No PS3 pricecut for Christmas, says Sony

Who even cares. Its even more cheaper to purchase a PS3 than a blu-ray player.

Sony has all the specs to say they have the best value. There is really no arguement against that from another company. The problem is making that message understandable for the myriad of rabbid soccer moms that will invade retailers with NO knowledge of any console and what it offers.

The PS3 is great for its price. A price cut would be ridiculous, as the PS3 is the cheapest way for a Blu-Ray player and more. The people out there aren't thinking reasonably, Sony will probably lose money if they cut the price.

the consumer cares, lower prices are alwyas better so it means you can get more games/accessories

A blu player can be had for $149 on "black friday".. whatever that is (according to other posters).. and they are between £250-300 here.. Less than a ps3..

Looks like sony want to hang on to the coveted 3rd place. At least it keeps their bloggers busy making up numbers and pulling the wool.
Life just wouldn't be the same if they had a success with a media format.. that's just so not sony's style.

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So, in effect, Sony are perfectly happy with the price that the PS3 currently sells for, with the current price point allowing the console to sell in large numbers, but still giving Sony the chance to make some sort of profit on it. The Playstation 3 has already cost Sony $3 billion, so profitability has got to be a key concern at this point in time, even if it means sales take a bit of a hit.

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thats the thing varnul, the US get rebates, and special deals on thanks givings etc, we in the UK get ripped off as it is.

drop that PS3 to £225, and sony are laughing.

(be it even a core model, so long as it has blueray and the wifi)

Sure its a great value...unless you're still not caring about blu-ray yet.

the ps3 now has dts hd decoder wich the samsungg p1500 has not, ps3 will remain to be the greatest deal when it comes to blu-ray. the ps3 has a fine price, i mean it doens't have a ring with red ligths and .. wait a minute only that makes it worth the extra money.

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A blu player can be had for $149 on "black friday".. whatever that is (according to other posters).. and they are between £250-300 here.. Less than a ps3..

Looks like sony want to hang on to the coveted 3rd place. At least it keeps their bloggers busy making up numbers and pulling the wool.
Life just wouldn't be the same if they had a success with a media format.. that's just so not sony's style.

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So, in effect, Sony are perfectly happy with the price that the PS3 currently sells for, with the current price point allowing the console to sell in large numbers, but still giving Sony the chance to make some sort of profit on it. The Playstation 3 has already cost Sony $3 billion, so profitability has got to be a key concern at this point in time, even if it means sales take a bit of a hit.

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No price cut b4 Christmas ? I still betting on a price cut at Chtistmas in this recession (to help sales) !

Originally posted by spamual:

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thats the thing varnul, the US get rebates, and special deals on thanks givings etc, we in the UK get ripped off as it is.

drop that PS3 to £225, and sony are laughing.

(be it even a core model, so long as it has blueray and the wifi)

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well i say core from the 360 but call it what ever, HDDs cost nowt these days, include a 40GB one, keep wifi, reduce USBs, take out bluetooth, other more unneccesacery things, wait for thr 45nm chips to kick in, and get to £225, and they will be lapping up sales.

Now that Sony is entrenched into 3rd place it seems that their strategy has shifted from trying to sell the most hardware but rather trying to sell hardware at a cost that actually makes them a profit like Nintendo.

I read an article about 6 months ago about how they were breaking even on sales of the 40GB PS3. Manufacturing costs had to have come down somewhat since then and yet the price of the system is still the same. I wonder if they're making a small profit on each unit sold yet.

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No price cut b4 Christmas ? I still betting on a price cut at Chtistmas in this recession (to help sales) !

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If Sony doesn't cut their price by at least Christmas Microsoft and Nintendo will decimate them. They keep this "we're not gonna lower the price" attitude, but we and they know that things are in trying times right now and people just don't have $400 to spend on a piece of hardware that may not satisfy them. I hope they don't drop the price, just so Microsoft can keep grabbing market share. We need to support REAL gamer machines like the 360.

i think its a dumb move by $ony not to give the ps3 a price cut seeing how the global economy is nowadays.
now, this christmas belongs to the 360.
since like someone mentioned, most soccer moms are the ones that invade malls to shop for a deal not for no specs, they barely want kids to play videogames to begin with.

and to think of all the poor kids who will have to suffer through wii sports on Xmas day instead of enjoying a true next gen experience. At least with the 360 they could have some of the features this generation offers... Assuming mom can accurately navigate the sku's well enough to minimize the chance of an RROD and to finally understand what a HDD is and it's value to everyone who calls themself a gamer.

A lot of people think sony is crazy for not dropping the price of the PS3 since Microsoft had across the board cuts. I have been preaching this for a while and I will continue to. Sony can not afford to drop the price and it will not happen anytime soon. Why not??? Ok lets see...People say the PS3 is the best bargain yet people wonder why they dont drop the price. Ok how bout the Blueray player, cell processor, built in Wifi. This is new technology and it drives the production cost of the PS3 up. People talk about the 360 but they give the consumer a choice of what to buy and how much they want to spend. That is the price you have to pay for next generation technology.

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Who even cares. Its even more cheaper to purchase a PS3 than a blu-ray player.

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A price cut would be ridiculous, as the PS3 is the cheapest way for a Blu-Ray player and more.

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Sony has all the specs to say they have the best value. There is really no arguement against that from another company. The problem is making that message understandable for the myriad of rabbid soccer moms that will invade retailers with NO knowledge of any console and what it offers.

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Who ever keeps on bringing up a recession you forget its Mainly only the US in the Economical shitter, but what else is new we have had 16 1-4 year recession's. in 1873 A 23 year depression, and in 1929 a 10 year depression.

Besides we were promised games, yet i still don't see decent exclusive's don't even bring up MGS. thats one where are the others.

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well i say core from the 360 but call it what ever, HDDs cost nowt these days, include a 40GB one, keep wifi, reduce USBs, take out bluetooth, other more unneccesacery things, wait for thr 45nm chips to kick in, and get to £225, and they will be lapping up sales.

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Considering what's in the box, the PS3 is already pretty cheap, so I also don't see a reason for Sony to drop the price.

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Originally posted by spamual:

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well i say core from the 360 but call it what ever, HDDs cost nowt these days, include a 40GB one, keep wifi, reduce USBs, take out bluetooth, other more unneccesacery things, wait for thr 45nm chips to kick in, and get to £225, and they will be lapping up sales.

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The controllers operate via bluetooth, so getting rid of it probably isn't a good idea ^.^' And you would be surprised how many usb ports you will need to use; 4 isn't enough some of the time and I don't want to get a hub and risk overloading the port and frying one of the usb's.

There isn't too much more they can cut off of the 40gig which a lot of people didn't want, which is why they gave it the axe in favor of an almost identical one but with a 160gb hdd. I saw a 40gig for the first time a few weeks ago at best buy out of the box and imo it looked very cheaply made compared to my 60gig and its fit and finish was an immediate turnoff.

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A price cut would be ridiculous, as the PS3 is the cheapest way for a Blu-Ray player and more.

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but please stop posting with these lies about the PS3 being the cheapest way to go blue-ray.
It is not. I just came from walmart. My cousin went to buy NBA 2k8 for his PS3 and while there we say blueray players as low as $240 and i am sure if i really tried i could find one for less than $200 US dollars. Facts....keep them real.

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Originally posted by lxhotboy:

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The best value is in the eye of the consumer. Everyone is different and the consumers decide which is the best value.

Wii--------number 1 in sales
Xbox360----number 2 in sales
PS3--------number 3 in sales

The consumers have spoken.

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Wii-
1st America
1st Europe
1st Japan

PS3-
3rd America
2nd Europe
2nd Japan

360-
2nd America
3rd Europe
3rd Japan

Wii = 1st with all 1st places
PS3 = 2nd with 2 / 2nd places & 1 3rd (but gaining every month)
360 = 3rd with 2 / 3rd places and 1 / 2nd (losing ground every month & dead RROD 360's being counted as working consoles = funny #'s ~ FACT)

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Originally posted by oner:

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Yes the consumers have spoken and this is what they actually say (since it can always change)

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Wii-
1st America
1st Europe
1st Japan

PS3-
3rd America
2nd Europe
2nd Japan

360-
2nd America
3rd Europe
3rd Japan

Wii = 1st with all 1st places
PS3 = 2nd with 2 / 2nd places & 1 3rd (but gaining every month)
360 = 3rd with 2 / 3rd places and 1 / 2nd (losing ground every month & dead RROD 360's being counted as working consoles = funny #'s ~ FACT)

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This coupled with the fact that the PS3 has outsold the 360 in 2006, 2007 and so far the majority of 2008 shows a different scope than what you have said. If you want to just go by overall number than that is one way to look at it. But when you break down each localization it shows a clearer more exact over view. Either way though, at the end of the day it works out best for all of us. Price cuts = more competitive pricing (hopefully), more games, more options & more capabilities to be offered by all the companies involved.

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30 Sep 2008
Despite that, PS3 sales throughout the last year have increased dramatically, keeping in line with 360 sales during the period. Both consoles sold around a million units between last September and now, with the PS3 install base rising from 0.4 million to 1.4 million.

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29 September 2008

ChartTrack have released some hard, useful sales data for the British market, in the form of lifetime sales figures for the current generation of both home and portable consoles. As of this month, the PS3 has sold 1.4 million units. The 360 has sold 2.3 million. The Wii, however, has both trumped, nearly outnumbering the competition combined at a healthy 3.6 million sold (Wii). And the handhelds? Nowhere near as close. The PSP has sold 2.9 million units, while the DS has sold a whopping 7.1 million.

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360
consoles sold
20,647,463

PS3
consoles sold
11,648,355

Wii
consoles sold
23,530,801

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he was showing 2008 sales, not over all sales....

Well, the fear of a global recession was across the headlines last week as we saw the market (US and overseas) slowly fall down the crapper. But it looks like enough money is being pumped into US banks to stave off a recession/depression. Britain, Germany, France and other European pledged to pump $1.3 trillion into their banks. Does this change spending habits now? I don't think so. If in getting from point "A" to point "B" I had to walk along the edge of a cliff, and I lost my footing along the way, almost falling to sudden death, every step afterward would probably be taken with the utmost care and extreme caution.

The fear of a recession is going to be on everyones mind for a while, even after the coast is clear. Just because the PS3 may be worth the pricetag from a hardware perspective, doesn't mean people are ready to fork over that amount of cash. I have a feeling that while people aren't going to abandon their holiday shopping altogether, their wallets are going to close up a bit. People are going to want their Dollar to stretch as far as it can. Black Friday will be used to get more for less in the most literal sense - people establishing a solid budget, seeing how much they can get with $200, $300, $400, etc. Not just looking for one specific deal. I can definitely see 360's outdoing the PS3 and holding onto a strong lead going into the Spring. Just my speculation.

@ emugamer

they are nationalising the debt while the profitable parts of the companies/banks are remaining private.

all this will do is steal more monies from our public services which will have to be made up elsewhere, stealth taxes ect. the tax payer is paying to prop up the banks, it's nothing more than day light robbery.

regardless of everyone's pensions crashing because of the banks, hedge funds ect, it's the inflation in the UK that is the immediate dent in ppl's pockets.

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@ emugamer

they are nationalising the debt while the profitable parts of the companies/banks are remaining private.

all this will do is steal more monies from our public services which will have to be made up elsewhere, stealth taxes ect. the tax payer is paying to prop up the banks, it's nothing more than day light robbery.

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he was showing 2008 sales, not over all sales....

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Spin

In public relations, spin is sometimes a pejorative term signifying a heavily biased portrayal in one's own favour of an event or situation. While traditional public relations may also rely on creative presentation of the facts, "spin" often, though not always, implies disingenuous, deceptive and/or highly manipulative tactics. Politicians are often accused of spin by commentators and political opponents, when they produce a counter argument or position.

The techniques of "spin" include Selectively presenting facts and quotes that support one's position (cherry picking), the so-called "non-denial denial," Phrasing in a way that assumes unproven truths, euphemisms for drawing attention away from items considered distasteful, and ambiguity in public statements. Another spin technique involves careful choice of timing in the release of certain news so it can take advantage of prominent events in the news.

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but you also shows overall sales, also he didnt mention the UK in his figured, he mentions EU/US/JP...

talk about spin....

look mate, your very outspoken and clearly hate sony, so why post any ways, we know your feelings.

yes point me out to like sony, but i couldnt care less im a PC gamer, i dont have to be restricted by crap consoles.

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Originally posted by lxhotboy:

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The best value is in the eye of the consumer. Everyone is different and the consumers decide which is the best value.

Wii--------number 1 in sales
Xbox360----number 2 in sales
PS3--------number 3 in sales

The consumers have spoken.

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Yes the consumers have spoken and this is what they actually say (since it can always change)

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Wii-
1st America
1st Europe
1st Japan

PS3-
3rd America
2nd Europe
2nd Japan

360-
2nd America
3rd Europe
3rd Japan

Wii = 1st with all 1st places
PS3 = 2nd with 2 / 2nd places & 1 3rd (but gaining every month)
360 = 3rd with 2 / 3rd places and 1 / 2nd (losing ground every month & dead RROD 360's being counted as working consoles = funny #'s ~ FACT)

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This coupled with the fact that the PS3 has outsold the 360 in 2006, 2007 and so far the majority of 2008 shows a different scope than what you have said. If you want to just go by overall number than that is one way to look at it. But when you break down each localization it shows a clearer more exact over view. Either way though, at the end of the day it works out best for all of us. Price cuts = more competitive pricing (hopefully), more games, more options & more capabilities to be offered by all the companies involved.

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good point, very good point. propaganda :D

Considering you can get an xbox 360 arcade and a refurbished 20 gig hdd for 220 bucks it think its definetly a hell of a deal.Blu-ray is not distinguished enough from 720p. I mean lets be serious price point is not whats selling these consoles. The wii is dominating and its not the cheapest console or best bargain.

13thHour you post about credibility when referencing sales #'s, yet you use NexGen Wars? At least VGChartz is within 5% if NPD!

The Truth About Nexgenwars.com

Now THAT is hypocrisy at it's finest! Plus Sony & Nintendo use SOLD to customers sales numbers.


lxhotboy the thread topic is about a PS3. That is why I posted my reply. In my #'s information it OBVIOUSLY shows the Wii on top in total sales along with each territory so I don't know how that can be misconstrued. Simple Really. As far as my "eagerness" in your opinion, again the THREAD TOPIC is about the PS3, I think that explains the reason why I am discussing the PS3. Just as I have done many a time before for the PS2, Xbox, PSP and others.

I like my PS3, Wii & 360 (there are more than just those in my possession also) they just have different strengths and weaknesses. I guess my thousands of posts and dedication to the CONSOLE forums means nothing to some....whatever, take it which ever way you want. You can't please everyone all the time.

What I would like to add though, is it not true the PS3 has outsold the 360 in 2006, 2007 and most of 2008 so far? Did not the 360 have a 10 million+ 1 year lead that is now only around 5 million? Yes the PS3 & 360 have both been surpassed by a less expensive console, but it is more accurate that the 360 lost more "face" since it had a 1 year head start, had more than 10 million consoles out there AND was less expensive than a PS3? That to me shows a clear explanation of what consumers are trying to say.

Look the bottom line is I have more disdain towards M$ (this is true) for not JUST the 360. But for Windows 95, 98, ME, Vista, Zune, Internet Explorer ALONG WITH the absolutely horrible hardware they have with the 360 and how they have screwed customers with inferior parts (please read this about how Ms knew about RROD and had a 68% assembly line defect rate). That's it. Nothing about "bad graphics" on the 360 (as I have never said that nor agree with it), or how every 360 game is "bad" no matter what (again I have never said that nor beleive that at all). So you can beleive what "some" say about me but it would be better to ask me directly. Only then you will get the CORRECT answer.

@ oner

I can respect that. I see your point.

whats wrong with vista?

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whats wrong with vista?

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Greenberg did have a dig at Sony, saying that they do not expect people to pay for something (BD) that they do not need.

What about Vista and all the corporations that insist on sticking with XP? They feel they don't "want to pay for something they don't need."

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Not a thing wrong with fista

im glad there's no price cut. anything to keep the parents from buying the PS3 for christmas thus keep immature little kids off the playstation network is fine by me.

well tbh unless your gaming there is no need to go out and buy vista, if you have XP but if you are doing a new build then vista 64 is fantasic. DX10 looks fantastic on crysis (inc warhead) and mainly stalker clear sky, btu also if you want 2 4870X2s or TRI SLI then you need vista aswell.

i guess each to their own though, my vista loads much quicker than my XP dual boot, and most things are faster in vista (bar large file transfers) BUT tbh im using a slower disc for XP and havent booted up into XP for over a good 4-5 months now :D

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Not a thing wrong with fista

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Originally posted by grkblood:

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im glad there's no price cut. anything to keep the parents from buying the PS3 for christmas thus keep immature little kids off the playstation network is fine by me.

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Ah i see anti M$ posts are allowed to stay without being edited what a surprise.

BTW oner i also gave OFFICIAL ChartTrack numbers, which you decided to leave out (cherry picking) as it shows the real story, the PS3 may well be selling more in 2008 week by week but it is still playing catch up to the 360 and both of them are getting their buts kicked by the WII with both hardware and software slaes then you have the DS that has sold more than both the psp, 360 and ps3 combined.


Expect a price cut ppl this is normal Sony, double speak, Spin.

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Ah i see anti M$ posts are allowed to stay without being edited what a surprise.

BTW oner i also gave OFFICIAL ChartTrack numbers, which you decided to leave out (cherry picking) as it shows the real story, the PS3 may well be selling more in 2008 week by week but it is still playing catch up to the 360 and both of them are getting their buts kicked by the WII with both hardware and software slaes then you have the DS that has sold more than both the psp, 360 and ps3 combined.
Expect a price cut ppl this is normal Sony, double speak, Spin.

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IMO vista 64> all preceeding OSes, but then i have never had a problem, bar nvidia early 64bit SLI drivers.

now AMD crossfire drivers are rocking :D

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Ah i see anti M$ posts are allowed to stay without being edited what a surprise.

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