Windows 7 surpasses 3 percent market share

How Many of those W7 copies are legit, considering the Copy Protection And the borrowed Vista Activation Scheme were Cracked before RTM was released.

It dose not really matter as they can make money from it either way.

I been trying to get my sht in order to move over to window 7...

these 92% figures are BS .. there is NO way to measure all the machines running a free operating system..

stop feeding this monopolistic propaganda eh?

if takeup of foss systems was so low M$ wouldn't be so keen to try and kill it off with trickery and patent threats.

87% of THE MARKET (july 2009) and now likely less.. which is a false figure anyway... because that can and does only compare OVER THE COUNTER sales... where the free alternatives don't compete. Ever tried buying a computer which comes with no M$ junk? .. almost impossible due to proven monopolistic antitrust crimes.

The foss community list windoze use at more like 68% of total desktop computers currently running.. and below 40% of the server market.. for spine hardware it's unix all the way with 98% of the internet backbone running hardened unix (proprietary built by the owners)

I guess we have another M$ press office propaganda crapnews item here...

I tried out w7 yesterday on my e8400 with 3 gigs. The performance was OK, but the rapefest that was windows explorer (as well as no classic taskbar, no quickstart, and the stupid search bar) killed it for me. Went back to XP. Happy as a clam :)

Cisco's VPN client doesn't support vista yet, so I'm sure thats holding some people back.

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I been trying to get my sht in order to move over to window 7...

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You won't regret Zip. FAR superior to Vista and XP.

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Cisco's VPN client doesn't support vista yet, so I'm sure thats holding some people back.

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Corporations almost never jump on a new OS until it's been out a few to several years anyway, so this likely won't be a big deal for those who get company-provided computers for their work, but yeah, it would be of concern to those using their own personal computers to VPN into work.

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Cisco's VPN client doesn't support vista yet, so I'm sure thats holding some people back.

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Actually the latest 5 version does. I've been using it for months.

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I tried out w7 yesterday on my e8400 with 3 gigs. The performance was OK, but the rapefest that was windows explorer (as well as no classic taskbar, no quickstart, and the stupid search bar) killed it for me. Went back to XP. Happy as a clam :)

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Two E6400 machines here, both with 4GB Ram, W7 positively flies (i use 32-bit and yes, i know that 32-bit doesn't fully utilise the 4GB, i could care less :) )
Still happy with XP (and linux) on other machines, old and new alike.

No doubt about it win 7 is da bomb,well considering what xp is like then hell yeah it's a step up alright,still i'll need a new comp to run it,yeah it's ok on the 32bit 8 y/o machine tho there is a definite performance drop once more apps are loaded,still it's pretty slick even without using wincustomize stuff

My consulting firm is a 'National Systems Integrator' (NSI) for Microsoft so we get everything for free as there are only 60 in the world and all 60 of our employees are using 7 and not a single solitary complaint yet.

I've been using the RTM for a couple months now and absolutely love it more than anything. All games and all apps work flawlessly on it and I have only had one minor incident of instability but eh...............that happens. It looks totally cool at 1920 x 1080 on my 52" LCD and I love the taskbar peek as well as the slamming windows to the top/right/left and the libraries are priceless for those with Mp3s or videos in several locations.

I'm a techie and tweak my own system for optimization and recommend this to all. I hate Vista with a passion and dread working on other's computers who run Vista. Xp rocked but 7 is the sh*t!

Those who knock it should just stop already and use Linux/Unix or Mac............or better yet.............stick with pen and paper and an Xbox 360 or PS3 because complaints are completely unfounded as I have put this OS to the ultimate compatibility/stability/practicality test.

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I tried out w7 yesterday on my e8400 with 3 gigs. The performance was OK, but the rapefest that was windows explorer (as well as no classic taskbar, no quickstart, and the stupid search bar) killed it for me. Went back to XP. Happy as a clam :)

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Yet another dog that can't be taught new tricks and stuck in the dinosaur age.................unwillingness to accept change is such a shame as the world is not stagnant.

BTW........quicklaunch IS AT THE BOTTOM.........just pin apps to it. Don't know what "quickstart" is but maybe I refer to it in a different way and the "Search bar" is awesome. I simply type in the first 3 letters of any program on the All Programs menu and hit Enter and voila! Much more convenient than searching manually through that.

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Yet another dog that can't be taught new tricks and stuck in the dinosaur age.................unwillingness to accept change is such a shame as the world is not stagnant.

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Yet another pup who isn't content with anything that's been around longer than six months. We dogs have it cheaper. ;-)

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these 92% figures are BS .. there is NO way to measure all the machines running a free operating system..

stop feeding this monopolistic propaganda eh?

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Actually many websites record data from source IPs from ISPs and detect what OS and browser is being used to access their sites so if you are like 99% of consumers and businesses that have access to the internet it is a pretty reliable way to detect what OSes and Browsers are being used out there. My organization does this on our own websites for the school district and we can detect many OSes from Windows, MacOS, various Linux flavors and browsers. Just pulling the recent database logs from access to our sites shows these figures:

Figures from unique external IP sources (internal IPs are not recorded)
Windows total 97% (Breakdown of 100% Windows access below)
Windows 7 - 1.2%
Windows Vista 15.7%
Windows XP - 81.1%
Windows Other - 2%

MacOS - 2.4%

Linux or Unknown OS 0.6%

Browser Breakdown
IE 68%
Firefox - 21%
Safari - 6%
Chrome - 3%
Other - 2%

These are just statistics from hits to our websites and others will vary but I think you get the idea.

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these 92% figures are BS .. there is NO way to measure all the machines running a free operating system..... because that can and does only compare OVER THE COUNTER sales... where the free alternatives don't compete. Ever tried buying a computer which comes with no M$ junk? .. almost impossible due to proven monopolistic antitrust crimes.

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NetApplications collects their data from a wide variety of websites. They claim the sites they monitor (and collect data from) get about 160 million visits per month.

They use this data to produce the numbers for everything from Web browser versions to OS versions. A wide variety of computers broadcast information such as what browser you are using as well as what OS etc.

By monitoring quite a few sites they have a pretty good picture of internet-connected computers. Sure, they can't monitor everything but I'm sure they have a pretty good picture.

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Yet another dog that can't be taught new tricks and stuck in the dinosaur age.................unwillingness to accept change is such a shame as the world is not stagnant.

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Yet another pup who isn't content with anything that's been around longer than six months. We dogs have it cheaper. ;-)

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Son...........I rolled with Xp for 9 YEARS.............9 F'ing YEARS.

It's played and boring and us real techies like to fidget with new, cool technology. Besides, complacency is problematic in this God forsaken world and you're just another contributor..........or better said..........."an old dog who can't be taught new tricks"

Change is inevitable and the worst part is your specific complaints about 7 are without merit as I pointed out.

Don't talk to me about never being satisfied. I stick with video cards for a minimum of 2 years, processors for 5 and Xp for 9. God granted me the ability to see a good thing and 7 is far better in every way to Xp. Faster, cleaner, prettier, more accessible and convenient and above all else...........compatible with every software I have thrown at it.

Just admit that you ARE an old dog whom doesn't like or doesn't want to learn new tricks and you will show how truly humble you actually are. Follow the path of Jesus.

@ lissenup. you are pretty much a hostile kind of person. Not everyone wants or can afford to buy video cards every 2 years and over-priced OS's from slick willy. For me its simple save money for good hardware and use the most up-to date linux distro's with bullet-proof integrity. As you said you are a techie you shouldn't be afraid of a cmd line:P I am not a gamer so I see no need for vista or 7. I use a jacked version of xp to run my DAW because my audio hardware is not supported in the linux environment. Both the hardware and my production software just laugh at me when I suggest giving it vista or 7, to work on. I think personally windows is way over-priced and adds to much hipe.
Anyway if windows wasn't bundled with most pre-assembled comps and folks had to buy the OS, I wonder then what the market share would be?
Lets say for the casual user to do a bit of surfing, read emails, watch the odd flick and listen to some music. What would it be windows 7 for 200 euros or say linux ubuntu(just an example cause its idiot proof) for the price of a blank cd?
Answers on postcard please:D

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W7 flies for me. 6GB RAM, Corei7, Ultimate 64. XP virtualization is seamless so far. It also flies.

Step 1 - install OS
Step 2 - open IE
Step 3 - download firefox

I should have skipped Step 2 and downloaded Firefox from my wifes laptop. Love the OS though. Lots of little goodies.

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That's quite impressive - especially considering Windows XP just turned 8 years old... :-S

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I'm into computer building, overclocking, programming and video encoding and haven't seen anything in Windows 7 that would allow me to accomplish those things more efficiently than I already do in XP and Linux. Since those tasks apparently aren't "new" and "cool" enough to make me a "real techy", I guess I'll just apologize for being an old fuddy duddy. :-(

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Change is inevitable and the worst part is your specific complaints about 7 are without merit as I pointed out.

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I didn't complain about Windows 7.

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Don't talk to me about never being satisfied. I stick with video cards for a minimum of 2 years, processors for 5 and Xp for 9. God granted me the ability to see a good thing and 7 is far better in every way to Xp. Faster, cleaner, prettier, more accessible and convenient and above all else...........compatible with every software I have thrown at it.

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If you think it's pretty, that's great. If it works fine with your software, that's great. If you want to spend money on it, that's great. You can go out and buy Windows 7 and I'll be cheering you on every step of the way.

As for me, Windows 7 does not work with all my software. Windows 7's additions and new interface strike me as a disorienting waste of resources that serve to slow down the tasks I really want to perform. And since I don't want to spend money on something that limits and slows down the tasks that I want to perform, I won't be buying Windows 7.

But that's just my opinion and my perspective. "Better" is about the most subjective word that there is, so I won't presume to declare Windows XP better than Windows 7.

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I'm an old dog, though I can't admit to being unwilling to learn new tricks, as I rather like new tricks - just not the ones in Windows 7. Linux and the .NET Framework have lots of new tricks in them that I've enjoyed exploring.

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That's a good idea. Will you join with me in applying James 1:19, 20? I will start by making this my final comment in this conversation.

Quick comment from me, my two Win7 machines use onboard video. I'm not a gamer but do enjoy movies, onboard video plays almost everything out there. But that probably makes me old fashioned too :p

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Quick comment from me, my two Win7 machines use onboard video. I'm not a gamer but do enjoy movies, onboard video plays almost everything out there. But that probably makes me old fashioned too :p

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What are the chip sets watch any HD video on them?
my uncel has a ADM 2X turoin laptop with vista but ti handles videos great I think it has a 9800 or 8100 ninvida chipset.

They're Dell Optiplex 745 SFF's, video is 'Intel Q965/Q963 Express Chipset Family' (the chip is a GMA 3000), am currently playing a 1080p x264 MKV file, plays beautifully.

3 percent, 3 measly percent. And they are calling windows 7 a success. What is the world coming to. Even Vista was more beloved when it made it's much herald debut.
I only have one opinion on windows 7.
"Windows 7 is what we thought it was, if you want to crown it's a$$ go ahead, but windows 7 is what we thought it was and we left it off the hook." slams microphone and storms out of room.

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I tried out w7 yesterday on my e8400 with 3 gigs. The performance was OK, but the rapefest that was windows explorer (as well as no classic taskbar, no quickstart, and the stupid search bar) killed it for me. Went back to XP. Happy as a clam :)

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so you went back to XP..lol..a lot of w7 users complaining that their software completely messed up because of incompatibility...

mediaseo - Unless you want to pay Afterdawn to advertise ~ http://www.afterdawn.com/general/adprices.cfm you'll need to remove the advert from your signature. Forum Rules are in mine.

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3 percent, 3 measly percent. And they are calling windows 7 a success. What is the world coming to. Even Vista was more beloved when it made it's much herald debut.
I only have one opinion on windows 7.
"Windows 7 is what we thought it was, if you want to crown it's a$$ go ahead, but windows 7 is what we thought it was and we left it off the hook." slams microphone and storms out of room.

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3 percent in less than two weeks from the public release date mind you. It has taken Apple almost 25 years to get 8% and Linux how long to hover in their 2 - 4% range for all flavors of Linux

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@creaky ok im so sorry

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I tried out w7 yesterday on my e8400 with 3 gigs. The performance was OK, but the rapefest that was windows explorer (as well as no classic taskbar, no quickstart, and the stupid search bar) killed it for me. Went back to XP. Happy as a clam :)

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so you went back to XP..lol..a lot of w7 users complaining that their software completely messed up because of incompatibility...

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I'd be interested in know what these alleged incompatibilies are. I am sure they are over-exaggerated. And to the poster that you replied to seems to be stuck on "classic" mode. Maybe he needs to understand the search bar is for. Guarantee I can find anything faster and easier that way compared to the "classic" way. But hey if you prefer old school with an OS that will underutilize your hardware just based on the fact it's core design is 8 years old and not designed to work with the multi-core processors of now and the future then by all means stick with XP. I have installed Windows 7 on every machine type that I manage for School District I work for and it performs just as good as XP did on the same hardware provided you have a GB of ram. Only one computer that is 6 years old did not support areo but other than that it runs great. Running it in a couple work areas my teachers seem to love it too for the most part. There are a couple classic this and classic that people but other than those closed minded people most compliment on how things are easier and smoother and ask when we can switch over completely.

You know what they "really" mean. Their "bootlegged" versions of software no longer work on Windows 7. Everything piece of software and hardware I own migrated smoothly into Windows 7 without a hiccup. I'm using the 64bit version also, and drivers work fine.

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You know what they "really" mean. Their "bootlegged" versions of software no longer work on Windows 7. Everything piece of software and hardware I own migrated smoothly into Windows 7 without a hiccup. I'm using the 64bit version also, and drivers work fine.

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I doubt it. All of my bootleg software works fine :)

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Everything piece of software and hardware I own migrated smoothly into Windows 7 without a hiccup. I'm using the 64bit version also, and drivers work fine.

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Now there's a problem I have encountered, running production 32 bit software on a 64bit OS ( needs must for the ram capabilities ) and then finding stable 64bit drivers for my audio hardware. Its pushing me in the direction of ADAT recorders, but they are hell of a pricey(900 / 1200 euro's second hand for a half decent 24 I/O), so I'll have to make do and hope I win the lottery some day:P

Thats 1 thing that really peevs me off when slick willy comes out with a new OS and doesn't give the hardware manufacturers the heads up. The hardware manufacturers always seem to be playing catch-up and SOMETIMES they look at the new OS and think, this is all nonsense where is the advantage/necessity of rewriting our software for this. Will it benefit our customers? I know tech evolves and is meant to benefit the future, speed things up and make way for phenomenal computing, but things are sometimes better on paper $$$ yeah thats green paper, than in the real world, for the end user. Again I am speaking only from an audio production point of view, where as much as you can use, system resources are paramount for production.

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Everything piece of software and hardware I own migrated smoothly into Windows 7 without a hiccup. I'm using the 64bit version also, and drivers work fine.

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Now there's a problem I have encountered, running production 32 bit software on a 64bit OS ( needs must for the ram capabilities ) and then finding stable 64bit drivers for my audio hardware. Its pushing me in the direction of ADAT recorders, but they are hell of a pricey(900 / 1200 euro's second hand for a half decent 24 I/O), so I'll have to make do and hope I win the lottery some day:P

Thats 1 thing that really peevs me off when slick willy comes out with a new OS and doesn't give the hardware manufacturers the heads up. The hardware manufacturers always seem to be playing catch-up and SOMETIMES they look at the new OS and think, this is all nonsense where is the advantage/necessity of rewriting our software for this. Will it benefit our customers? I know tech evolves and is meant to benefit the future, speed things up and make way for phenomenal computing, but things are sometimes better on paper $$$ yeah thats green paper, than in the real world, for the end user. Again I am speaking only from an audio production point of view, where as much as you can use, system resources are paramount for production.

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MS gives hardware and software manufacturer's plenty of "heads up" and MS cannot make drivers for the tens of thousands of devices out that were designed for Windows. While I feel your pain maybe you should contact the manufacturer of that hardware and say get with the program. Vista has been out for years and 64bit has been out for longer so they have access to the beta bits just like we do if not before and if they did not make a vista driver in the last 3 years then maybe they need to wake up and smell the coffee and get their @sses in gear. Windows 7 handles drivers better than any Windows OS ever and the amount of drivers it finds on install on today's hardware is A+ and how it handles and finds drivers via the internet and windows update is even better.

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Everything piece of software and hardware I own migrated smoothly into Windows 7 without a hiccup. I'm using the 64bit version also, and drivers work fine.

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Now there's a problem I have encountered, running production 32 bit software on a 64bit OS ( needs must for the ram capabilities ) and then finding stable 64bit drivers for my audio hardware. Its pushing me in the direction of ADAT recorders, but they are hell of a pricey(900 / 1200 euro's second hand for a half decent 24 I/O), so I'll have to make do and hope I win the lottery some day:P

Thats 1 thing that really peevs me off when slick willy comes out with a new OS and doesn't give the hardware manufacturers the heads up. The hardware manufacturers always seem to be playing catch-up and SOMETIMES they look at the new OS and think, this is all nonsense where is the advantage/necessity of rewriting our software for this. Will it benefit our customers? I know tech evolves and is meant to benefit the future, speed things up and make way for phenomenal computing, but things are sometimes better on paper $$$ yeah thats green paper, than in the real world, for the end user. Again I am speaking only from an audio production point of view, where as much as you can use, system resources are paramount for production.

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MS gives hardware and software manufacturer's plenty of "heads up" and MS cannot make drivers for the tens of thousands of devices out that were designed for Windows. While I feel your pain maybe you should contact the manufacturer of that hardware and say get with the program. Vista has been out for years and 64bit has been out for longer so they have access to the beta bits just like we do if not before and if they did not make a vista driver in the last 3 years then maybe they need to wake up and smell the coffee and get their @sses in gear. Windows 7 handles drivers better than any Windows OS ever and the amount of drivers it finds on install on today's hardware is A+ and how it handles and finds drivers via the internet and windows update is even better.

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Ah so the hardware folks just get a copy of a beta version of the new windows 7 and use that to write drivers for it? Is it that easy?:P

Maybe also as I said before there is not, either much of an advantage or no advantage at all to rewrite software for an OS that doesn't deliver much of a performance gain for particular hardware. I am being picky and only speaking for some audio hardware of course.

About windows ability to find and install new drivers does not count at all for some audio production hardware.
As far as I can remember most of the linux OS's I have used work right out the box for the general pc. No need to go looking for drivers on the net or updates to find them. No internet connection needed just install and all is working right out the box no probs, chipsets,built in sound cards, wireless, printers,scanners etc.

Anyway to each his/her own and whatever floats your boat or whatever you want to spend your hard earned money on:P

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Everything piece of software and hardware I own migrated smoothly into Windows 7 without a hiccup. I'm using the 64bit version also, and drivers work fine.

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Now there's a problem I have encountered, running production 32 bit software on a 64bit OS ( needs must for the ram capabilities ) and then finding stable 64bit drivers for my audio hardware. Its pushing me in the direction of ADAT recorders, but they are hell of a pricey(900 / 1200 euro's second hand for a half decent 24 I/O), so I'll have to make do and hope I win the lottery some day:P

Thats 1 thing that really peevs me off when slick willy comes out with a new OS and doesn't give the hardware manufacturers the heads up. The hardware manufacturers always seem to be playing catch-up and SOMETIMES they look at the new OS and think, this is all nonsense where is the advantage/necessity of rewriting our software for this. Will it benefit our customers? I know tech evolves and is meant to benefit the future, speed things up and make way for phenomenal computing, but things are sometimes better on paper $$$ yeah thats green paper, than in the real world, for the end user. Again I am speaking only from an audio production point of view, where as much as you can use, system resources are paramount for production.

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MS gives hardware and software manufacturer's plenty of "heads up" and MS cannot make drivers for the tens of thousands of devices out that were designed for Windows. While I feel your pain maybe you should contact the manufacturer of that hardware and say get with the program. Vista has been out for years and 64bit has been out for longer so they have access to the beta bits just like we do if not before and if they did not make a vista driver in the last 3 years then maybe they need to wake up and smell the coffee and get their @sses in gear. Windows 7 handles drivers better than any Windows OS ever and the amount of drivers it finds on install on today's hardware is A+ and how it handles and finds drivers via the internet and windows update is even better.

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Ah so the hardware folks just get a copy of a beta version of the new windows 7 and use that to write drivers for it? Is it that easy?:P

Maybe also as I said before there is not, either much of an advantage or no advantage at all to rewrite software for an OS that doesn't deliver much of a performance gain for particular hardware. I am being picky and only speaking for some audio hardware of course.

About windows ability to find and install new drivers does not count at all for some audio production hardware.
As far as I can remember most of the linux OS's I have used work right out the box for the general pc. No need to go looking for drivers on the net or updates to find them. No internet connection needed just install and all is working right out the box no probs, chipsets,built in sound cards, wireless, printers,scanners etc.

Anyway to each his/her own and whatever floats your boat or whatever you want to spend your hard earned money on:P

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Microsoft provides beta's to hardware and software developers for Windows and in some cases they get access before beta's even go public. If they wait until it gets released then they are stupid. Why do you think many companies had Windows 7 certified drivers back in January of 2009 and many more by June 2009. Like I said I feel your pain but I find it hard to blame an OS for lack of drivers for products it has no control over especially since most Vista Drivers work with Windows 7 just fine.