Despite the price drop, Blu-ray standalones still cost a fair amount more than HD DVD standalones which normally retail for under $300.
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i just wanted to know is the blu-ray player worth buying
cheers
MrHelsing
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200$ price point? exleent!
Nothing really dose cut the corporate gut like competition!
if you wanna go blu i recommed the ps3..if you think youll ever play a game on it and have the extra 100
i havnt researched this player so i cant tell you if its worth it or not =P
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:- No Zippy, it's $300.
200$ price point? exleent!
Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
if you wanna go blu i recommed the ps3..if you think youll ever play a game on it and have the extra 100
i havnt researched this player so i cant tell you if its worth it or not =P
Quote:so then thats just an issue with the receiver correct? the PS3's output through HDMI is good?Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
if you wanna go blu i recommed the ps3..if you think youll ever play a game on it and have the extra 100
i havnt researched this player so i cant tell you if its worth it or not =P
If I were going to buy a BR player I might as well spend the money and get a PS3. However there are drawbacks to the PS3 as a BR player, namely, no 7 channel PCM outputs. The PS3 does output the HD audio formats through HDMI, but if you have a receiver that's older than a year it probably doesn't decode these formats or has no HDMI inputs/outputs at all.
Quote:so the cheapest BR player is still 233ih.Originally posted by ZippyDSM:- No Zippy, it's $300.
200$ price point? exleent!
It's HD DVD that has already broken the $200 price-point.
(and before the 1080p BS'ers start the 1080p HD DVD players can be had for well under $300 too)
C'mon people!!! Again; who would invest in ANY of these technologies knowing that the outcome could go either way. Sure the blu-ray player is worth buying.................because it plays blu-rays as opposed to not. However it's best to buy an HD-DVD player as well for a couple hundred............then enjoy those for a few years whilst they become outdated and obsolete with, not only newer, better versions, but the possibility of one or the other going bye-bye and therefore collecting dust. Jimminy Christmas! Do people want to watch a limited number of High Def. discs that badly. Be smart, be patient and wait another 2-3 years for a standard to arise.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:- Which BD player is $233 right now, Zippy?
so the cheapest BR player is still 233ih.
Originally posted by MrHelsing:Right now this player sound better than the PS3 but that could change when Sony gives the 1.1 update via Firmware .That update could include support DTS-HD Master Audio decoding.So right now i would say this player is better than the PS3.Right now this is the best buy of any HD player on the market fullHD,1.1,& support DTS-HD Master Audio decoding.
i just wanted to know is the blu-ray player worth buying
cheers
MrHelsing
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Hmmm, so they're moving to (eventually) produce the BDP5000 dual format player.
They already canned their supposedly high end BDP 2400.....
.....and now they're dumping their BDP1400.
Is Samsung getting out the Blu-ray stand-alone business?
Quote:This was just posted not long ago Zippy.Quote:so the cheapest BR player is still 233ih.Originally posted by ZippyDSM:- No Zippy, it's $300.
200$ price point? exleent!
It's HD DVD that has already broken the $200 price-point.
(and before the 1080p BS'ers start the 1080p HD DVD players can be had for well under $300 too)
this player is FW1.0 correct?
is it true that 1.0 players don't have the hardware requirements for FW1.1?
and is there FW2.0 coming that will add online features? is it true 1.1 players will not have the hardware requirements for FW2.0?
the exception being the PS3 since its, well you know
edit=LOL, I meant 'profile' and not FW
Originally posted by sk8flawzz:- I think you are a little mistaken about this.
this player is FW1.0 correct?
Originally posted by sk8flawzz:- Yes that is true.
is it true that 1.0 players don't have the hardware requirements for FW1.1?
Originally posted by sk8flawzz:- No; there's a 'profile' (profile 2.0) which demands on-line features but you cannot 'firmware' an ethernet connection if the player has never been built with one
and is there FW2.0 coming that will add online features?
Originally posted by sk8flawzz:- Like I said if it hasn't got ethernet built-in it's never going on-line.
is it true 1.1 players will not have the hardware requirements for FW2.0?
the exception being the PS3 since its, well you know
DUH!i meant 'profile' instead of FW I really brain-farted on that one.
o.k. that's pretty much all I needed to know about this player, I'm not going purple if it's an obsolete and under spec player. (I DO care about the extra advanced features.)
weird double post
Originally posted by MrHelsing:- It's a Samsung BDP.
i just wanted to know is the blu-ray player worth buying
Originally posted by hughjars:Correction.
There is not a single profile 1.1 or profile 2.0 Blu-ray player on the market right now.
Quote:Originally posted by hughjars:Correction.
There is not a single profile 1.1 or profile 2.0 Blu-ray player on the market right now.
The Panasonic DMP-BD30 is profile 1.1 compliant and has been out for a couple of weeks now.
http://www.ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplayers/1107panabd30/
Quote:I can't give an honest opinion as I don't actually own the PS3, but it should be able to output the HD audio formats (HDMI version 1.3a). Not sure about the DTS HD MAster audio on the PS3. But you have to have a receiver that has HDMI inputs and decodes the formats. The PS3 does have the standard digital optical out for digital 5.1 formats.Quote:so then thats just an issue with the receiver correct? the PS3's output through HDMI is good?Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
if you wanna go blu i recommed the ps3..if you think youll ever play a game on it and have the extra 100
i havnt researched this player so i cant tell you if its worth it or not =P
If I were going to buy a BR player I might as well spend the money and get a PS3. However there are drawbacks to the PS3 as a BR player, namely, no 7 channel PCM outputs. The PS3 does output the HD audio formats through HDMI, but if you have a receiver that's older than a year it probably doesn't decode these formats or has no HDMI inputs/outputs at all.
how does the blu-ray player in this article compare to the ps3?
Originally posted by juankerr:- That's the one I was referring to.
Correction.
The Panasonic DMP-BD30 is profile 1.1 compliant and has been out for a couple of weeks now.
http://www.ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplayers/1107panabd30/
Quote:http://www.guidetohometheater.com/hddiscplayers/1107panabd30/
Note also that while Profile 1.1 is called the "Final Standard [BD-ROM] Profile" in Panasonic's promotional materials, that does not mean that it's the last current word BD hardware.
For now, that's Profile 2.0 (BD-Live), which requires 1GB of local storage plus network capability (likely in the form of an Ethernet or LAN port).
No player currently offers BD-ROM Profile 2.0, but again, the PS3 meets the hardware requirements and is likely to be upgradeable to meet this spec.
The "local storage" does not need to be internal. A removable vehicle such as a flash drive or memory card can provide it.
The Panasonic does have an SD card port, which may be used for the onboard memory required for some future disc features (see more on the SD card feature below).
But it lacks an Ethernet port for Internet interactivity (not to mention direct downloading of firmware upgrades), so will never be upgradeable to Profile 2.0.
But BD-ROM 1.1 is long overdue, and welcome with discs already announced with advanced interactivity for these new players to take advantage of.
Originally posted by hughjars:Not really hughjars. You weren't referring to anything.
- That's the one I was referring to.
Quote:...which is clearly a lie or misinformation on your part. As juankerr said the Panny BD30 is out and is Profile 1.1.
There is not a single profile 1.1 or profile 2.0 Blu-ray player on the market right now.
Originally posted by error5:- Er, yes really and yes I did.
Not really hughjars. You weren't referring to anything.
Originally posted by error5:- Which would be correct if that was all I said.
You actually said:
Quote:...which is clearly a lie or misinformation on your part.
There is not a single profile 1.1 or profile 2.0 Blu-ray player on the market right now.
Quote:Which is perfectly fair (although I did edit as I originally - and incorerectly- had thought it was a Pioneer mdoel).
Panasonic have hinted that one of their latest BD players might be ok and suitably equipped for profile 1.1 but that remains very much untested.
Originally posted by error5:- BS
You weren't referring to anything and your last post was clearly an attempt to draw everyone's attention elsewhere.
Originally posted by error5:- Frankly I think your haste to jump on this just shows you up and your obvious selective quoting merely busts you.
Well you're not fooling anyone.
You're busted.
LMAO.
ROTFLMAO!
Geez, hughjars. It's so easy to ruffle your feathers it's not even funny.
juankerr is right: Lighten up!
Quote:Untested or not it's still Profile 1.1. As long as it complies with the specs you can label it as 1.1.
You fail to point out or admit that I also said -
Panasonic have hinted that one of their latest BD players might be ok and suitably equipped for profile 1.1 but that remains very much untested.
Originally posted by error5:- Dude I'm all for recognising & accepting the limitations of 2D text on a screen but where on earth do you get the idea that I'm "ruffled" or in the least bit 'up tight' about any of this?
ROTFLMAO!
Geez, hughjars. It's so easy to ruffle your feathers it's not even funny.
juankerr is right: Lighten up!
Originally posted by error5:- Technically that's true but in view of the history of the whole 'profile 1.1' & 'profile 2.0' I am highly skeptical, as you may guess. :P
Untested or not it's still Profile 1.1. As long as it complies with the specs you can label it as 1.1.
Originally posted by error5:- You can hardly claim I've said there aren't any profile 1.1 players on the market when clearly I have said there might be one.
So your next statement is still misinformation on your part. There is a Profile 1.1 player out in the market.
It doesn't matter if you changed it from Pioneer to Panasonic.
Originally posted by error5:- Naaa, but I think your edit must mean you're very bored & hoping for a little amusement out of this.
You're still busted.
Originally posted by hughjars:Exactly right. Watching your knee jerk reaction to everything is very entertaining indeed - better than a shot of espresso in the morning.
Naaa, but I think your edit must mean you're very bored & hoping for a little amusement out of this.
Sorry.
Hughjars skeptical about BD that’s hard to believe… LOL
This is great news and when I mentioned it was going to happen, BDP’s for $300 or less, a couple of months ago all the cheapsters disputed it. Marketing buzz and a little common sense goes a long way. It about time to consider getting that BDP. :)
Originally posted by error5:- Oh dear error5, then what a sad state of affairs.
Exactly right.
Originally posted by error5:- I doubt it's too unusual, certainly not the dramatic response you seem to want it to be.
Watching your knee jerk reaction
Originally posted by error5:- I've told you 1 million times, do not exaggerate!
to everything
Originally posted by error5:- Wow, what a horrible admission. You want to get out more.
is very entertaining indeed - better than a shot of espresso in the morning.
LMAO!
Thank you for proving my point hughjars.
"Knee jerk reaction to everything" is accurate and not an over-exaggeration.
...and quite amusing to boot.
Originally posted by hughjars:I get out quite a lot thank you.
- Wow, what a horrible admission. You want to get out more.
My only beef with the Samsung 1400 is that it's a step down from the 1200 which had the Reon HQV chip. Besides that, it's a pretty good entry level model. I've seen it in action a friend's setup and it compares favorably PQ wise with the PS3.
The Panasonic DMP-BD30 on the other hand is pretty impressive with it's bitstream transmission of True HD and Master Audio. I have it paired with an Onkyo TX-SR705 receiver which does the decoding. The DTS HD MA soundtrack on Live Free or Die Hard is demo quality.
Originally posted by error5:- Coooo, I post on a public tech board about tech stuff a few times during the day, well yeah hotshot, awwww you got me, I must have no life.
Judging from your recent acdtivity in these forums I highly doubt it.
Originally posted by eatsushi:- I don't doubt it's a decent player but it's a lot of cash for what you get.
The Panasonic DMP-BD30 on the other hand is pretty impressive
eatsushi: My Panasonic BD30 arrived yesterday and the Live Free or Die Hard disc was the very first thing I threw at it.
It was great to see the DTS HD MA on my Denon's display panel.
The 24fps output was also a sight to behold on my new 72Hz Pioneer plasma.
Originally posted by juankerr:I just got off the phone with my friend and he confirms that the Samsung 1400 also passes DTS HD MA and True HD bitstream. He also has a decoding Onkyo. He says the 1st thing with the Sammy is to make sure you upgrade the firmware before playing anything.
eatsushi: My Panasonic BD30 arrived yesterday and the Live Free or Die Hard disc was the very first thing I threw at it.
It was great to see the DTS HD MA on my Denon's display panel.
The 24fps output was also a sight to behold on my new 72Hz Pioneer plasma.
HD player price dropped hurry limited supplies available
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/...45&sku=T24-BDL1
The HD A3's only $218.60 on Amazon USA right now.
The HD A30 is $239.98 and the HD A35 is $328.
All with 10 freebie HD DVD movies.
IMO they're excellent deals
(and I'd say that those players are a damned sight better than the $269.99 Samsung, which is only profile 1.0 & well known for being buggy & problematic).
But it would be nice to know if Samsung are ditching Blu-ray stand-alone production (or just this BDP 1400) cos it might mean support for the player will be short.
(and bearing in mind how essential firmware updates are - particularly to the Blu-ray format with it's BD+ problems and/or possible pending problems as 'profile 1.1' & 'profile 2.0' movie discs start to appear - that's got to be something prospective owners need to know.
Not that the fanboy element would ever even bother to mention such an essential matter)
Quote:LMAO....That was funny i had to laugh.
LMAO!
Thank you for proving my point hughjars.
"Knee jerk reaction to everything" is accurate and not an over-exaggeration.
...and quite amusing to boot.
Originally posted by hughjars:I get out quite a lot thank you.
- Wow, what a horrible admission. You want to get out more.
The question is - do you?
Judging from your recent acdtivity in these forums I highly doubt it.
Originally posted by hughjars:Excellent deals indeed, however, when the Blu-Ray camp offers free movies, or ever BOGO deals, every HDDVD fanboy decides that it is foul play, and that they mess up the sales numbers.
The HD A3's only $218.60 on Amazon USA right now.
The HD A30 is $239.98 and the HD A35 is $328.
All with 10 freebie HD DVD movies.
IMO they're excellent deals
(and I'd say that those players are a damned sight better than the $269.99 Samsung, which is only profile 1.0 & well known for being buggy & problematic).
Originally posted by eatsushi:Thanks. It's a 50" Kuro. One of my friends had one and when he demo'd the 24fps output from the Panny BD30 I said I had to have one. Now most of my senior colleagues here at work have the BD30 and a Pioneer or Panasonic plasma. To be fair my Toshiba A30's 24fps is also excellent but I may have to upgrade to the A35 or even the XA2 to take advantage of bitstream audio transmission to my Denon.
Congrats on the Pioneer plasma. Is it one of the Kuro panels?
Originally posted by juankerr:Bitstream from the Toshiba is a bit tricky though. If you want to hear audio from a PiP stream or any advanced content then you have to set it to LPCM not digital direct. If you don't there will be no audio in the PiP. The trade-off is that you don't get the decoding from the receiver. If you're not using the PiP and you're just watching the movie then you can leave it at digital direct/bitstream. At least this is what I've observed from my XA2. I think it's the same with the A35. Bitstream from the BD players is more straightforward.
I may have to upgrade to the A35 or even the XA2 to take advantage of bitstream audio transmission to my Denon.
Originally posted by juankerr:LOL! Just a private joke. I do know he's usually in a tropical climate during the winter months.
(Hey, is error5 really in Maui or is it just a private joke?)
Originally posted by nextgen76:- Cor, what a surprise, nextgen had to jump in with a (trademark) lame little dig too.
LMAO....That was funny i had to laugh.
Originally posted by sciascia:- Not just "fanboys".
Excellent deals indeed, however, when the Blu-Ray camp offers free movies, or ever BOGO deals, every HDDVD fanboy decides that it is foul play, and that they mess up the sales numbers.
Originally posted by eatsushi:That's interesting eatsushi. So you have to turn off direct digital on the HDMI in order to hear the PiP or advanced content. I guess the secondary audio channel doesn't get included in the bitstream transmission then. Am I right?
Bitstream from the Toshiba is a bit tricky though. If you want to hear audio from a PiP stream or any advanced content then you have to set it to LPCM not digital direct. If you don't there will be no audio in the PiP. The trade-off is that you don't get the decoding from the receiver. If you're not using the PiP and you're just watching the movie then you can leave it at digital direct/bitstream. At least this is what I've observed from my XA2. I think it's the same with the A35. Bitstream from the BD players is more straightforward.
Quote:So you must be very amused... :) LOLOriginally posted by nextgen76:- Cor, what a surprise, nextgen had to jump in with a (trademark) lame little dig too.
LMAO....That was funny i had to laugh.
Nevermind nextgen, we all know what they say about how only simple things amuse the simplest minds.
Bless.
Originally posted by dblbogey7:I'm not sure what happens exactly to the secondary audio stream but somehow it doesn't pass thru the Onkyo's decoder. I do get the signal when I use the analogs or SPDIF though. I'll try to look around for an explanation.
That's interesting eatsushi. So you have to turn off direct digital on the HDMI in order to hear the PiP or advanced content. I guess the secondary audio channel doesn't get included in the bitstream transmission then. Am I right?
I've been thinking of trying out a new Onkyo or Denon with HD audio decoding. I've given up on DTS HD MA decoding in the players and I have a few EU titles that have Master Audio.
This is what i have been wanting and i noticed it did not take as long as i once thought. Well done give it another month and it will drop further :)