mind.

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Please don't get me wrong. I know it is an excellent game in it's respect, but I am one of those people who can clearly notice the aiming issues it has had since the beta! And THAT's what crap about it, so while I could not enjoy the game because of that aspect that doesn't mean I think the game doesn't deserve it's accolades and awards it has received thus far. I guess I should have elaborated more on what I meant by agreeing with Morreale in the "crap comment"; again I apologize as I did earlier in this thread for the almost the same thing. Because I soooo desperately wanted to enjoy KZ2, and I honestly think if it had a perfect/better/equal aiming control scheme more in line with other top games like Halo, Gears, Resistance, COD, Bioshock, Uncharted etc etc etc....it would have been THE unequivocal FPS this generation (on a console) of massive proportions. But my apology still doesn't apply to WiiFit! LoL!


Back on topic for a bit ~ I have also come across some information that says the PS3 Slim will NOT have an external power brick.



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Oner you cant win. its like a cute fuzzy ball of hate the more you play with it the bigger it gets.

Well he is a mod, after all...

lol

It's not about winning guys, it's always been about factual information being provided for people to make their own proper conclusions instead of just going off of opinion and misinformation (in the media or otherwise).

But in all honestly I am getting tried of saying the same shit over and over anyway because I don't want to argue with people. Just have real discussions with people who are intellectually adept, and a perfect example is Varnull. She is absolutely on point with MANY topics, and her vast knowledge/information on Windows, Linux, Privacy, Fair Use and such are quite interesting and very truthful but our discussion become arguments 99% of the time...do I want to argue with her? Nope, not at all. I actually respect a lot of what she says, but it just so happens to go south most of the time when we talk.

The bottom line as I said before is, that it's not about winning. It's about proper information. Simple as that.

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It's not about winning guys, it's always been about factual information being provided for people to make their own proper conclusions instead of just going off of opinion and misinformation (in the media or otherwise).

But in all honestly I am getting tried of saying the same shit over and over anyway because I don't want to argue with people. Just have real discussions with people who are intellectually adept, and a perfect example is Varnull. She is absolutely on point with MANY topics, and her vast knowledge/information on Windows, Linux, Privacy, Fair Use and such are quite interesting and very truthful but our discussion become arguments 99% of the time...do I want to argue with her? Nope, not at all. I actually respect a lot of what she says, but it just so happens to go south most of the time when we talk.

The bottom line as I said before is, that it's not about winning. It's about proper information. Simple as that.

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Okay, how about we agree to disagree, this thread is taking up to much time. People all have different likings etc, you like ps3 I like 360... nobody can change personal opinion. I apologise for any pain and suffering I may have caused in the duration of this thread.

Btw I really think they should make an online system where 360, ps3 and wii owners can vs each other.

I want the PS3 to go down in price. But the thing I really don't like about the PS3 is the lack of piracy. I don't pirate 360 stuff as is because I don't want to be banned from XBL. There are precautions (iXtreme, stealthed ISOs) but the risk is always there. Even with single-player games, there are patches and at times free downloadable content. You can't even get New Game+ in Blue Dragon without downloading the free DLC. So the idea of owning two 360s: one for online, one for offline is out of the question unless I want to miss out on free DLC (and there is some paid DLC I might get in the future even though I'm not exactly crazy about the idea of being charged for add-ons. And then there's the whole XBLA thing that you'll lose if you get banned. Castle Crashers looks like it might be fun).

And quite frankly, I don't want to have to go through the game purchasing thing for more than one console. Whose had the experience of buying a game they thought they would love and finding out they didn't like it? What are you gonna do trade-it-in for a low price? Or try selling it on ebay? (which can be tedious and often times you can get screwed over). Buying games can be a hassle for these reasons. With the Wii, as far as I know anyway, I could get Twilight Princess for the Twilight hack (or whatever the new hack is these days), install homebrew channel and backup loader, burn all the games I want to try and play away (even online since apparently Nintendo doesn't ban you for doing this. Though Online play for the Wii isn't that good to begin with anyway obviously).

The Wii may have the weakest overall library but the library is still pretty good if you don't care about graphics all that much. So if I get a second home console, it just may be the Wii. Never thought I'd be saying this. Trust me, not a Nintendo fanboy at all (the DS is the first Nintendo thing I owned since NES) and I'm not anti-Sony (PS1 and PS2 owner). But the easy piracy is tempting and I've realized recently that buying games can suck ass (not because I'm too cheap to buy them but because I might end up paying money for something that I dislike).

Rent before buying either locally or via Gamefly (or similar) you could also ask your local Gamestop/EB/Movie Gallery if you could try the game out before buying in the store.

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Rent before buying either locally or via Gamefly (or similar) you could also ask your local Gamestop/EB/Movie Gallery if you could try the game out before buying in the store.

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I totally agree with Oner on this one. A new released game now days is approximately $59.99 before tax. Thats a lot of money to waste on a game is how I look at it as well so i rent first and buy second and usually take into account a lot of reviews of the games and listen to those who have already played the game. In the end it still comes down to preference so a games review could be misleading in either a pro or con way. Renting is the best option.

Got a look at Uncharted on PS3 yesterday @ 1080p resolution when my cousins were over celebrating the 4th of July. It looked amazing but overall from what i have read and heard it is a great game. Thats why i cant wait to PS3 lowers the price. I have to play all the great games.

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Rent before buying either locally or via Gamefly (or similar) you could also ask your local Gamestop/EB/Movie Gallery if you could try the game out before buying in the store.

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We don't have a Gamefly in Canada. There's a similar service here in Canada called Game Access but I've heard that they weren't really good. Apparently it takes a long time for them to mail out games to you (about a week from the time you send a game back and receive a new one) even though you're paying $17.95/month for the service. I might try Blockbuster or Rogers Video but if I'm in the mood for renting a particular game and Blockbuster/Rogers Video doesn't have it (ie. say something older or niche), then I'd either have to not play that game or just bite the bullet and buy it.