This upcoming week should be interesting to see considering Amazon and Best Buy have had BOGO sales running on HD DVD titles.
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EngadgetHD
i dont know why u post blu ray is selling more movies when they should by alot figuring new and older movies are blu ray only. Sony has a bigger bunch of studios so of course its gonna sell more movies why do u need a study to find that out and also HD DVD has only a couple movies that are HD exclusive so its not a surprise that sonys winning this format war. Sad to say it but the anti consumer has the upper hand...oh well pays to have the best of both worlds so picking up a dual format player or one of each standalone is the way to go. Or just download HD rips until the wars over.
Originally posted by b18bek9:So your willing to spend $1000 for a dual format instead of buying the winning format or even waiting til the format war is over? In the future, if HD DVD loses, all those HD DVD movies will eventually be made into Blu-ray. And as a plus, the actual blu-ray format won't die for another decade or so because PS3 games are made on it, HD DVD, possibly will when the war is over. I dont think shelling out $1000 for a dual format player makes alot of sense. As well, saying "well LG has a Dual Format player for my computer for only $400". Well does your computer have a good enough video to play HD movies? And a Dual-Core processor is probably needed now, as well as having a widescreen monitor, thats a given anyways.
picking up a dual format player or one of each standalone is the way to go
What's also interesting is that the numbers show that BluRay won the Harry Potter derby. Both the single disc Order of the Phoenix and the Years 1 - 5 Gift set on BluRay outsold their HD DVD counterparts.
This contradicts the numbers that Ken Graffeo put out last week. There's speculation that the numbers he released included units sold to rental chains.
Dave Vaughn leaked the latest numbers from Nielsen yesterday (week ending December 23rd).
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=958172&page=9
For the second straight week it's Blu 61: HD 39. Harry Potter on BD again outsold the HD DVD version. Bourne gets great 2nd week sales but a strong showing from The Simpsons plus good catalog sales give Blu the win. Out of the top 20 titles, 14 were BluRay. The HD DVD BOGO's weren't enough. Maybe this week's amazon and Best Buy HD deals could do it?
Originally posted by juankerr:thank you for clearing that up with the false info we got.hd-dvd is still trailing,despite bluray having no big hits at the moment other than pirates of the caribbean.warner obviously is second guessing their decision.CES will tell all.
What's also interesting is that the numbers show that BluRay won the Harry Potter derby. Both the single disc Order of the Phoenix and the Years 1 - 5 Gift set on BluRay outsold their HD DVD counterparts.
This contradicts the numbers that Ken Graffeo put out last week. There's speculation that the numbers he released included units sold to rental chains.
Dave Vaughn leaked the latest numbers from Nielsen yesterday (week ending December 23rd).
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=958172&page=9
For the second straight week it's Blu 61: HD 39. Harry Potter on BD again outsold the HD DVD version. Bourne gets great 2nd week sales but a strong showing from The Simpsons plus good catalog sales give Blu the win. Out of the top 20 titles, 14 were BluRay. The HD DVD BOGO's weren't enough. Maybe this week's amazon and Best Buy HD deals could do it?
SO the win is partly attributed to GIVING AWAY FREE (as in free beer) movies. Based upon that logic if Ford gave away a Kazoo with every car they sell you would be able to say that Kazoo's are the biggest selling toy item when in fact logic would dictate this is not so. But when people talk about their beloved HD formats this logic is thrown out the window and the numbers count. lol
Also as others have pointed out here with the number of BD capable hardware out there a win ratio of 61:39 is hardly impressive at all. This equates out to less than a 2:1 lead for a format that has upwards of 8-10x the players out there.
So lets look at it this way (and conservativly even):
Premise:
There are 8M BD players out there (includes ALL HW capable of playing a BD disc-- actual numbers may be closer to 10M)
There are 2M HD DVD players out there (includes ALL HW capable of playing a HD DVD disc-- actual numbers may be closer to 1.5M)
This means that BD SHOULD be selling at the very least 4 TIMES as many discs as HD DVD. If you reduce the above ratio of 61:39 you come up with BD selling 1.5 times more discs with 4-5x more players in circulation. Another way of looking at it is to say that of all HD players out there anywhere from 10%-25% (more likely at 15%) are HD DVD and that this 10%-25% makes up 39% of all HD movie sales.
This means that while HD DVD has less players in peoples homes those people with HD DVD are buying more movies per player than people with BD players. This is something that should be considered by all the players involved. At this rate if the HD DVD HW sales increased by 1/2 of what is now out there these numbers would significantly become closer if not flip flopped.
One question of interest would be HOW MANY people who own HD players own BOTH formats. For dual format consumers the decision on which disc to buy would more likely come down to firstly the price of the disc in either format and secondly (for a much smaller percentage of users) the extras included in both formats.
Regardless of any of this though to claim that a format with 4-5x the available hardware out there is winning because it sells 1.5 times more movies is hardly the whole picture.
And btw... I own neither format.
Originally posted by duckNrun:
Also as others have pointed out here with the number of BD capable hardware out there a win ratio of 61:39 is hardly impressive at all. This equates out to less than a 2:1 lead for a format that has upwards of 8-10x the players out there.
So lets look at it this way (and conservativly even):
Premise:
There are 8M BD players out there (includes ALL HW capable of playing a BD disc-- actual numbers may be closer to 10M)
There are 2M HD DVD players out there (includes ALL HW capable of playing a HD DVD disc-- actual numbers may be closer to 1.5M)
This means that BD SHOULD be selling at the very least 4 TIMES as many discs as HD DVD. If you reduce the above ratio of 61:39 you come up with BD selling 1.5 times more discs with 4-5x more players in circulation. Another way of looking at it is to say that of all HD players out there anywhere from 10%-25% (more likely at 15%) are HD DVD and that this 10%-25% makes up 39% of all HD movie sales.
LMAO
Another desperately weak Blu-ray 'win'.
They have a 10:1+ advantage in the number of players and yet they can't even manage a 2:1 lead in movie disc sales.
Hilarious.
The Blu-ray lead is only 1.56:1 - which incidentally works out to the 'since inception' number too.
It's also a fact that the BDA has sponsored over 20 BOGO sales already in 2007.
HD DVD has just run just 2 - both this month.
You'll find that HD DVD offer a pretty restricted (tho still good) selection on it's BOGO whilst Blu-ray's BOGOs have included huge blockbuster films like the Pirates Of the Caribbean films, Casino Royale, Night At the Museum, X-Men: Last Stand, and many others.
They've also included recent releases like 28 Weeks Later, The Fly, Day After Tomorrow just a mere 2 weeks after their debut.
It must be costing Blu-ray a fortune (and adding costs to an already costly format for the producers).
Only a few weeks to CES 2008.
Can't wait.
@ hughjars
totally agree mate over 6 1/2+ million DRM-ray players sold, and less than 1 million hd-dvd players and DRM-ray only manages a pitiful lead, it shows how the general public just dont care about hi-def content and are happy with dvd but out of the two formats ppl that own hd-dvd players purchase more titles per unit than they do for sony's DRM-ray players.
then you have all the bogof (by one get one free) offers that has been a unit fixing strategy since the start with coupons in US ps3's and blu-ray players to enable consumers to get extra titles for heavily reduced prices that were counted towards the total sales, desperation from the MPAA to fix it so their format of choice wins the war because of the anti consumer DRM bundled with Blu-Ray, that the mafia cops want so badly to lock us out of content WE own!
no matter what the news you can be assured of nextgen spinning and cherry picking for sony but what do you expect from a sony blogger!
ppl don't let the MPAA control the hardware as well as the software Blu(DRM)-RAY is all about locking content down, it has the most anti consumer, propertarian, orwellian DRM schemes to date even more invasive that sony's xcp rootkit or sony's secuROM.
@ nextgen
what are you talkin about blu-ray winning in euro, you aint got a clue, not a single tesco(tesco = walmart) in the uk stocks any blu-ray titles in store, nor do they stock blu-ray players or ps3's but they do however stock hd-dvd pc's. most retailers other a few in the cities ain't even bothering to stock Hi-Def media as there is not a viable market in the UK yet.
Originally posted by nobrainer:- That's one of the funniest claims from the Blu-ray/PS3 fanclub of all.
@ nextgen
what are you talkin about blu-ray winning in euro, you aint got a clue, not a single tesco(tesco = walmart) in the uk stocks any blu-ray titles in store, nor do they stock blu-ray players or ps3's but they do however stock hd-dvd pc's.
@ hughjars
tesco stock all game machines in store bar the ps3, and the shelf space is dedicated to 360 and wii games, with ds psp and ps2 with a smaller share no HD films just plain old dvd's for as little as £5
the book section is larger than the game section, but i suppose that says something about british ppl over americans, sry america dont mean to stereotype but you keep falling for the Spin and piffle on the tube and iraq is all about OIL ffs please learn history about mesopotamia! read some noam chomsky or such like and become a "god dam commie" or is that enlightened to the central banks control over the government!
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/
tesco, every little helps!
Originally posted by nobrainer:Be honest, you don't really know what you're talking about.
what are you talkin about blu-ray winning in euro, you aint got a clue, not a single tesco(tesco = walmart)...
Originally posted by DjDanio :sry you misunderstood my sentence, yes asda is owned by walmart, but tesco has the market share in the uk as walmart does in america!
Originally posted by nobrainer:Be honest, you don't really know what you're talking about.
@ nextgen
what are you talkin about blu-ray winning in euro, you aint got a clue, not a single tesco(tesco = walmart) in the uk stocks any blu-ray titles in store, nor do they stock blu-ray players or ps3's but they do however stock hd-dvd pc's. most retailers other a few in the cities ain't even bothering to stock Hi-Def media as there is not a viable market in the UK yet.
Firstly, Asda = Walmart. And Asda is an awful place, really cheap and nasty.
Secondly, i think it has even been said on here, that blu ray is outselling Hddvd in europe.
Thirdly, There are so few people out there buying HD films it doesn't really matter which one is selling more etc. These sorts of story about blu ray and HD DVD are getting BORING!!!!
Originally posted by above link:
11/01/2007
London, Jan. 10 - Tesco PLC's market share in the U.K. grocery market for the 12 weeks to December 31 has risen to 31.4%, according to Taylor Nelson Sofres World Panel market share data Wednesday.
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Asda, a subsidiary of the world's biggest retailer Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) of the U.S., saw its sales increase 5% in the period. Its market share stood at 16.6%.
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William Morrisons grew at 4%, while Waitrose had an 11% year on year increase, giving the retailer a 3.9% Christmas market share.
Somerfield PLC dipped from 4.1% to 3.9%.
If there's so many Blu-Ray players, why would Blu-Ray be dumped? What would happen to the 6 million or so owners that bought one in the US alone?
Besides, how could HD-DVD possibly win if its been beaten every week of the year, INCLUDING THEIR EXCLUSIVE RELEASES?
Like, some guy has to be damn retarded to go with a format that sells less and will piss of a much larger group. Even when I ask random people at places at FutureShop and BestBuy they all say Blu-Ray is doing much better.
@ vinny13
its not about the amount of hardware that will be the deciding factor, its about units sold against the hardware base, so at the moment hd-dvd is the clear leader of sales of hi def media because more ppl that own hd-dvd players actually purchase films which is what the movie industry is about remember, units sold per unit of hardware = £$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$££$£$£$£$ from each person!!!!!!
i would personally rewrite your closing sentence to "DRM-Ray has the potential to do much better" but do ppl purchase the ps3 to watch movies or has sony's (MPAA) anti consumer DRM media lockdown, gamble failed to work?
Originally posted by nobrainer:
@ vinny13
its not about the amount of hardware that will be the deciding factor, its about units sold against the hardware base, so at the moment hd-dvd is the clear leader of sales of hi def media because more ppl that own hd-dvd players actually purchase films which is what the movie industry is about remember, units sold per unit of hardware = £$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$££$£$£$£$ from each person!!!!!!
i would personally rewrite your closing sentence to "DRM-Ray has the potential to do much better" but do ppl purchase the ps3 to watch movies or has sony's (MPAA) anti consumer DRM media lockdown, gamble failed to work?
First, although this may sound weird, I would like to see the sales of Ultimatum, POTC: AWE and the Harry Potter series on vanilla DVD just to get a real picture of how well either format has penetrated the market.
Personally I don't believe that "Free" discs in the BOGO sales should be counted. Sure, it is another disc pushed though but it wasn't actually bought therefore unless the discs are way overpriced Blu-Ray is losing money with every disc (or every couple of discs) sold.
I am not sure if HD DVD had any BOGO sales, although Best Buy did have something in an ad on a BOGO sale for HD DVD, but if you eliminate the "Free" discs from Blu-Ray's side then the actual amount of discs bought is closer to 39:30.5 or ~1.28:1 ratio with HD DVD leading according to the numbers in this news article.
Regardless, it looks like we will have to wait until CES (or way later, possibly never) before a real victor is established in the war to take over vanilla DVD as the chosen format.
Peace
Originally posted by Pop_Smith:- High def of both flavours combined is under 4% of the total retail movie disc market.
First, although this may sound weird, I would like to see the sales of Ultimatum, POTC: AWE and the Harry Potter series on vanilla DVD just to get a real picture of how well either format has penetrated the market.
Originally posted by Pop_Smith:- Well it's a legitimate marketing tactic and consumers can (at least in the short-term) benefit - but I would agree that it ought to be made crystal clear and transparent what is going on and which weeks are not a straight battle (and are effectively 'bought).
Personally I don't believe that "Free" discs in the BOGO sales should be counted.
Originally posted by Pop_Smith:- We already know from what Viacom/Paramount has said that Blu-ray is a more difficult and more costly format to work with and produce.
therefore unless the discs are way overpriced Blu-Ray is losing money with every disc (or every couple of discs) sold.
Originally posted by Pop_Smith:- This month (Dec 07) HD DVD held their first and second BOGO deals.
I am not sure if HD DVD had any BOGO sales
Originally posted by Pop_Smith:- Yeah, CES is the beginning of the end and it will gather pace throughout this year.
Regardless, it looks like we will have to wait until CES (or way later, possibly never) before a real victor is established in the war to take over vanilla DVD as the chosen format.
Peace
Quote:Regardless of the numbers SDVD is putting up, it is going to be replaced, and that is the bottom line. We are not debating the sales of SDVD, infact, they mean nothing in this war. SDVD could start selling hand over fist (which is probably will towards the very end of its life span) but it will still be replaced. I always see you bringing this up but it really means nothing, don't you think?
- High def of both flavours combined is under 4% of the total retail movie disc market.
Originally posted by sciascia :it shows the purchasing trends, and is very relevant because it shows that ppl don't care about Hi-Def films, because ppl are happy with DVD's contrary to what sony says which is the war is won, but the war hasn't even started and by the time ppl think about changing there will be another format to choose from as technology moves very fast, you know! and in all reality who wants to purchase DRM-Ray films that sony want full control over!
Quote:Regardless of the numbers SDVD is putting up, it is going to be replaced, and that is the bottom line. We are not debating the sales of SDVD, infact, they mean nothing in this war. SDVD could start selling hand over fist (which is probably will towards the very end of its life span) but it will still be replaced. I always see you bringing this up but it really means nothing, don't you think?
- High def of both flavours combined is under 4% of the total retail movie disc market.
Originally posted by vinny13:they could go back to playing video games as this is what blu was intended for
If there's so many Blu-Ray players, why would Blu-Ray be dumped? What would happen to the 6 million or so owners that bought one in the US alone?
Besides, how could HD-DVD possibly win if its been beaten every week of the year, INCLUDING THEIR EXCLUSIVE RELEASES?
Like, some guy has to be damn retarded to go with a format that sells less and will piss of a much larger group. Even when I ask random people at places at FutureShop and BestBuy they all say Blu-Ray is doing much better.
Quote:I would like to see what happens after this.
This upcoming week should be interesting to see considering Amazon and Best Buy have had BOGO sales running on HD DVD titles.
Since there's so many BOGO wit blu-ray you'd probably think that maybe the price of one Blu-ray movie is actually the amount of 2. So really a Blu-ray movie is about $15 a piece. Producing disc isnt too expensive. and if that were tru then HD-DVD had be rippin many ppl off witout offering alot of BOGO til now lol. Just my thought ehehe XD
Originally posted by 26r0cK:Lets not forget the week Bourne & Harry Potter launched they both was included for HD-DVD bogo sell & HD-DVD still didn't outsell BD that week minus no BD bogo that week, how much more does Warner & Universal need to make the switch.
Since there's so many BOGO wit blu-ray you'd probably think that maybe the price of one Blu-ray movie is actually the amount of 2. So really a Blu-ray movie is about $15 a piece. Producing disc isnt too expensive. and if that were tru then HD-DVD had be rippin many ppl off witout offering alot of BOGO til now lol. Just my thought ehehe XD
Originally posted by Rudeboi:what does ftw mean?
Blu-Ray FTW
Damn it. Im tired fo this. The article says Blu Ray still sold more than Hd dvd this week, here comes the fanatism yelling yeah but Sony this Sony that Sony's evil and Toshiba... give it a rest already. Panasonic got more patents we all know that. And also Disney and Fox support it so why I dont see people saying their just as evil as well? It gets tiring after a while to read the same thing over and over of how Sony's got an evil anti consumer plan and got such a tight grip in hollywood that it deliberatly 'forced' Fox, Disney, Apple, Panasonic and all the blu ray exclusives companies, to just release films on Blu Ray...
The public domain is a disgrace to the forces of evil says, SONY, DISNEY AND FOX! lets DRM everything and claim rights for 170 years so our culture does not advance unless we get PAID!
Originally posted by nextgen76:lets not forget that >7 million drm-ray players, vs <1 million hd-dvd players and there is only a 60/40 split in sold media nextgen.
Originally posted by 26r0cK:Lets not forget the week Bourne & Harry Potter launched they both was included for HD-DVD bogo sell & HD-DVD still didn't outsell BD that week minus no BD bogo that week, how much more does Warner & Universal need to make the switch.
Since there's so many BOGO wit blu-ray you'd probably think that maybe the price of one Blu-ray movie is actually the amount of 2. So really a Blu-ray movie is about $15 a piece. Producing disc isnt too expensive. and if that were tru then HD-DVD had be rippin many ppl off witout offering alot of BOGO til now lol. Just my thought ehehe XD
Originally posted by nobrainer:
sony, disney and fox are the MPAA they use piracy to scare monger ppl then make DRM secuROM, xcp and sell it to movie/game/cd makers and get paid from all sides and get fat while its the consumers that lose out as we are told we are pirates by sony for wanting to play our legally purchased cd's on our ipods because sony want 1 licence per device per user to quadruple their profits from each household, kinda like the military industrial complex.
Sony BMG's chief anti-piracy lawyer: "Copying" music you own is "stealing" October 02, 2007
funny look on copywrite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJn_jC4FNDo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKI_w_VBoTQ
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/12/29/ste...rt.html
As a person who supports both formats (I've got a PS3 and a HD DVD player), I don't see the problem with both of them beating the hell out of 1 another for the benefit of the consumer. I'll take a cheaper product if they fight it out to the bitter end and I hope they do. Why does it matter who really wins as long as the consumer wins in the end?
Both formats have pros and cons, but that's with everything. The average consumer who buys this stuff doesn't give a damn about the evil corporation behind it. Given half the chance, each corporation would fleece you and have you thrown in jail if you told them that they were backing up their movies. But, it's odd since Sony has the hard protection (BD+), that a lot of people are attacking them and saying they're unfair. Unfair is backing up a title from a video store or selling copies of the movie. Protecting your property is quite fair.
Originally posted by Franster:- True......right up until that CE corp's layers of pointless 'security' means that they have 'issues' with their own bought and paid for pieces of equipment not working properly with each other.
The average consumer who buys this stuff doesn't give a damn about the evil corporation behind it.
Quote:
BD-MV playback at HD quality has very strict copy protection integrated and managed by the Advanced
Access Content System License Administrator (AACS LA), and software manufacturers are required to
include the AACS key management in the play back software.
These AACS play back keys are only valid for a predefined and limited period of time. Customers
generally have to buy new AACS keys every 15 months.
With the Plextor PX-B900A/T3KB the customer can playback BD movies produced until April 2009.
To play back movies produced after April 2009, the customer has to purchase a renewal of the key.
Originally posted by Franster:- Well actually that's not right.
Given half the chance, each corporation would fleece you and have you thrown in jail if you told them that they were backing up their movies.
Originally posted by Franster:- It's a purpose designed POS software (with the possibility of infinite variation & rebuilding) coming from Sony (with their track-record).
But, it's odd since Sony has the hard protection (BD+), that a lot of people are attacking them and saying they're unfair.
Originally posted by Franster:- If only it were that simple.
Unfair is backing up a title from a video store or selling copies of the movie.
Originally posted by Franster:- Of course it is.
Protecting your property is quite fair.
And they say the war will be over soon. With a 60:40 split there's still a compelling reason to keep on fighting.
@ hughjars
RE: warner dropping DRM:
You forget that sony make many forms of DRM and sell it to these companies, where as Warner do not. Sony also a member of AASC LA stand to gain from the resale of aacs HeX codes and with the hacks destroying it even before release expect new codes every 90 days, and if you fail to update your hardware you will be blocked from all media from that point in time onwards!
AACS, HDMI HCDP and DB+ are the answer to the net problem that is impossible to stop so they are going to put DRM into all our hardware making all media content incompatible unless it has their watermark on it.
YAWN!..............
lol this is too funny! the same argument EVERY Blu Ray vs HD DVD article! same excuses on both sides! someone works figures 1 say some one else looks @ them another then someone brings PS3 & Xbox in . lol it is just funny! I have an HD DVD player (friend got it) i will probobly have a Blu Ray player in the next year i don't care as long as i get my damn movie in HD!
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Are you leaning Blu-ray or HD DVD in this brewing format war? These ten points make the case that Blu-ray is best.
December 05, 2007 | by Chuck McKenney
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9. You can get HD DVD on PC notebooks from Acer, HP, Gateway, and Toshiba with prices starting below $900. Product plans call for 5 million HD DVD-enabled notebooks expected in the market by the end of 2008.
10. HD DVD is the only next generation high-definition format approved by the DVD Forum, the same organization of companies that brought you the original DVD format.
http://www.electronichouse.com/article/t..._to_buy_blu_ray
HD-DVD point 2,4,5 are laughable.
@ NextGen76
What on earth does that post prove or add anything of value to this "conversation"?
If you think 2,4,and 5 are laughable for the HDDVD, what does that make all the other "claims" by the Blu Ray side?
That was the most useless and laughable post I have seen to date and shows your obvious bias.
I could care less which side "wins", I just don't understand why people act like they have some vested interest in making their choice be the one that wins.
I'm pulling for HD DVD, but if that doesn't happen, I'll still get up every morning and live my life. I suggest many should do the same already.
Originally posted by stumpied:I don't see anywhere on this tread were you added anything of value but your ranting & raving this is a Forum.If i was trying to be bias why would i add HD-DVD.This was nothing more than info that was given to that site from each format.Life has nothing to do about posting in a discussion forum its you that need to first learn what a forum is for Second put a hand brake over your mouth before you talk.
@ NextGen76
What on earth does that post prove or add anything of value to this "conversation"?
If you think 2,4,and 5 are laughable for the HDDVD, what does that make all the other "claims" by the Blu Ray side?
That was the most useless and laughable post I have seen to date and shows your obvious bias.
I could care less which side "wins", I just don't understand why people act like they have some vested interest in making their choice be the one that wins.
I'm pulling for HD DVD, but if that doesn't happen, I'll still get up every morning and live my life. I suggest many should do the same already.
If you're not bias or at least don't want to appear so, then why not point out the laughable points about the BD "superior storage capacity" or the bluray "safe buy" claims? What happens when all those players that are not profile 1.1 compliant are rendered useless?
Just cause you don't see me post a million times don't think i'm not knowledgable on the subject.
I just refrain from posting the same garbage over and over like some people every time they see an article with the words HD DVD or Blu Ray in the title.
To each their own though. . .keep posting what you wish.
F.. or T .. he .. W .. in :lol:
regardless.. hd is still for richs c**** so 95% of the planet really don't give a f***
+140 rp to varnull...
just gotta say.. that's still by far the best sig image on AD
I am so sick and tired of this Blue Ray vs. HD DVD bullshit. From what I remember I bought my HDTV for the enhanced look of my video games not movies. My regular DVDs play fine and are a whole lot cheaper. I already where glasses so why the hell would I be worried about watching an HD movie. But if I had to choose then I'd rather choose Toshiba's HD DVD over Sony's Blue Ray any day. I just can't support those money grubbing bastards over at Sony.
Wow, I've seen some lame claims in this 'debate' but that little list has to be one of the most laughable.
We're now just a few days away from the start of the end of all this.
Even Sony et al are winding down the rhetoric - and that ought to be indication enough that they know there is bad news coming for them.
Note the Fox senior exec who said after CES 2008 there would be one high def format.
Here is the quote -
Quote:
14th Dec 2007:
“The table is probably set for high-def in 2008,” says Dunn. “I think by CES it will be pretty clear there will be one format.”
I've said it before and I'll say it again...........
BOTH FORMATS ARE DEFINITIVELY HERE TO STAY FOR GOOD PEOPLE!!! Get ready to buy either 1. a blu-ray AND HD-DVD player or 2. a dual format player.
I don't see any way possible how HD-DVD could win this format "war".It's supported by basically one company. It takes triple layer discs to compete with a dual layer. It has few good exclusives. They're outsold every week. There are far more BR players in homes. I could go on and on with just this basic stuff. I've even noticed that every store I've been to(Wal-Marts, Targets, Futureshops, Best Buys, ect.) have a much larger selection of Blu-Ray titles and few HD-DVD titles.
The only thing going for them is lower production costs, but that's made up for by Blu-ray selling more and more titles.
Originally posted by vinny13:Bingo ! my friend, i have notice that best buy has put out a notice to all BB store to increase there BD section maybe they know something that we don't.While HD-DVD section don't even cover a half.
I don't see any way possible how HD-DVD could win this format "war".It's supported by basically one company. It takes triple layer discs to compete with a dual layer. It has few good exclusives. They're outsold every week. There are far more BR players in homes. I could go on and on with just this basic stuff. I've even noticed that every store I've been to(Wal-Marts, Targets, Futureshops, Best Buys, ect.) have a much larger selection of Blu-Ray titles and few HD-DVD titles.
The only thing going for them is lower production costs, but that's made up for by Blu-ray selling more and more titles.
Ya around here they have their own Blu-Ray display stands with little TVs talking about it and it also has just a few HD-DVDs on them because they had nowhere else to put them. The ratio in these stores are like 6:1.
Whatever!, Blu-ray is technologically superior to HD-DVD but they're both extremely COMPARABLE to the practical implementation of the end-user. The end-user wouldn't and shouldn't give a sh*t as long as the format has a large capacity, displays HD in 1080 and is supported for a long time. IF the end-user DOES CARE then they're just being a pain in the ass and looking to pick a fight and bitch about something............which is really nothing.
There are only about 60-70 more titles on Blu-ray than on HD-DVD and both formats have awesome movies. Granted, the selection on one may appeal to the masses a bit more, but this just goes without saying. HD-DVD is much more aggressive in it's marketing campaign and as I said ..............BOTH FORMATS ARE HERE TO STAY BOYS AND GIRLS!!!!
This is not a re-creation of the VHS/BETA issue. Similar but not the same. Now it's effortless to make a hardware player play both formats and thus an easy solution is totally tangible, in fact, PRACTICAL.
Oh........and that whole list is laughably stupid, just like the list creator is I'm sure.
Top 10 reasons to buy HD-DVD??
Gimme an F'en break. None on that list give a reason to buy HD-DVD over Blu-ray so what's the F'en point of making that list. That name should be changed to "Top 10 reasons to go HD" ....................DUMBASS!
Blah Blah Blah....!!! Here we go with idiots arguing on the net again. Point blank CDs are CDs, DVDs are DVDs, etc. I don't give a crap about the format war. As far as I'm concerned you 2 are arguing about a bunch of nothing. Let me put my point across plain and simple.....whether its dvd, hd dvd, or blu ray it's the same movie. Even the old movies remade into the new formats are the same damn movie. Is HD technology for movies a waste of time...yes (in my opinion). It's like watching porn on regular DVD and then watching it in HD..... I can care less about the freckles on her hooters....the point is that it's still a damn recognizable pair of big hooters that turn me on. You guys are arguing like you could recognize a bad boob job in hd or blu ray. My God!!!!
Dave Vaughn leaked the Nielsen numbers again this time at HD digest:
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=31587&page=77
For the week ending December 30, 2007:
BluRay - 61
HD DVD - 39
For the third week in a row it's 61:39 in favor of BluRay. That makes it a 2007 sweep for BluRay.
What surprised me is that even with the first 2 spots on the weekly Top 5 PLUS the big amazon HD DVD BOGO PLUS the Best Buy 3 for 2 deal, HD DVD couldn't muster a win.
Quote:I guess Dave was correct in suggesting that amazon doesn't move as much HDM numbers as B&M stores thus the limited effect of the BOGO.
Top 5:
The Kingdom
The Bourne Ultimatum
POTC 3
Simpsons Movie
Rush Hour 3
Originally posted by juankerr:Actually it's 54 weeks straight for BD including the last 2 weeks of 2006
For the week ending December 30, 2007:
BluRay - 61
HD DVD - 39
For the third week in a row it's 61:39 in favor of BluRay. That makes it a 2007 sweep for BluRay.
Originally posted by juankerr:I have a couple of theories:
What surprised me is that even with the first 2 spots on the weekly Top 5 PLUS the big amazon HD DVD BOGO PLUS the Best Buy 3 for 2 deal, HD DVD couldn't muster a win.
Interesting theories, eatsushi.
Dave also leaked the Top 20 overall bestsellers:
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=31587&page=93
1. 300 Blu-ray
2. TRANSFORMERS HD-DVD
3. POTC AT WORLDS END Blu-ray
4. CASINO ROYALE Blu-ray
5. PLANET EARTH HD DVD
6. BOURNE ULTIMATUM HD DVD
7. 300 HD DVD
8. SPIDER MAN 3 Blu-ray
9. PLANET EARTH Blu-ray
10. RATATOUILLE Blu-ray
11. POTC DEAD MANS CHEST Blu-ray
12. DEPARTED Blu-ray
13. HARRY POTTER ORDER OF THE PHOENIX Blu-ray
14. POTC BLACK PEARL Blu-ray
15. LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD Blu-ray
16. BATMAN BEGINS HD-DVD
17. APOCALYPTO Blu-ray
18. HP ORDER OF THE PHOENIX HD DVD
19. FF2 RISE OF SILVER SURFER Blu-ray
20. SIMPSONS MOVIE Blu-ray
Only six of the top 20 are HD DVD - 3 exclusive and 3 dual format.
This proves that Hughjars logic makes no sense.
According to Reuters Warner is going BluRay exclusive:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080104/tc_n...QnU3yRg_k2s0NUE
Quote:
"The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger. We believe that exclusively distributing in Blu-ray will further the potential for mass market success and ultimately benefit retailers, producers, and most importantly, consumers," Warner Bros Chairman and Chief Executive Barry Meyer said in a statement.
Warner said it would continue releasing in the HD DVD format until the end of May, although those releases would follow the standard DVD and Blu-ray releases.
Ummmmmmm...................a "sweep" as you said 'juankerr' means NOTHING SOLD FOR HD-DVD. Just like a world series 'sweep' means one team wins all. Those numbers are meaningless regarding whether or not one stays or goes. They are both substantial numbers..............too substantial to have one go away.
Besides HD-DVD has not made one single ad that I have ever seen. No commercials no paper ads. Blu-ray has heavily done so and of course they are selling more. It's to be expected by anyone that doesn't have their head up their arse. Fortunately those who do KNOW WHO YOU ARE. They are both here to stay and everyone better get the idea in their head that dual format players or having two players is going to be a necessity.
"Sweep" my ass....................PUTO!
"Sweep" means 52 weeks for BluRay - zero for HD DVD.
Originally posted by juankerr:Here's the article from HD Digest:
According to Reuters Warner is going BluRay exclusive:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080104/tc_n...QnU3yRg_k2s0NUE
Quote:
"The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger. We believe that exclusively distributing in Blu-ray will further the potential for mass market success and ultimately benefit retailers, producers, and most importantly, consumers," Warner Bros Chairman and Chief Executive Barry Meyer said in a statement.
Warner said it would continue releasing in the HD DVD format until the end of May, although those releases would follow the standard DVD and Blu-ray releases.
Quote:
Breaking: Warner Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 04:01 PM ET
It's official: Warner has announced it will drop its support of the HD DVD format, and will begin releasing its next-gen titles on Blu-ray exclusively.
Originally posted by tester22:No need for personal attacks.
"Sweep" my ass....................PUTO!
This is crap and I will find out EXACTLY what's up with those trumped up 'lists' that you all keep posting. First, NOT A DAMN website has properly or accurately sited Nielsen's supposed "list of high def. DVD sales" and seconds, none of you generally site either. So until someone can actually show ON NIELSEN'S SITE AS TO THE SALES OF ONE VS. ANOTHER, then PIPE THE F' DOWN. I have sent an email and put a call into the director of marketing for Nielsen's Videoscan department and we will truly find out. In the meantime, that BS list that 'juankerr' dropped like a stinking load doesn't seem to be the same as what's on Nielsen's site which are shown as "DVD sales" in general.
1 -- The Simpsons Movie TWENTIETH CENTURY FOX HOME ENT 12-18-2007
2 1 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix WARNER HOME VIDEO 12-11-2007
3 2 Bourne Ultimatum UNIVERSAL HOME ENTERTAINMENT 12-11-2007
4 4 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End DISNEY/BUENA VISTA HOME VIDEO 12-04-2007
5 3 High School Musical 2 DISNEY/BUENA VISTA HOME VIDEO 12-11-2007
6 5 Superbad SONY PICTURES HOME ENTT 12-04-2007
7 -- Underdog DISNEY/BUENA VISTA HOME VIDEO 12-18-2007
8 8 Ratatouille DISNEY/BUENA VISTA HOME VIDEO 11-06-2007
9 7 Planet Earth - The Complete Collection WARNER HOME VIDEO 04-24-2007
10 -- Halloween GENIUS PRODUCTS INC 12-18-2007
The DVD sales you listed are regular DVD sales - not high-def media (HD DVD or BluRay). For up to date Nielsen numbers for HD DVD and BluRay subscribe to Home Media Magazine or get their weekly digital edition:
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/
OR watch the weekly numbers as leaked by Dave Vaughn at avsforums or highdefdigest.com.
The problem is they may not mean that much in a few months now that Warner has announced BluRay exclusivity.
And that's BS too...........sweep in one year???????????? Why don't you just sway the facts to favour you all the time like...........in the past 60 minutes, 100 days or 4 full moons ago. Sweep applies to the ENTIRE FRAKKIN' TIME. Up until the end of 2006 or early 2007 (when BD started actually advertising, HD-DVD was doing better and quite well overall. They are BOTH HERE TO STAY and those that honestly believe that if one wins.........then the other will fold and revamp their manufacturing line. ppfffttt. Some people really are twits and good thing they generally don't go into business for themselves.
Ask yourselves this..........If you were President or CEO or inventor of HD-DVD, at 35-40% the sales of a competitor..........would you fold? Yeah....right.......good thing that those who actually say "yes" aren't running Apple, who by the way only has ABOUT 10% of the market.
Originally posted by eatsushi:
The DVD sales you listed are regular DVD sales - not high-def media (HD DVD or BluRay). For up to date Nielsen numbers for HD DVD and BluRay subscribe to Home Media Magazine or get their weekly digital edition:
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/
OR watch the weekly numbers as leaked by Dave Vaughn at avsforums or highdefdigest.com.
The problem is they may not mean that much in a few months now that Warner has announced BluRay exclusivity.
They arn't both here to stay because they are 2 very different formats even though they produce the same outcome. It's not like DVD-R and DVD+R... I still don't know what the difference is between the 2.
That's why they're both here to stay. Paramount presently only backs HD-DVD and others could change too. Blu-ray requires a complete revamp of the existing manuf'g lines of DVD stamping and therefore that is why some will not go that route.
Here's the official announcement from Warner:
http://www.timewarner.com/corp/newsroom/...1700383,00.html
Quote:
In response to consumer demand, Warner Bros. Entertainment will release its high-definition DVD titles exclusively in the Blu-ray disc format beginning later this year, it was announced today by Barry Meyer, Chairman & CEO, Warner Bros. and Kevin Tsujihara, President, Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Group.
"Warner Bros.' move to exclusively release in the Blu-ray disc format is a strategic decision focused on the long term and the most direct way to give consumers what they want," said Meyer. "The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger. We believe that exclusively distributing in Blu-ray will further the potential for mass market success and ultimately benefit retailers, producers, and most importantly, consumers."
Warner Home Video will continue to release its titles in standard DVD format and Blu-ray. After a short window following their standard DVD and Blu-ray releases, all new titles will continue to be released in HD DVD until the end of May 2008.
"Warner Bros. has produced in both high-definition formats in an effort to provide consumer choice, foster mainstream adoption and drive down hardware prices," said Jeff Bewkes, President and Chief Executive Officer, Time Warner Inc., the parent company of Warner Bros. Entertainment. "Today's decision by Warner Bros. to distribute in a single format comes at the right time and is the best decision both for consumers and Time Warner."
"A two-format landscape has led to consumer confusion and indifference toward high definition, which has kept the technology from reaching mass adoption and becoming the important revenue stream that it can be for the industry," said Tsujihara. "Consumers have clearly chosen Blu-ray, and we believe that recognizing this preference is the right step in making this great home entertainment experience accessible to the widest possible audience. Warner Bros. has worked very closely with the Toshiba Corporation in promoting high definition media and we have enormous respect for their efforts. We look forward to working with them on other projects in the future."
Originally posted by tester22:Dude just kill it.Its over so lets move on numbers isn't important right now because we have gotten the results.So that proved the numbers wasn't fud as you say.
That's why they're both here to stay. Paramount presently only backs HD-DVD and others could change too. Blu-ray requires a complete revamp of the existing manuf'g lines of DVD stamping and therefore that is why some will not go that route.
@tester22
Knock it off and chill. There is no need for personal attacks. Just because they call it a 'format war' doesn't mean to do so literally.
Originally posted by binkie7:Ya jeez...
@tester22
Knock it off and chill. There is no need for personal attacks. Just because they call it a 'format war' doesn't mean to do so literally.