Each of the drives can easily connect to your PC or laptop and can upscale standard definition DVDs. They are currently available in the UK for £200.
Source:
CNet
Man Toshiba is all over the HD market...I love it! Something new every week!
YEAH a new slim AOD Player. Fix the over heat problems right Now.
Finally, my DVD writer is having problems ripping movies to my HDD and I been looking all over for and HD-DVD upgrade. Toshiba has been having a hell of week and are now addressing the only real advantage BD ever had.
£200 for an HD DVD burner.
Nice.
Less than half the price of a Blu-ray buurner and HD DVD stand-alones will play HD DVD -R discs.
This is in stark contrast to Blu-ray stand-alones which don't.....and if you don't believe me go look up the pdf manual for the Sony S300 Blu-ray stand-alone which clearly states it cannot play BD -R & BD -RE discs.
this wont matter that much(dont get me wrong its still a big jump)...blu-ray had this technology a while ago blu-ray will win the format war it already is outselling hd dvd 4-1 sorry microsoft and all hd dvd supporters but sony and samsung(along with many other companies) worked hard on blu-ray and its gonna pay off
this wont matter that much(dont get me wrong its still a big jump)...blu-ray had this technology a while ago blu-ray will win the format war it already is outselling hd dvd 4-1 sorry microsoft and all hd dvd supporters but sony and samsung(along with many other companies) worked hard on blu-ray and its gonna pay off
The idea of a slim recorder is nice but I wish the would focus on lowering the prices on what they already have on the market.
Originally posted by camaro17:- Er, 4 - 1 of what exactly?
blu-ray will win the format war it already is outselling hd dvd 4-1
Originally posted by camaro17:- Er, you do know that Samsung abandoned it's former 'Blu-ray exclusive' stance as a hardware manufacturer and now is about to release a dual format player?
sorry microsoft and all hd dvd supporters but sony and samsung(along with many other companies) worked hard on blu-ray and its gonna pay off
Originally posted by camaro17:At this point in the game your opinion has no merit. The bottom line is...who ever can get their products out the cheapest, stands a much better chance of winning. The general public are not audio/videophiles and the masses want the latest technology as cheap as possible. This general way of thinking is why Walmart has done so well. The only reason i got into HD-DVD is because I scored the amazon $211 shipped deal. other wise I would still just be rocking a Upconverter. Sony needs to quickly get some cheap players/burners out before too many people jump on the HD-DVD bandwagon. As for us A/V nuts out here we can just sit back and enjoy the ride! MUWAHAHA
this wont matter that much(dont get me wrong its still a big jump)...blu-ray had this technology a while ago blu-ray will win the format war it already is outselling hd dvd 4-1 sorry microsoft and all hd dvd supporters but sony and samsung(along with many other companies) worked hard on blu-ray and its gonna pay off
With this new HD DVD writer , HD DVD will definitely win. I own a ps3 and watched some blu ray movies and there great but at my friends house when we saw some HD DVD movies , there is alot of differnce : 1 ) Cheaper players and xbox
2 ) Movies are cheaper
3 ) Burners are cheaper
4 ) More exclusive special features
5 ) Picture quality is a bit better ( imp )
I was stupid buying a ps3 , cos really blu ray is already a dead format. Now i hv 2 save up for the elite :)
@hughjars i heard personally that its outselling hd dvd 2-1 but someone on this site said that they asked a guy at best buy and he said 4-1 and im not calling you a liar but where did you hear that there's gonna be a 51gb hd dvd because i think that they would make more than 1 gb bigger than blu-ray because sony could make a 52 gb disc and that would be better and is the 51 single or dual layer? and when i say pay off i mean if it wins the format war.......and there are alot more blu-ray exclusives and didnt disney go blu-ray?(tell me if wrong)
Originally posted by camaro17:- "someone in a shop said" isn't usually the best grounds to be making that kind of claim.
@hughjars i heard personally that its outselling hd dvd 2-1 but someone on this site said that they asked a guy at best buy and he said 4-1
Originally posted by camaro17:- Thanks for that! :P
and im not calling you a liar
Originally posted by camaro17:- The 51gb triple layer disc has been common knwoledge for quite some time now.
but where did you hear that there's gonna be a 51gb hd dvd
Originally posted by camaro17:- No it doesn't work like that, it's about the amount of information each layer can cope with.
because i think that they would make more than 1 gb bigger than blu-ray because sony could make a 52 gb disc
Originally posted by camaro17:- It's going to be 17gb per layer so dual layer will be 34gb & triple layer 51gb.
and that would be better and is the 51 single or dual layer?
Originally posted by camaro17:- It's just far too soon to say that.
and when i say pay off i mean if it wins the format war.
Originally posted by camaro17:- You're wrong. :)
.....and there are alot more blu-ray exclusives and didnt disney go blu-ray?(tell me if wrong)
Originally posted by camaro17:- No.
is blu-ray region free?
Region coding is so dumb. I kind see how it was maybe needed in the pass due to PAL/NTSC/Secam but HD is HD. Also hughjar the 34 GB disc are a done deal so thats great because the average TrueHD soundtrack is about 4 GB.
Originally posted by plutonash:- So true. Another relic they seem determined to cling on to of how business used to be done now long since over-taken by technology.
Region coding is so dumb.
Originally posted by plutonash:- This is true (having actual working discs helps enormously with approval from the DVD Forum......and the fact that 17gb & 34gb discs will work with all existing HD DVD players is a big hurdle overcome).
Also hughjar the 34 GB disc are a done deal so thats great because the average TrueHD soundtrack is about 4 GB.
Originally posted by hughjars:hughjars: I'd appreciate a link for this preferably an actual statement from Toshiba or maybe amirm or another insider - just for reference. I haven't been keeping up with the latest from amirm.
.and the fact that 17gb & 34gb discs will work with all existing HD DVD players is a big hurdle overcome).
Quote:I'd also appreciate a link to either a review or a vendor that gives the soundtrack specs on the Euro version of King Kong. I don't have the US HD DVD of this film yet but if the EU version has Dolby True HD or DTS HD Master Audio then I would consider importing it - especially if it has the same VC-1 encode as the US version.
and as we can see from the Euro release of the long King Kong movie - the Euro version came with HD audio.
Quote:
EU King Kong (2005)
Codec - VC-1
Length - 3:07:05
Movie Size - 28,711,675,904*~
Disc Size - 29,628,739,665
Total Bitrate - 20.46
Calculated Video Bitrate - 16.36
Main Audio Track - DDPlus 5.1 1536Kbps
Originally posted by dblbogey7:- I'll get back to you on this.
hughjars: I'd appreciate a link for this preferably an actual statement from Toshiba or maybe amirm or another insider - just for reference. I haven't been keeping up with the latest from amirm.
Originally posted by dblbogey7:- Here I have to hold my hands up and apologise for my mistake, I was wrong.
I'd also appreciate a link to either a review or a vendor that gives the soundtrack specs on the Euro version of King Kong.
Originally posted by hughjars:I'm also interested in an official announcement from Toshiba on this one.
- I'll get back to you on this.
Breaking news, more to follow.....
Quote:http://www.screendigest.com/online_s...60907-ec3/show
Originally Posted by ScreenDigest
DVD Forum approves 'bigger than Blu-ray' HD DVD
07 Sep 07
Country: China, USA
Source: Online Services/Intelligence/Video and DVD/Updates
The DVD Forum, the international DVD standards authority, has approved a 51 GB single-sided triple-layer HD DVD disc for production. Extension to the HD DVD standard, which was submitted by Toshiba in April, received approval on 31 August 2007. Other recent developments include:
A single-sided triple-layer HD DVD/DVD hybrid (combi) disc, the DVD layer of which would be playable by legacy DVD players, is expected to be approved before the year end.
The Forum has signed a Memorandum of Understanding with China's Optical Memory National Engineering Research Centre (OMNERC) regarding licensing of the HD DVD-ROM China (formerly HD DVD-ROM China-only) format, specification for which was approved earlier this year. The only difference between the latter and the standard HD DVD format is the modulation scheme: the optical pickup in HD DVD China player will be able to play standard HD DVD discs, although Chinese discs will not be playable in standard HD DVD drives. According to the Forum, the Chinese government is keen to introduce the format domestically before the Olympic Games in August 2008. Large-scale integrates (LSIs) are already under development by manufacturers and use of AACS for the format is currently under negotiation.
Our take...
The approval of Toshiba's 51 GB disc is good news for the HD DVD camp, allowing it to compete directly with rival Blu-ray Disc's (BD) dual-layer 50 GB disc. As with the BD50, it is likely to take some time for production yields to reach a commercially viable level. However, once this has been achieved it will arguably eliminate one of the principle reasons behind some studios' support of Blu-ray over HD DVD, thus potentially making it easier for Disney or Fox to adopt a format-agnostic position without losing face. Meanwhile, the development of a triple-layer single-sided hybrid HD DVD/DVD disc will also be welcomed by HD DVD supporters. Both Warner and Universal have been releasing double-sided hybrids in the US for some time but they have yet to use this approach in Europe. Single-sided hybrids (sometimes called 'twin format' discs) offer the same space for promotional printing as traditional optical discs and do not require the consumer to think about which way to put them into the player. Anime title Freedom was released in the US as a single-sided hybrid in June but its capacity (15 GB HD DVD and 4.7 GB DVD) was not sufficient for a major studio release. The approval by the Forum of a triple-layer hybrid might arguably encourage some studios to release certain titles only on HD DVD/DVD hybrids, which could in turn lead to some DVD buyers building up a library of HD DVD titles by default, before making the decision to upgrade to a hi-def video player. So far there have been no indications that the BD camp plans to support hybrid discs.
The TL51 development is being discussed quite extensively here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=905046&page=2
Apparently there is still doubt as to the backward compatibility of TL51 and TL Twin discs with Gen 1 drives as pointed out by a tech consultant for Scandinavian film distributors. He was at the DVD Forum Conference in Berlin on the 3rd of September where this was discussed.
Quote:Bottom line is we still have to wait for further developments.
Regardless, reflectivity is still an issue, especially when trying to read data from the bottom layer. That is why working groups are still studying spherical aberration compensation, which (afaik) is quite essential for successfull TL51 and TL Twin reading. It's also the reason G1 players will probably be unable to read TL discs, as the hardware apparently doesn't contain SAC functionality.
This question was posed to a panel during the European Conference. The answer was quite non-committal and long winded, but I guess the meat of it was "1G players, probably not. 2G and newer... maybe" and that depended on a certain feature the drives needed to have. It was most likely to do with the spherical aberration compensation again, which needs more study.
Claims and counter claims, I agree we'll just have to wait and see but Ive heard a few interesting things about CEDIA including this -
Quote:http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthrea...68#post11565068
And also the word from CEDIA is that ALL players even 1st generation are all backwards compatible for the new TL51's
It's probably appropriate to quote amirm's exact words here:
Quote:http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=905046&page=5
Originally Posted by amirm
Testing is going to start soon. Until then, there is no answer.
Please keep in mind that just because the format gets approved, it doesn't mean it gets used. So if TL-51 is not compatible with current players, the studios may choose to not adopt it and its applications will remain for specialized situations where this doesn't matter.
Then there are in between scenarios such as getting 34 gigabyte HD DVDs (two layers out of three in TL-51). Or having two layers compatible and the third layer holding things that don't matter (PC software, portable video, etc.).
Last but not least, let me say that the interest in forums around TL-51 is about 100X of the people in the HD DVD industry . Of course, if TL-51 proves fully compatible, this may change. But for most of us, TL-51 is a non-event. No different than how an Honda owner thinks wrt to Honda racing. It is cool if Toshiba can pull it off. But nothing in our strategy relies on it existing.
error5: I spoke to my A/V dealer about the TL51 issue and the impression he got while at CEDIA was similar to what amir said in that quote you posted: There's a possibility that the gen 1 drives will be able to read the 1st 2 layers (or the 1st 34 gigs) of a TL51 disc. The third layer could be reserved for non-essential extras if there's doubt that the gen 1 drives would have problems reading the third layer. Hopefully the tests will have good results.
This is all well and good but what are the burn speeds??