Piracy is unstoppable, says ISP CEO

The media industry is stupid. This proves it.

Originally posted by Morreale:

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The media industry is stupid. This proves it.

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education doesn't work, being tough doesn't work, cheaper price doesn't work, DRM doesn't work, rootkit doesn't work.

Some people are just too cheap to ever buy anything especially if they can get it for free. Your never convert them.

Putting people in jail is the only thing that works, but as soon as they are release, they go back to there old habits.

i think if its for personal use they shouldnt bother them but
its for profit then they should punish them

Finally, some sense. Props to this guy, shame that TalkTalk sucks.

Originally posted by jony218:

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education doesn't work, being tough doesn't work, cheaper price doesn't work, DRM doesn't work, rootkit doesn't work.

Some people are just too cheap to ever buy anything especially if they can get it for free. Your never convert them.

Putting people in jail is the only thing that works, but as soon as they are release, they go back to there old habits.

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They need to stay out of our bedrooms and only break the door down if we are selling copy righted goods out the window...

The only time piracy is going to stop is when buying software or movies you are going to get a better deal then the pirated versions.

Not just about having lower pricess in software and movies but also say you own a dvd movie and you damage the disc you should get a replacment from the store.

This is not going to happen. So pircay will never go away.

The truth is pirates provide a better deal.

Whats this that pircay hurts the economy or movie makers.

If piracy really was doing any damage you would not have actors making millions per movie, or movies having such high budgets.

Piracy is not doing anything. Maybe instead of having 100 million dollars they 98 million dollars.

Originally posted by Adamontar:

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The only time piracy is going to stop is when buying software or movies you are going to get a better deal then the pirated versions.

Not just about having lower pricess in software and movies but also say you own a dvd movie and you damage the disc you should get a replacment from the store.

This is not going to happen. So pircay will never go away.

The truth is pirates provide a better deal.

Whats this that pircay hurts the economy or movie makers.

If piracy really was doing any damage you would not have actors making millions per movie, or movies having such high budgets.

Piracy is not doing anything. Maybe instead of having 100 million dollars they 98 million dollars.

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@jony

Putting people in jail is the only thing that works?
Did I read that right?

making it cheaper to buy legit will bring people back. At least that is my 2 cents

Only two would be able to stop it: God, and the Devil (AntiChrist).

And the RIAA is neither.

Originally posted by windsong:

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Only two would be able to stop it: God, and the Devil (AntiChrist).

And the RIAA is neither.

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they is always teh case of me buying a cd and or dvd and copying it for a friend but i suppose since im not making profit its still is illegal to copy a disk for a friend

Ultimately, he's correct. If someone, anyone, wants to do something bad enough, they'll find away. And some of the minds on the scene are some of the most brilliant minds out there.
Bottom line, he's correct. Media companies need to provide a benefit from purchasing legit material. They need to provide incentive, and everybody, ISP's including, should press the issue of copyright education.

I personally download movies, if its good I will go see it in the cinema/buy in BD after but there is noway that I will waste money for no reason. Trailers are no go as they only highlight the best possible pasts of a movie.

I only download for me, I never back up to disk.

Originally posted by fidge6679:

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I personally download movies, if its good I will go see it in the cinema/buy in BD after but there is noway that I will waste money for no reason. Trailers are no go as they only highlight the best possible parts of a movie.

I only download for me, I never back up to disk.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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They need to stay out of our bedrooms and only break the door down if we are selling copy righted goods out the window...

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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They need to stay out of our bedrooms and only break the door down if we are selling copy righted goods out the window...

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I hear you they need to keep there nose in there own buisness

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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They need to stay out of our bedrooms and only break the door down if we are selling copy righted goods out the window...

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I hear you they need to keep there nose in there own buisness

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Their noses are to busy following white lines.... >>

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killing is crime..one can get vene life imprisonment because of this..
still people are killing others even just for fun....
atleast piracy ll nt get u life imprisonment. :P

Originally posted by platdream:

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killing is crime..one can get vene life imprisonment because of this..
still people are killing others even just for fun....
atleast piracy ll nt get u life imprisonment. :P

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Except for pricing, the media has been very smart. Please note... they are trying to force others to do the policing without any support from them. They LOVE to dump on the world! That is what the do best. They started with the artists, then the public, now industry. Forcing the ISPs to go on a fool's errand for them without any assistance from them is all part of their game plan. They don't care how much it costs as long as they don't pay for it, other than bribing the politicians. That they must do anyway to keep all the unjust laws inplace.

I forgot China!
They have just made a law to rid China from piracy lol!

All computers sold in China will have IP blockers. I guess they think persons would never remove the software. That is what happens when old farts make all the laws.

Originally posted by Mez:

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Except for pricing, the media has been very smart. Please note... they are trying to force others to do the policing without any support from them. They LOVE to dump on the world! That is what the do best. They started with the artists, then the public, now industry. Forcing the ISPs to go on a fool's errand for them without any assistance from them is all part of their game plan. They don't care how much it costs as long as they don't pay for it, other than bribing the politicians. That they must do anyway to keep all the unjust laws inplace.

I forgot China!
They have just made a law to rid China from piracy lol!

All computers sold in China will have IP blockers. I guess they think persons would never remove the software. That is what happens when old farts make all the laws.

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I wonder what ways they're talking about that people can share their content, if the loons in government pass a French 3 strikes law in America.

fidge6679, I missed your post on the first read.

Good for you!

they have 3 strike in usa but i go to public library and download all what i need haaaaaaahaaa

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Originally posted by windsong:

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Only two would be able to stop it: God, and the Devil (AntiChrist).

And the RIAA is neither.

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Just wait till world governments let them police media infringement!
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Originally posted by windsong:

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Only two would be able to stop it: God, and the Devil (AntiChrist).

And the RIAA is neither.

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Just wait till world governments let them police media infringement!
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Copyright Concentration Camp???

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I love the MPAA's way of thinking, we are losing money so why not make the isp's lose money by making them cut off paying customers. How long does the MPAA expect the ISP's will cooperate when they see how much money they will lose, by cutting off a good chunk of their customers?

Speaking at TalkTalk's quarterly conference call, Dunstone added:

"If you try speed humps or disconnections for peer-to-peer, people will simply either disguise their traffic or share the content another way."

Does anyone know what he's talking about?

Originally posted by H_Seldon:

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Speaking at TalkTalk's quarterly conference call, Dunstone added:

"If you try speed humps or disconnections for peer-to-peer, people will simply either disguise their traffic or share the content another way."

Does anyone know what he's talking about?

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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@jony

Putting people in jail is the only thing that works?
Did I read that right?

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well piracy is not the only thing that is loosing money , look at the actors , the singer and their agent who make fat cash just signing a deal for 5 mins , and then bleed ordinary people for high priced media content , no matter what happens pirates were , are , and will always be there , the only way you can fight is summon to what everybody wants cheaper media content , if you fight with fire then you will be fought equally

As everyone with a brain knows.

I see Sarkosy's attempt to grovel to the entertainemnt industry has fallen flat on it's face too -

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The French judiciary has ridden to the rescue of the country's web users, striking down a controversial new law which would have allowed the state to cut off the internet connections of illegal filesharers for up to a year.

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Probably suing person with digital music or videos or pictures on their ipod. At least trying to turn the world into a police state. They hope that will intise people to buy more of their over priced wares.

Interestx the guardian link was interesting - I had hopes in the beginning for Sarkosy, but I see he's gone the way of every democratic dictator.
There was a story about 4oD, but then I found you have to be a resident of the U.K. to watch all this great television. I'm trying to figure out a way around this restriction. The U.S. has got a lot of free online product, but again you have to live in the U.S.
Only when we all figure out how to access this content from anywhere in the world will they drop their attempts to restrict us from getting it.
Same with downloading - only when we all know how to disguise our traffic will they allow us to get it without fear of their dogs and boots.

H_Seldon, the trouble with disguising traffic is that if you use a large band width, the ISPs will investigate. That is what got the torrents in trouble. They were using over 70% of the worlds band width at their high point. It is like trying to hide a house in a vegitable patch.

They will be after news groups next.

Originally posted by Mez:

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H_Seldon, the trouble with disguising traffic is that if you use a large band width, the ISPs will investigate. That is what got the torrents in trouble. They were using over 70% of the worlds band width at their high point. It is like trying to hide a house in a vegitable patch.

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Finally someone with some common sense, hes right u cant stop it, and the more they push to get these ridiculous laws passed, the more ppl wanna do it. Especially when pc, electronics, etc are always getting produced everyday. More pcs = greater possiblity of piracy. Personally if I produced a cd and it was uploaded, I would feel honored, that ppl like the music

As much as I hate the whole darn copyrights issue, my ISP, MEDIACOM, dinged me for a total of FOUR DAYS OFFLINE after my son downloaded a copy of underworld to preview (he since bought the entire series). So you see, they do get the isp to do the work for them. Mediacom said that if they didn't ding us then they could be shut down by the FCC ??? And this is after they collected over $200. for our internet, phone and TV services (makes ATT look better all the time.)

The films of Georges Méliès were pirated before 1900.
Basically, film pirating is as old as film.
It may be a crime, but no one has ever been able to stop it and never will.

The system has taught us to be money hungry and greedy, now that we are, they want us to be slaves from their establishment. No wonder why this world is in deep economical trouble, I don't think it's piracy, the bottom line problem relies only in a growing few group of greedy people that want to get richer at any cost. look at the Housing fiasco, at the Automotive 'con man' Industries, at the Communication Industries..( those peoples aren't in jail ), ect.

These problems are way much of impact for the world economics than for a few ones sharing or stealing media content. This is all materialistics.

There is a new p2p app in town called BitBlender. It bakes both Uploading and Downloading totally anonymous. Its FREE to boot. Take that RIAA now nothing can stop it.

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vudoo, is BitBlender a 'simple p2p' darknet? Meaning it is a one step process like Lime Wire that is heavily encrypted and only responds to someone you know. They are good in that they are encrypted and because not many persons use them they are ignored by the cyber police. The huge down side is you need to know the person you share with. If you know them you can just use the mail.

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