"Hurt Locker" producer files suit against 5000 alleged pirates

Again I say as I did when an earlier article talked about this guy preparing to sue all these "pirates." As long as studios continue to release popular or highly anticipated films in some countries while making others wait for it to come to them, this is what you get. Release the stinkin films worldwide all at the same time and this sort of thing won't be as bad. Sure, people will still steal your movie, but at least everyone will at least be given equal opportunity to go and pay to see it. The way it is now, some movie will being in theaters across the pond but we for some stupid reason are teased with having to wait 6 months before it reaches our theaters. That's BS. So this guy can just suck it up and quit his bellyaching. Blame the studios or whoever it was that did this to his films, not the "pirates" who downloaded it. It still made a good chun of change.

I would be scared out of my mind if I pirated this movie, but I don't even know this movie.

Can he really get away with suing 5000 people? There has to be some sort of litigation against choosing people at random rather than those most likely to be responsible for the leak.

Good luck in keeping your lawyers fed.....

sorry about them. but if they let a full dvd copy get leaked online. its no fault but their own for not guarding their movie with extreme secresy.

sueing a bunch of people that downloaded it sounds like a waste of time.

at 1500 a pop. the producer hopes to get 7.5 million? LOL yeah right.

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the film only grossed $17 million USD domestic in theaters.

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Originally posted by 21Q:

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I would be scared out of my mind if I pirated this movie, but I don't even know this movie.

Can he really get away with suing 5000 people? There has to be some sort of litigation against choosing people at random rather than those most likely to be responsible for the leak.

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Theirs also a lawsuit a Soldier about the movie I will put it from quotation from its Wiki.

"Sarver lawsuit

In early March 2010, army bomb disposal expert Master Sergeant Jeffrey Sarver filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit against The Hurt Locker. Sarver's lawsuit claimed he used the term "hurt locker" and the phrase "war is a drug" around Boal, that his likeness was used to create the character William James, and that the portrayal of William James defames Sarver. Sarver said he felt "just a little bit hurt, a little bit felt left out" and cheated out of "financial participation" in the film. Sarver claimed he originated the title of the film; however, the title is a decades-old colloquialism for being injured, as in "they sent him to the hurt locker". It dates back to the Vietnam War where it was one of several phrases meaning "in trouble or at a disadvantage; in bad shape". Boal defended himself to the press, saying "the film is a work of fiction inspired by many people's stories"; he said he talked to more than 100 soldiers during his research. Jody Simon, a Los Angeles-based entertainment lawyer, noted that "soldiers don't have privacy", and that when the military embedded Boal they gave him full permission to use his observations as he saw fit. Summit Entertainment, the producers of the film, said in early March that they hoped for a quick resolution to the suit."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurt_locker_%28film%29

Also I have yet to see a physical copy of this film in stores, but apparently its been out sense January 12, 2010 yet as I said I never see this in store shelves so I find this suspicious in it self I find it funny that this director is willing to sue thousands for 1,500 Dollars for a roughly20-40 dollar movie while he's in a lawsuit all ready.

Originally posted by DoomLight:

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sorry about them. but if they let a full dvd copy get leaked online. its no fault but their own for not guarding their movie with extreme secresy.

sueing a bunch of people that downloaded it sounds like a waste of time.

at 1500 a pop. the producer hopes to get 7.5 million? LOL yeah right.

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Originally posted by 21Q:

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I would be scared out of my mind if I pirated this movie, but I don't even know this movie.

Can he really get away with suing 5000 people? There has to be some sort of litigation against choosing people at random rather than those most likely to be responsible for the leak.

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it's considered a new revenue stream, intentionally leak your movie then sue the people who didn't want to pay six quid at the cinema. the lawyers will grab about 30%.

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the film only grossed $17 million USD domestic in theaters.

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Yeah, and how much did they make worldwide?
.... and how much on DVD?
.... and how much on legitimate download?
..... and how much on TV deals?
..... and how much on Blu-ray?

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They are going to have a lot of trouble with that suit...
First, they are suing down-loaders and then saying that if that down-loader makes it available it becomes a problem for the copyright holder.
But, if it's the up-loaders who are the problem then the suit would be against up-loaders, not down-loaders.
They will also have a hard time proving any kind of damage by "downloaders" above the cost of the stupid thing... maybe $20
And then further, any defendant worth his salt will point out to the judge that he is but one of MILLIONS and was arbitrarily picked out. The law doesn't like that much.
The real losers will be the saps who pay the $1500 of blackmail.

Voltage is setting itself up for a healthy serving of Whoop Ass.

Originally posted by Tristan_2:

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Theirs also a lawsuit a Soldier about the movie I will put it from quotation from its Wiki.

"Sarver lawsuit

In early March 2010, army bomb disposal expert Master Sergeant Jeffrey Sarver filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit against The Hurt Locker. Sarver's lawsuit claimed he used the term "hurt locker" and the phrase "war is a drug" around Boal, that his likeness was used to create the character William James, and that the portrayal of William James defames Sarver. Sarver said he felt "just a little bit hurt, a little bit felt left out" and cheated out of "financial participation" in the film. Sarver claimed he originated the title of the film; however, the title is a decades-old colloquialism for being injured, as in "they sent him to the hurt locker". It dates back to the Vietnam War where it was one of several phrases meaning "in trouble or at a disadvantage; in bad shape". Boal defended himself to the press, saying "the film is a work of fiction inspired by many people's stories"; he said he talked to more than 100 soldiers during his research. Jody Simon, a Los Angeles-based entertainment lawyer, noted that "soldiers don't have privacy", and that when the military embedded Boal they gave him full permission to use his observations as he saw fit. Summit Entertainment, the producers of the film, said in early March that they hoped for a quick resolution to the suit."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurt_locker_%28film%29

Also I have yet to see a physical copy of this film in stores, but apparently its been out sense January 12, 2010 yet as I said I never see this in store shelves so I find this suspicious in it self I find it funny that this director is willing to sue thousands for 1,500 Dollars for a roughly20-40 dollar movie while he's in a lawsuit all ready.

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hurt locker sux balls anyway! watched 15 minutes and deleted it. this is the reason to pirate, for crapy movies like this.thank god i didnt waste my hard earned money on this crap

The way I see it is that they (meaning the movie industry) don't give a sh*t about us, so why should we give a sh*t about them.

Originally posted by ThePastor:

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They are going to have a lot of trouble with that suit...
First, they are suing down-loaders and then saying that if that down-loader makes it available it becomes a problem for the copyright holder.
But, if it's the up-loaders who are the problem then the suit would be against up-loaders, not down-loaders.
They will also have a hard time proving any kind of damage by "downloaders" above the cost of the stupid thing... maybe $20
And then further, any defendant worth his salt will point out to the judge that he is but one of MILLIONS and was arbitrarily picked out. The law doesn't like that much.
The real losers will be the saps who pay the $1500 of blackmail.

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Originally posted by VENOM79:

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hurt locker sux balls anyway! watched 15 minutes and deleted it. this is the reason to pirate, for crapy movies like this.thank god i didnt waste my hard earned money on this crap

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The lawyers have duped these poor ignorant souls into believing they are losing money by feeding them a line of crap to better fill a law firms pockets.
Once again I say don't pirate, and remember to boycott the producer, studio, an distributor until they decide to act like humans.
It would work, but people need their fix, so they just keep feeding the legal frenzy.

The problem is that in order to prove their case they have to prove that it is actually illegal to download from the Internet. Which of course it is not. In 1996 Bill Clinton stated that the uploading of copyrighted materials to the Internet without the consent of owner of the material is illegal, but the downloading of such material is not. Basically in a nutshell Clinton made it clear that simply downloading material from the Internet was not illegal since those downloading said material were not the ones who broke the law in the first place by putting it out on the Internet. Clinton recognized that the Internet was an entity that could not be controlled through normal laws, and that the focus of illegal piracy should be placed on those who actually upload the copyrighted materials in the first place. Which is why so many cases of "piracy" fail since these groups go after the downloaders, rather than those who originally put it out on the Internet. And lets look at the rationale behind this alleged lawsuit, they have to be able to prove that anyone they set as a defendent actually broke a law. Downloading is NOT illegal, therefore they have the burden of proof against them, and the defendent simply has to ask the question of where is their proof? Every piracy case that has failed has done so because the "plaintiff" has failed time and again to provide the proof. You know why they can't? Because it is illegal to track what any specific ISP account is doing with their Internet access. In order to do so you must already have a court order in place, and clearly you can only get those when you can demonstrate to a judge that a crime is actually being commited. Apparently these guys haven't learned that lesson. They soon will when they spend millions of dollars trying to pursue lawsuits that they don't have a chance of winning. I agree, those who pay the "settlement" offer will be the losers.

If you used a program like peer guardian 2, will they stll be able to know you downloaded the movie?

This is a very lame attitude and excuse. Avatar made a ton of money and I bet it was downloaded a lot more than this film. They only won the Academy Awards for political reasons. Besides, winning the Oscar doesn't mean that the film will automatically gross hundreds of millions. If they got a poor return at the box office it is because audiences didn't care for the movie. And it is really ridiculous to try to blame individuals who downloaded it for their failure. Bad producer...

I am glad I didn't download the movie but I would like to know how you sue 5000 people at once!

I think it's more of a scare tactic than anything else. If not, then good luck to the producer, wasting all that money trying to get more money back. This thing could turn ugly!

Perhaps the producers of the movie should have prevented the movie getting leaked in the first place. Why not sue the guy who was responsible for keeping the movie in the safe?

Personally I don't download movies - it's such a waste of time and the image is never 100% top quality, I'll rather rent it and copy it - much easier.

As for catching "alleged pirates" - I may sometimes download a few music albums and I use Peerguardian 2, but there is no guarantee it will work.

I feel this pirate nonsense is rubbish, though. I used to tape-trade (a music cassette) back in the eighties and early nineties and my friends saved a ton of money with me copying music for them.

It's the same as file sharing. Exactly the shame. The record companies didn't complain back then, did they?

I am going to stop downloading music for a few months and see how this lawsuit is going to unfold. I read somewhere some company in Germany trace your IP address, it's all just hearsay but I cannot be caught downloading music - a lawsuit will follow and the billpayer will be pissed off like hell.

Good luck everyone!

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Originally posted by bandoogie:

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If you used a program like peer guardian 2, will they stll be able to know you downloaded the movie?

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Directv tried to use an extortion lawsuit like this.
It was easily beaten by ignoring the letters.
The ones who responded who either ended up setting or taking
them to court.

Originally posted by rick930:

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The problem is that in order to prove their case they have to prove that it is actually illegal to download from the Internet. Which of course it is not. In 1996 Bill Clinton stated that the uploading of copyrighted materials to the Internet without the consent of owner of the material is illegal, but the downloading of such material is not. Basically in a nutshell Clinton made it clear that simply downloading material from the Internet was not illegal since those downloading said material were not the ones who broke the law in the first place by putting it out on the Internet. Clinton recognized that the Internet was an entity that could not be controlled through normal laws, and that the focus of illegal piracy should be placed on those who actually upload the copyrighted materials in the first place. Which is why so many cases of "piracy" fail since these groups go after the downloaders, rather than those who originally put it out on the Internet. And lets look at the rationale behind this alleged lawsuit, they have to be able to prove that anyone they set as a defendent actually broke a law. Downloading is NOT illegal, therefore they have the burden of proof against them, and the defendent simply has to ask the question of where is their proof? Every piracy case that has failed has done so because the "plaintiff" has failed time and again to provide the proof. You know why they can't? Because it is illegal to track what any specific ISP account is doing with their Internet access. In order to do so you must already have a court order in place, and clearly you can only get those when you can demonstrate to a judge that a crime is actually being commited. Apparently these guys haven't learned that lesson. They soon will when they spend millions of dollars trying to pursue lawsuits that they don't have a chance of winning. I agree, those who pay the "settlement" offer will be the losers.

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Originally posted by Daniel_1:

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Originally posted by rick930:

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The problem is that in order to prove their case they have to prove that it is actually illegal to download from the Internet. Which of course it is not. In 1996 Bill Clinton stated that the uploading of copyrighted materials to the Internet without the consent of owner of the material is illegal, but the downloading of such material is not. Basically in a nutshell Clinton made it clear that simply downloading material from the Internet was not illegal since those downloading said material were not the ones who broke the law in the first place by putting it out on the Internet. Clinton recognized that the Internet was an entity that could not be controlled through normal laws, and that the focus of illegal piracy should be placed on those who actually upload the copyrighted materials in the first place. Which is why so many cases of "piracy" fail since these groups go after the downloaders, rather than those who originally put it out on the Internet. And lets look at the rationale behind this alleged lawsuit, they have to be able to prove that anyone they set as a defendent actually broke a law. Downloading is NOT illegal, therefore they have the burden of proof against them, and the defendent simply has to ask the question of where is their proof? Every piracy case that has failed has done so because the "plaintiff" has failed time and again to provide the proof. You know why they can't? Because it is illegal to track what any specific ISP account is doing with their Internet access. In order to do so you must already have a court order in place, and clearly you can only get those when you can demonstrate to a judge that a crime is actually being commited. Apparently these guys haven't learned that lesson. They soon will when they spend millions of dollars trying to pursue lawsuits that they don't have a chance of winning. I agree, those who pay the "settlement" offer will be the losers.

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Really? And you can prove what you are claiming with a site or where in US law that Clinton had the basis and was able to make this statement? Not that I dont believe you, it is just that I would not believe Clinton if that fat tub of lard told me the sky was blue on a sunny day. I mean it does sort of ruin your rep when you got caught lying and then lying under oath!

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Taken was leaked a good 3 months early, how did it do? It made 80 million because that was a good movie. That is all it comes down to, do they want us to see it or do they want to win an award that means nothing to the general population.

I rented this movie through NetFlix after hearing the hype about it and, I must say, it's not a very good movie. I'd call it OK. I thought Brothers in Arms was WAY better, but then that's a documentary about real Marines doing real things and Hurt Locker was just fiction based on how Hollywood thinks soldiers behave. (Clueless Hollywood at work, in other words.)

Pity of it is, looks like a bunch of people who desparately wanted to see a mediocre movie are going to get a much bigger thrill FOR watching it than they got FROM watching it.

Voltage is a crack-head. His movie sucked and I wasted $6.00 and my time going to the theaters. Good thing I didn't buy the drink and popcorn.

Voltage is trying to make money from a B movie. LMAO.

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This is a very lame attitude and excuse. Avatar made a ton of money and I bet it was downloaded a lot more than this film. They only won the Academy Awards for political reasons. Besides, winning the Oscar doesn't mean that the film will automatically gross hundreds of millions. If they got a poor return at the box office it is because audiences didn't care for the movie. And it is really ridiculous to try to blame individuals who downloaded it for their failure. Bad producer...

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Originally posted by nopcbs:

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I rented this movie through NetFlix after hearing the hype about it and, I must say, it's not a very good movie. I'd call it OK. I thought Brothers in Arms was WAY better, but then that's a documentary about real Marines doing real things and Hurt Locker was just fiction based on how Hollywood thinks soldiers behave. (Clueless Hollywood at work, in other words.)

Pity of it is, looks like a bunch of people who desparately wanted to see a mediocre movie are going to get a much bigger thrill FOR watching it than they got FROM watching it.

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Originally posted by PurplePat:

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Originally posted by writer:

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This is a very lame attitude and excuse. Avatar made a ton of money and I bet it was downloaded a lot more than this film. They only won the Academy Awards for political reasons. Besides, winning the Oscar doesn't mean that the film will automatically gross hundreds of millions. If they got a poor return at the box office it is because audiences didn't care for the movie. And it is really ridiculous to try to blame individuals who downloaded it for their failure. Bad producer...

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Spot on mate. They just wanted to smack James Cameron in the face for highlighting corporate greed. What better way than to give his ex-wife the Oscar which he most definitely earned?

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Ahh.. the magic of hindsight.

I bet they'll win.

i bet its just scare tactics.Just think about it 5000 people being sued over 1 movie and then information about it popping up all over forums.They are trying to make an example of these 5000 people to make people think twice before committing piracy.

Another reason why Blockbuster Video is in trouble financially.
If I only knew it could be downloaded in DVD-quality......
Where do you guys get them, anyway?
OOOOPS!

Originally posted by bandoogie:

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If you used a program like peer guardian 2, will they stll be able to know you downloaded the movie?

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Originally posted by KillerBug:

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I figured the reason that they only made $17 million on this POS is that they had to spend $100 million on bribing the judges to win the "Best Picture" award. Even the people who liked this movie didn't think it was the best movie of the year. I can't even remember a TV promo for it...I guess that is what happens when you spend your advertising budget on bribery.

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Originally posted by xtago:

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Originally posted by KillerBug:

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I figured the reason that they only made $17 million on this POS is that they had to spend $100 million on bribing the judges to win the "Best Picture" award. Even the people who liked this movie didn't think it was the best movie of the year. I can't even remember a TV promo for it...I guess that is what happens when you spend your advertising budget on bribery.

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I seen a review on this movie and the reviewers said it's like watching 2 hours of filler for what is really just 30 seconds of watch able footage.

Even the director said the movie was made in this way to streach out what the bomb guys do but over in the UK the real bomb guys said the whole movie is shit as you'd be dead doing the stuff that happens in the movie.

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Originally posted by DoomLight:

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sorry about them. but if they let a full dvd copy get leaked online. its no fault but their own for not guarding their movie with extreme secresy.
sueing a bunch of people that downloaded it sounds like a waste of time.
at 1500 a pop. the producer hopes to get 7.5 million? LOL yeah right.

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Originally posted by forkndave:

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Originally posted by Daniel_1:

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Originally posted by rick930:

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The problem is that in order to prove their case they have to prove that it is actually illegal to download from the Internet. Which of course it is not. In 1996 Bill Clinton stated that the uploading of copyrighted materials to the Internet without the consent of owner of the material is illegal, but the downloading of such material is not. Basically in a nutshell Clinton made it clear that simply downloading material from the Internet was not illegal since those downloading said material were not the ones who broke the law in the first place by putting it out on the Internet. Clinton recognized that the Internet was an entity that could not be controlled through normal laws, and that the focus of illegal piracy should be placed on those who actually upload the copyrighted materials in the first place. Which is why so many cases of "piracy" fail since these groups go after the downloaders, rather than those who originally put it out on the Internet. And lets look at the rationale behind this alleged lawsuit, they have to be able to prove that anyone they set as a defendent actually broke a law. Downloading is NOT illegal, therefore they have the burden of proof against them, and the defendent simply has to ask the question of where is their proof? Every piracy case that has failed has done so because the "plaintiff" has failed time and again to provide the proof. You know why they can't? Because it is illegal to track what any specific ISP account is doing with their Internet access. In order to do so you must already have a court order in place, and clearly you can only get those when you can demonstrate to a judge that a crime is actually being commited. Apparently these guys haven't learned that lesson. They soon will when they spend millions of dollars trying to pursue lawsuits that they don't have a chance of winning. I agree, those who pay the "settlement" offer will be the losers.

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Really? And you can prove what you are claiming with a site or where in US law that Clinton had the basis and was able to make this statement? Not that I dont believe you, it is just that I would not believe Clinton if that fat tub of lard told me the sky was blue on a sunny day. I mean it does sort of ruin your rep when you got caught lying and then lying under oath!

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Actually, if you downloaded this movie via bit torrent you probably have also uploaded it. If you don't that is called "hit and run" and can get you banned at some torrent sites for having a poor ratio. Usually you are uploading at the same time you are downloading. I've never downloaded this movie however. My ISP has shut down my service a couple of times for uploading copyrighted material that I was downloading. They don't personally care, but they received complaints from some group. I don't recall who they were, but it wasn't the RIAA or MPAA. Since I've started using "Hide My Ass" service I haven't been bothered. That costs me about $80.00 a year, but it seems to be worth it so far anyhow. This is not a plug for them since I believe there are other people that will do the same thing for you.

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If you want to be absolutely safe, just take your computer to your local library or other free wi-fi- hotspot and download whatever from that location. Let them try to find you then!

Those that are mindlessly using PG2, haven't you noticed that there have not been any updates in 6 months? If you are using Blocklist manager you are covered but the rest of you are clueless.

I think if you get the letter, then you can't ignore it, you deny it. They are not allowed to hack into your computer without a warrant so they can't prove it was you. You can't deny it after you have been ignoring it. When you deny you had better be 'clean'. What they are going to run into is an IP address is good enough for a warning but not for $1,500. Still, their point is made some will pay just for pease of mind.

Torrents has just gotten a bit more risky.

A friend of mine bought the movie and loaned it to me. I watch the movie for about an hour and turned it off. I'm glad I didn't waste my money to see the movie in the theater, the movie sucked. That's why it only grossed $17 million. And they're blaming pirates for the low income. Other movies have been leaked and still brought in lots of money. I'm not justifying piracy, just is the movie sucked.

I was thinking about buying Hurt Locker, I liked it. Not anymore though.

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Some people will end up paying out, your best to simply never answer back to the letters and act real stupid in fact if you did get send an email probably best to move your computer hard drives etc to somewhere else and use a clean HD with only paid for software etc.

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In the bad old days when the RIAA was hammering Limewire and Kazza they used to get the OS serial # of the host till some smart lawyer asked how did you get that without a warrant! That was the end of their reign of terror. They can't prove who is actually downloading the goods. However, the laws in the US are in the process of changing. When that day comes only fools will have a dirty computer hooked up to the internet. They will start with the fools still downloading (the same ones using PeerGuardian with 6 month old lists) but if they run out of them they have you all on a list. If you are clean, they will have to guess you are smart enough not to get caught or it wasn't you in the first place.

Then they will go after newsgroups.

First rule of Usenet???

I gave up on torrents back when TPB was having all of its problems. I haven't missed them.

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In the bad old days when the RIAA was hammering Limewire and Kazza they used to get the OS serial # of the host till some smart lawyer asked how did you get that without a warrant! That was the end of their reign of terror. They can't prove who is actually downloading the goods. However, the laws in the US are in the process of changing. When that day comes only fools will have a dirty computer hooked up to the internet. They will start with the fools still downloading (the same ones using PeerGuardian with 6 month old lists) but if they run out of them they have you all on a list. If you are clean, they will have to guess you are smart enough not to get caught or it wasn't you in the first place.

Then they will go after newsgroups.

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It will interesting if they actually get the names of the isp. The RIAA did this and it got held up saying the ISP didnt have to reveal the indentity so we will see.

But lets face it will this stop piracy ? No What it will do is make proxy servers that much more popular.

Originally posted by Mez:

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In the bad old days when the RIAA was hammering Limewire and Kazza they used to get the OS serial # of the host till some smart lawyer asked how did you get that without a warrant! That was the end of their reign of terror. They can't prove who is actually downloading the goods. However, the laws in the US are in the process of changing. When that day comes only fools will have a dirty computer hooked up to the internet. They will start with the fools still downloading (the same ones using PeerGuardian with 6 month old lists) but if they run out of them they have you all on a list. If you are clean, they will have to guess you are smart enough not to get caught or it wasn't you in the first place.

Then they will go after newsgroups.

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Originally posted by John_Donn:

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Originally posted by Mez:

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In the bad old days when the RIAA was hammering Limewire and Kazza they used to get the OS serial # of the host till some smart lawyer asked how did you get that without a warrant! That was the end of their reign of terror. They can't prove who is actually downloading the goods. However, the laws in the US are in the process of changing. When that day comes only fools will have a dirty computer hooked up to the internet. They will start with the fools still downloading (the same ones using PeerGuardian with 6 month old lists) but if they run out of them they have you all on a list. If you are clean, they will have to guess you are smart enough not to get caught or it wasn't you in the first place.

Then they will go after newsgroups.

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Ha good luck coming after newsgroups

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Originally posted by Mez:

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What they are going to run into is an IP address is good enough for a warning but not for $1,500. Still, their point is made some will pay just for pease of mind.

Torrents has just gotten a bit more risky.

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Unless the laws are made retrospective, which is very very hard to do, so that exact scenario is unlikely to happen.

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Originally posted by Mez:

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Unless the laws are made retrospective, which is very very hard to do, so that exact scenario is unlikely to happen.

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What can't be done? Nothing needs to be retroactive.
I assure you they (the media) has very large lists of IP addresses compiled from multiple sources with all the stuff they think you have downloaded and total up and down loads they get from your client if they are not blocked. I assure you someone will get through at least once a month. That is all they need. In most countries they can't do anything legally about it. All this info was obtained legally. If the law in your country changes allowing a gov org to hack your computer if they suspect wrong doing, you don't think they will? You think the media will not provide the org with that list for their country? You don't think they will not hack into your computer if you downloaded more than a terabyte of stuff just to see if is still there. Maybe they will, maybe they will not. I do not think I will risk that. The colder the trail the bigger offender you will need to be for them to check you out. Lets say they catch you with a terabyte of stuff and they ask you were you got it. The list, gotten legally, says you got a terabyte from torrents. You will be hard pressed to deny it unless you can show proof that you have copyrights for everything. You think the media went to the expense of collecting all that info for nothing? Mind you no law has been passed in the US and who knows if it will be passed but they are working on it. Until it is passed you don't know what it will contain.

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If you say so mate.

Got it. Newsgroups with the secure connection there is nothing for them to see. Yes, you do not upload so you probably safe even without a secure connection. I feel they are good with movies but not so diverse with music as the torrents. I only pick up very rare music these days. I usually can't be bothered downloading a movie I can rent for $1.

Originally posted by Mez:

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Got it. Newsgroups with the secure connection there is nothing for them to see. Yes, you do not upload so you probably safe even without a secure connection. I feel they are good with movies but not so diverse with music as the torrents. I only pick up very rare music these days. I usually can't be bothered downloading a movie I can rent for $1.

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Originally posted by cammobus:

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Originally posted by Mez:

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What they are going to run into is an IP address is good enough for a warning but not for $1,500. Still, their point is made some will pay just for pease of mind.

Torrents has just gotten a bit more risky.

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the only IP Address they are going to get is the one for my WiFi Router

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Originally posted by xtago:

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If RIAA gets your IP address they send a letter off to the ISP asking for the details as it's become a matter in a court and generally it's expected the ISP has to comply so they send all your details to RIAA.

How else do you think they get the names and addresses.

Your router means nothing as it uses the IP address that your account is connected with, even on a dynamic DNS it won't matter because RIAA log the time you were on.

The only saving grace is most ISPs can't be bothered anymore because it's a waste of staff time.

With the laws how they are in the USA if you get taken to court for this then it you are already guilty and it's up to you to prove you didn't pirate it, that's the major fuck up.

I do wonder if these go under the 3 strike system because if it does then a few people could get life behind bar simply for downloading something.

the USA has 1% of it's own people in jail, the highest amount in the world.

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I am sure that the service providers can put up a list of ip addresses (or cable modems) that has large bandwidth usages. This does not imply,however,that those were used to download movies. i don't know about routers, either wifi or lan, in apartments or what. But they may be able to pinpoint some errant ip addresses. Imagine the time t will incur to produce such a list.

I believe that the propagation of pirated "Hurt Locker" movies may have come as a result of lax security on the producers' part.

They should also be careful about the promotions that they spread for this movie. Some of them may be in the form of watermarked dvd's.

they also need to define the word pirate. the simple downloader under the current definition is not a pirate.

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I believe ISPs see the copyright infringers for what they are cheap whores that want something for nothing. They demand everyone to jump through hoops for them and when they ask for a little expense money and they will not pay for anything.

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I believe ISPs see the copyright infringers for what they are cheap whores that want something for nothing. They demand everyone to jump through hoops for them and when they ask for a little expense money and they will not pay for anything.

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The problem with this is... if RIAA get your IP address and complain about it they want you off the net straight away.

Most ISPs aren't dealing with the emails or disconnections because they lose out on money and a customer only because a 3rd party isn't happy, and usually don't bother with the RIAA notices because they know they RIAA actually break the law themselves by downloading/uploading the "pirated" files they don't want pirated in the first place only to get IPs from the tracker.

In Australia the RIAA notices don't comply with Australian law because they get the IPs illegally and also don't go via the legal system so become invalid also iiNet get sent about 10,000+ RIAA notices for disconnection on a quiet hour, and they say this is silly as no one could be expected to look at 10,000+ emails an hour checking everything out and then disconnecting people, you'd go through a million customers in about a month at that rate.

ALso an email isn't a legal as there's no letter head and no address on them and simply say disconnect IP 22.103.61.204 due to downloading X files at X time, thanks RIAA.

For the court case iiNet had to print out all the emails sent over a 2 weeks they stopped when they had 6x1000 A4 (court bond) boxes stacked up on about 20+ wheeled carts and when iinet started rolling them in the judge said roll them back out I think there's a photo of the cart with the paper on them.

As you can't use emails in a court case, they don't mean anything unless printed out.

Even the judge was telling FAST(RIAA) sending this amount of emails is silly.

Anyway, ISPs aren't fussed about downloaders as they pay for a connection and generally pay top dollar because they want the best connections and at the end of the day.

Would you drop your best customer... because I told you they were idiots and you need to drop them straight away, probably not. in fact you'd probably tell me to get stuffed and that's whats a lot of ISPs are doing now as they are getting fed up with RIAA overall.

All RIAA have to do is an apple itunes type thing and they'd get some cash or simply take a pay cut and only become content producers and leave the selling to others but they aren't interested in any of that and own to control everything but really it too late for them to control much anymore.

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What they are going to run into is an IP address is good enough for a warning but not for $1,500. Still, their point is made some will pay just for pease of mind.

Torrents has just gotten a bit more risky.

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the only IP Address they are going to get is the one for my WiFi Router

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If RIAA gets your IP address they send a letter off to the ISP asking for the details as it's become a matter in a court and generally it's expected the ISP has to comply so they send all your details to RIAA.

How else do you think they get the names and addresses.

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iinet should of charged the RIAA a large fee for the paper work and filed a harrassment lawsuit against them.

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Open WiFi or "borrowing" your neighbors internet will not help you, and I dont see why this myth is still around. See you can change you IP address, but what you CANNOT change is the NNTP that is added to every action you do on the net with your computer. Even replying to this thread the server keeps a log of the nntp ID's and with that the RIAA can track you right to your doorstep as each one is as different as a finger print. And the nntp id CANNOT be changed without hosing your system as it is fine coded into each and every OS.

ANY hacker or cracker or computer coder will tell you this.

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Open WiFi or "borrowing" your neighbors internet will not help you, and I dont see why this myth is still around. See you can change you IP address, but what you CANNOT change is the NNTP that is added to every action you do on the net with your computer. Even replying to this thread the server keeps a log of the nntp ID's and with that the RIAA can track you right to your doorstep as each one is as different as a finger print. And the nntp id CANNOT be changed without hosing your system as it is fine coded into each and every OS.

ANY hacker or cracker or computer coder will tell you this.

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Open WiFi or "borrowing" your neighbors internet will not help you, and I dont see why this myth is still around. See you can change you IP address, but what you CANNOT change is the NNTP that is added to every action you do on the net with your computer. Even replying to this thread the server keeps a log of the nntp ID's and with that the RIAA can track you right to your doorstep as each one is as different as a finger print. And the nntp id CANNOT be changed without hosing your system as it is fine coded into each and every OS.

ANY hacker or cracker or computer coder will tell you this.

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Open WiFi or "borrowing" your neighbors internet will not help you, and I dont see why this myth is still around. See you can change you IP address, but what you CANNOT change is the NNTP that is added to every action you do on the net with your computer. Even replying to this thread the server keeps a log of the nntp ID's and with that the RIAA can track you right to your doorstep as each one is as different as a finger print. And the nntp id CANNOT be changed without hosing your system as it is fine coded into each and every OS.

ANY hacker or cracker or computer coder will tell you this.

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No, I may have mispoke and named it the nntp, I will have to recheck that, but thre is a specific code that is placed on every action that you do on the net, sort of a computer ID number. That "ID" is specifically set to your system and cannot be spoofed nor changed and that is the basic tenet of internet activity. See while it is possible to hide an IP address by using a private Proxy server, This helps to conceal your private IP information to a certain extent; it just is no safer then not hiding it.

A Proxy server is a network service which utilizes a dedicated computer on a remote network allowing internet users such as yourself to make indirect connections to other computers / websites using its own network connection. When using a proxy server, the recipient of your communications will see an IP address of the proxy server and not yours. There are plenty of proxy servers establishments on the world wide web that offer free online user accounts to hide your online identity. This, however, is not a bullet-proof method as there a risk using a Proxy Server. Really? Most definitely. Using an anonymous proxy server computer to hide your IP actually presents a more serious threat that contributes to the digital information leak. Since the digital data has to pass through a proxy server, any information you transmit through that server can be intercepted and searched, including your account login and password information that you may utilize for any of the online services/searches/downloads. In attempt to search a better privacy on Internet, people search and find the tools like the proxy servers, not realizing that the danger is actually greater using the proxy servers. Furthermore, in order to trace people's illegal activity, some governments setup the proxy servers to monitor activity of those people who are most likely to have something to hide.

Never access any of your digitally stored financial account information, including online credit card banking systems, initiate transfer of funds, pay your bills or mortgages online or register any online banking accounts that contain a secure information while using a free proxy server. As a matter of fact, most of the electronic identity theft cases targeted at financial sectors and being investigated worldwide are the direct result of digital information theft via utilization of so called free proxy servers that offer free online user accounts.

The problem grows even larger as every single Internet user has an IP number, therefore a chance of you becoming a victim of a malicious attack is minimized by the overwhelming pool of IP addresses available to those who exercise this type of activity. Second of all, to protect your privacy, the Internet Service Providers do not release any digitally stored legal or financial bank information to anyone but legal authorities. Therefore your private information connected to your ISP provider generally remains very secure. BUT, they still keep a record of every time you log in or log onto the net,how long you were on and where you went. Your computer also makes a log for this activity as well and most people are just not smart enough to know where to find these logs and even more think just deleting the logs will cover their tracks. The problem with that is these logs cover far more info then just surfing and could actually cause some major damage to your computer if you have a problem and neither you nor the techs have a log to find out exactly what happened to cause the problem.

There is still a chance though that you may become a target of an internet hacker attack. The IP address attack spoofs your local Internet connection by trying to forge your computer's IP via software vulnerabilities. If have your computer connected directly to a DSL or Cable Modem without a router or a firewall, a hacker may be able to access the private data on your computer, especially if you use file sharing. In this situation, it would not be a bad idea to get a good Firewall software along with an Antivirus software commonly used by people such as Antivir or Avast!, or a hardware router with a built in digital firewall. There is a definite advantage of having a hardware firewall built-in into a router. While a software firewall is good and gives you full control, it may be susceptible to viruses, misconfigurations and crashes, while a hardware firewall always runs in the background, allowing only outgoing traffic, giving you somewhat a limited control of your inbound traffic while providing you with the best possible protection from a dangerous inbound traffic.

Even so, there is still nothing you can do to hide your tracks by using someone else's WiFi as when you log onto it, that system makes a record of your computer ID fingerprint in it's logs clearly showing who what and when. So you would have to be able to have access to that set of logs to delete as you leave. And you have to admit that the skill needed to do this is just not available to 99.9% of computer users today and 99.9% of the people on this thread. I am not saying I possesses this skill either, nor am I saying I dont. What I am saying is that the vast majority of the people who use spoof programs just do not seem to understand that this does not make them a damn bit more safe in any event. And you also have to understand that this is how the Government got these people with Napster, as they traced this back to the user and I would bet that some of them thought they were safe as they were using spoofing programs, and found out that they didnt work. Same with Pirate Bay and torrents and ISO Hunt as well.

You need to understand that just because you have a "spoof" program, there is no documented proof that you are going to be any safer in using it then if you didnt.

That does not surprise me in the least that WIFIs ID your computer. That is relatively new vs the internet is very old, pre gui. Some persons interchange wireless networks with WIFIs.

Again you are way off with Napster. That was at the turn of the millenia. They didn't get any of the traders, only Napster. The RIAA figured that would be the end of piracy.

I know Mez, and some of the people reading this thread will ignore the advice given to them and after the people start getting knocks on their doors or letters demanding payment, they will look back and wish they had.

I can only give them this info, what they do with it is up to them

I'll guess we'll see how this case goes then.

Then you can give everybody a big, "I told you so!".

OK, so now let us presume that one of us is caught downloading big files from the internet, with the help of these servers. Now how would the "Hurt Locker" lawyers prove that this particular movie was the one downloaded. Remember that the producers' case would be against a specific downloading of the "Hurt Locker" movie. The case they will build will be a case relevant to this movie and nothing else. They still have to prove that the files downloaded were this movie's files.

Also, they have to prove that the source of the file (if they can determine which ip address is the source, is the source of this movie, and nothing else.

Even if one is caught with the movie in his possession, the source has to be pointed out. In other words, the case will need a source of the "Hurt Locker" movie, the transmission apparatus, time and duration transmitted, the ip address of the receiver of the files, and the disc generated by these files.

Their lawyers may have to prove that there has been proper security to prevent such pirate downloads, because if security is lax, or there has been no security at all, then the courts may decide that the producers are actually throwing the movie to the pirates.

It will be a big headache for the lawyers to catch even one culprit. I do not say that nobody will get caught. If they really are persistent in bringing one to court, they will bring one to court eventually.

Think about it this way, a download of a movie does not necessarily mean that the producers will lose money from this particular download. This will only be true if it is presumed that if there were no download of this movie, the one who failed to download it will go and pay to watch the movie. What about the presumption that the movie itself is not good enough to pay for?

But while we are talking about what the producers have threatened to accomplish, why don't we just wait and see if they will catch somebody.

$17 million dollars! That's absolute bullshit, man, because the ratings were steady at 78% on the unofficial Internet download chart over various websites that hold the film on its linked pages.
There are DVD's & BluRay movies today actually released to various "Sourced" websites for sharing throughout the P2P Communities, a fact that is seldom taken seriously. Simon Moon of Sharereactor may ring true with this fact. Read the Official details HERE.
If this Director wants to Blacklist himself from the public - Boycotting his future releases - then leave him to it.
You don't buy a car without a test drive first. With so much technology available on the Internetwork World Wide Web, you want to make sure that a film is worth the £5.00 to see at the cinema, while Cinema's charge over priced refreshments and food that is enough to keep even the most well paid publicans away.
In the future all Films will be rated this way, especially as DVD Screener's are put out 2 to the penny.
The very least that could happen is that the Users will leave their current IPS and go with one that agrees with the "Public Domain Law"; Anything that reaches the public domain becomes FREE of Copyright, unless that said file is being distributed "Knowingly" to another user. In lamons terms, if you leave a film in your "Download Folder" then you could be prosecuted. Move the file and you are safe.
I for one will be staying away from this Director's future releases on my P2P, for the fact that he lied about the Gross, which is in fact $40,016,144 and for the fact that someone else behind him is pulling the strings because they didn't get the fat wage cheque they were expecting.

Read More on the lying Director and the film he believes is worth losing a possible 5000 future Cinema/DVD Viewers HERE.

I'm outta here.

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OK, so now let us presume that one of us is caught downloading big files from the internet, with the help of these servers. Now how would the "Hurt Locker" lawyers prove that this particular movie was the one downloaded. Remember that the producers' case would be against a specific downloading of the "Hurt Locker" movie. The case they will build will be a case relevant to this movie and nothing else. They still have to prove that the files downloaded were this movie's files.

Also, they have to prove that the source of the file (if they can determine which ip address is the source, is the source of this movie, and nothing else.

Even if one is caught with the movie in his possession, the source has to be pointed out. In other words, the case will need a source of the "Hurt Locker" movie, the transmission apparatus, time and duration transmitted, the ip address of the receiver of the files, and the disc generated by these files.

Their lawyers may have to prove that there has been proper security to prevent such pirate downloads, because if security is lax, or there has been no security at all, then the courts may decide that the producers are actually throwing the movie to the pirates.

It will be a big headache for the lawyers to catch even one culprit. I do not say that nobody will get caught. If they really are persistent in bringing one to court, they will bring one to court eventually.

Think about it this way, a download of a movie does not necessarily mean that the producers will lose money from this particular download. This will only be true if it is presumed that if there were no download of this movie, the one who failed to download it will go and pay to watch the movie. What about the presumption that the movie itself is not good enough to pay for?

But while we are talking about what the producers have threatened to accomplish, why don't we just wait and see if they will catch somebody.

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the film only grossed $17 million USD domestic in theaters.

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Yeah, and how much did they make worldwide?
.... and how much on DVD?
.... and how much on legitimate download?
..... and how much on TV deals?
..... and how much on Blu-ray?

They think people are stupid and will swallow their ridiculous 'poor me...' tales.

They'll pick a few examples ('pirates? don't make me laugh) to ruin to hold up to try and scare the rest with.
Meanwhile the real 'pirates' (ie those producing and selling a physical copy) will carry on regardless.
Thank God I don't live in the USA with that stupid lunatic mess that is the US interpretation of copyright.

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why would I want to do that jemborg? They will be in enough trouble and wont need me to rub it in saying that "I Told You So" ... which I would not do even if I could.

Manolet...are you serious or just yanking peoples chain? If they caught you in posession of this movie and it was not out on dvd yet then at the very least they can charge you with possession of stolen items and force you under oath to tell where you got it from. As such you would still be looking at jail time. And they could even make the claim that you were the one that posted it originally as you have a copy of it. Maybe that would or wold not stick...who knows. But once you have been charged, then they are damn sure going to impound your computer and check the internet logs and that will fry you in a heartbeat as it will show how when and where you got this. So if you get caught with this...you're dead meat son!

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Your talking about MAC addresses each network hardware has it's own MAC address this is passed around within the packet.

You can change it to another MAC address via the internal software that comes on a router etc, as sometime you'll want another MAC address say on a UNI network and you have to give your MAC address of your router to the network admins instead of giving the new MAC address you can change it to the old dead hardware and thus pass through the firewall.

People spoof cable modem MAC address to get freebie cable net but you have to know what the other MAC address is you have to piggyback packets etc, it generally doesn't work these days as the headend now handles the MAC addresses and not the end user anymore.


Proxy server, keep all packets on them so you could/can sniff through all the packets on the server or sniff packets going to/from that proxy servers IP address, that's how you see who doing what on the TOR networks because the gateway server's aren't protected at all and you can simply packet sniff to your hearts content, it's probably worse to use the TOR network as it real easy to bust people using those networks.

Not all people have an IP address, if your behind a router then your IP address doesn't exist on the net and never will because it can't be routed on the net, any IP range with in the 10.0.0.0-255 and 192.168.0.1-255 and some others can't be routed on the net in other words if you send them out they will only get to your ISP headend and that's it.

Routers piggyback your pretend non-routable IP address on one that can be routed and that is passed with in the packet as well otherwise the returning packets won't get back to your computer and end up lost or dropped on the net.

Everything is traceable on the net you can't really get out of it because you need an IP address to send stuff to and also to get stuff back, but open servers also allow people to look into and see what your doing and torrent servers are open servers.

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Your talking about MAC addresses each network hardware has it's own MAC address this is passed around within the packet.

You can change it to another MAC address via the internal software that comes on a router etc, as sometime you'll want another MAC address say on a UNI network and you have to give your MAC address of your router to the network admins instead of giving the new MAC address you can change it to the old dead hardware and thus pass through the firewall.

People spoof cable modem MAC address to get freebie cable net but you have to know what the other MAC address is you have to piggyback packets etc, it generally doesn't work these days as the headend now handles the MAC addresses and not the end user anymore.


Proxy server, keep all packets on them so you could/can sniff through all the packets on the server or sniff packets going to/from that proxy servers IP address, that's how you see who doing what on the TOR networks because the gateway server's aren't protected at all and you can simply packet sniff to your hearts content, it's probably worse to use the TOR network as it real easy to bust people using those networks.

Not all people have an IP address, if your behind a router then your IP address doesn't exist on the net and never will because it can't be routed on the net, any IP range with in the 10.0.0.0-255 and 192.168.0.1-255 and some others can't be routed on the net in other words if you send them out they will only get to your ISP headend and that's it.

Routers piggyback your pretend non-routable IP address on one that can be routed and that is passed with in the packet as well otherwise the returning packets won't get back to your computer and end up lost or dropped on the net.

Everything is traceable on the net you can't really get out of it because you need an IP address to send stuff to and also to get stuff back, but open servers also allow people to look into and see what your doing and torrent servers are open servers.

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Xtago....no offense man but you are dangerous with what little you know. Even if you are behind a router...your ISP logs this routers ID as well as the server that you connect to. All the people need to do is take this ID and go to a list that the US Justice Department keeps and type in the numbers...that will tell them the make and the model and maker of the router and then where this router was sent..ie to what store. They contact that store and they now have a sales receipt of who bought it and leading right back to your home. Just because you are behind a router does not make you bullet proof dude!

And no I am not talking about a MAC address. If I ment a MAC address I would have said that. Check with intel and they will tell you that each and every chip in each and every PC/mac/laptop/netbook/etc ALL place an individual ID code on each transaction that is done on the net no matter what it is. How do you think they were able to hunt down and nail the people running the pre-release music site that you had to know someone to get an invite and even then had to go through a background check to join. It was called Hogg or Snort or Pigg or some such and was based in Cleveland Ohio. They not only nailed the head of this by backtracking him via this code...but they nailed each and every person who was a member of this group as well! This was reported in the USA Today national newspaper and the final thing the agent said in the story was "With this code, if we want you..we got you. There is no longer any place to hide."

So as I said...you log onto your neighbors WiFi and he can nail you even if you think your being sneaky as my brother traced a connection to his computer right back to our local college AND right to the user of the account all because of computer logs that this person seemingly did not know how to remove to hide his tracks. The FBI and Interpol used this code I am speaking of to destroy three international pedophile groups that passed child porn back and forth between them...with one being a high ranking member of the English Government and another being a member of the Canadian Government.

In closing, let me tell you something. I was in the military with a security clearance of Cosmic Top Secret. In short my security clearance was one step below what the US President has! The reason I tell you this is that all you need to do is rent two movies...Untraceable with Diane Ladd and Enemy of the State with Will Smith and Gene Hackman. Now look at the equipment they use in the movies. That was STANDARD EQUIPMENT for the US Military and Secret Service back in 1985!!! The US Government is already 6 steps ahead of you right now. They already have Internet 4 connections with a transfer rate of 10GBPS! They already have a petabyte hard drive and are working on a zetabyte hard drive. Their computers can do 287.9 TRILLION computations per second where at best your latest an most modded overclocked home computer and server can do maybe 2 million computations per second. Not to mention they have forgot more about computing then you or I will ever know in 3000 lifetimes. Dont believe me? Take a trip to Ft Mead Maryland. Now look at all the acres and acres they have of sat dishes and receivers. They are not using them for their health bubba.

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LOL, your talking about MAC addresses. from wiki.

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In computer networking, a Media Access Control address (MAC address) is a unique identifier assigned to most network adapters or network interface cards (NICs) by the manufacturer for identification, and used in the Media Access Control protocol sub-layer. If assigned by the manufacturer, a MAC address usually encodes the manufacturer's registered identification number. It may also be known as an Ethernet Hardware Address (EHA), hardware address, adapter address, or physical address.

There are three numbering spaces, managed by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE), which are in common use for formulating a MAC address: MAC-48, EUI-48, and EUI-64. The IEEE claims trademarks on the names "EUI-48" and "EUI-64", where "EUI" stands for Extended Unique Identifier.

Although intended to be a permanent and globally unique identification, it is possible to change the MAC address on most of today's hardware, an action often referred to as MAC spoofing. Unlike IP address spoofing, where a sender spoofing their address in a request tricks the other party into sending the response elsewhere, in MAC address spoofing, the response is received by the spoofing party. However, MAC address spoofing is limited to the local broadcast domain.

A host cannot determine from the MAC address of another host whether that host is on the same OSI Layer 2 or Data Link Layer network segment as the sending host, or on a network segment bridged to that network segment.

In TCP/IP networks, the MAC address of a subnet interface can be queried with the IP address (OSI Layer 3) using the Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) for Internet Protocol Version 4 (IPv4) or the Neighbor Discovery Protocol (NDP) for IPv6. On broadcast networks, such as Ethernet, the MAC address uniquely identifies each node on that segment and allows frames to be marked for specific hosts. It thus forms the basis of most of the Link layer (OSI Layer 2) networking upon which upper layer protocols rely to produce complex, functioning networks.

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In closing, let me tell you something. I was in the military with a security clearance of Cosmic Top Secret. In short my security clearance was one step below what the US President has!

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The Hurt Locker:

Production Budget: $15 million

Total Lifetime Grosses:

Domestic: $16,400,000 (as of 21 March 2010)

+ Foreign: $32,193,078 (as of 16 May 2010)

= Worldwide: $48,593,078

U.S. Release Totals:

Widest Release: 535 theaters
In Release: 185 days / 26.4 weeks

Put the movie out to a wider release, then I'm sure they would have made more money.

Tell the truth, I'm not so interested in crappy theatre recorded movies as I am in TV programs we are years behind in Oz.

You still have to determine that file-sharing is actually theft and that in the USA you can only legally sue for damages in a civil suit... so that could be argued to be the cost of the ticket and nothing more, even if you had inadvertently made the file available for others to download at the same time (you can't be responsible for their actions).

Sorry DXR88, routers do INDEED have an ID number and any ISP will tell you the same thing. This is what is so frustrating is when you tell someone something they refuse to believe it even when it can be documented with a 5 sec check. Sorta like back in 1995 when we were telling people that you could include links to items in jpegs and mpegs and they refused to believe it...right up till a national news story on ABC News as well as CNN confirmed what we had been saying for over a year.

Maybe you should have checked first before answering?

I dont know if routers have an ID number or not but i do know everytime i connect or disconnect to the internet my ISP is fully aware of it so there is a way of tracking it.

@jemborg i know what you mean about the tv i live in OZ and have seen countless repeats of simpsons,southpark and topgear and many other shows.on the othernote we are ahead in home and away and neighbours.

As for piracy its not officially stealing a product but it is stealing data.well technically it isnt even stealing its more copying/cloning.if you copy something that has been made by someone and copyrighted by them you can be prosecuted unless you have their written permission.

And if they can track when you came on and when you log off, they can track you. No if's and's or buts about it. And if your ISP can track you...what makes anyone think for one second that the RIAA or MPAA could not do the same thing with the billions they have to spend on equipment that we can only dream of and drool over

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Sorry DXR88, routers do INDEED have an ID number and any ISP will tell you the same thing. This is what is so frustrating is when you tell someone something they refuse to believe it even when it can be documented with a 5 sec check. Sorta like back in 1995 when we were telling people that you could include links to items in jpegs and mpegs and they refused to believe it...right up till a national news story on ABC News as well as CNN confirmed what we had been saying for over a year.

Maybe you should have checked first before answering?

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Manolet...are you serious or just yanking peoples chain? If they caught you in posession of this movie and it was not out on dvd yet then at the very least they can charge you with possession of stolen items and force you under oath to tell where you got it from. As such you would still be looking at jail time. And they could even make the claim that you were the one that posted it originally as you have a copy of it. Maybe that would or wold not stick...who knows. But once you have been charged, then they are damn sure going to impound your computer and check the internet logs and that will fry you in a heartbeat as it will show how when and where you got this. So if you get caught with this...you're dead meat son!

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HEY! If Daniel_1 certifies that the military has all those superfast and super-powerful computers,then our prime suspects for stealing movies are those from the military!

They can do this by intercepting the .vob files sent to other international partners.

Makes sense, no?

Frankly, I did not like the movie that much. It beats me how it won the Award.

Perhaps the Award was meant to give the movie a boost at the biox-office.

But I must admit, the controversy that the producers started is now giving the movie a better billing than before internationally.

No need to link it DXR88, fire up that router and then contact your ISP and see if they have you on line. You have to have an ISP ID to connect to the net unless you are wealthy enough to be able to pay better then $12,000.00 a year to have your own direct access to the net as ISP's do Therefor your Router MUST "shake hands" with the ISP server, and they MUST have someway to know it is you. Therefor it does not take a rocket scientist to understand that the router MUST have some sort of an ID.

Oh and BTW, check with motorola.com and they will tell you the same thing I just did.

Dont see why this is seemingly so hard for you to believe.


Oh and manolet...dude we have sat's that can read a license plate from 200 miles up as well as count the dimples on a golf ball. Not to mention being able to snatch your calls and emails right out of the eather and read them and then send them on so that you dont even know they have done it. Since you want to be sarcastic about my reply...maybe you should read up on internet 4 http://www.internet4classrooms.com/ (transfer rate 10GBPS) or this http://www.level3.com/index.cfm?pageID=535 and remember that most ISP's that are used at home are level 2 where dialup's are level 1.
And you need to get real. The SR-71 Blackbird Stealth Bomber's flight computer is 10 times more powerful; and faster then anything you have or can buy and that plane is decommissioned meaning the USAF and the US Govt have something better. And that is called the Aurora SR-X Hypersonic Spy Plane which has speeds starting at Mach 5.4 (3600 mph) to as high as Mach 13.64 or 9000 mph and the computers for that are 10 times more powerful then the ones for the SR-71, thus making them 20 times more powerful then any computer you can buy or make. They have to be to keep the pilots from being turned into mush by g-forces.

And with all that, are you STILL doubting they have faster and better computers then you ever will?

well the government has an unlimited amount of money.well some governments seem to have.yes a latest state of the art military plane might be able to travel at 3600mph but how fast can it send an email and who has the skill levels to fly at 3600mph and type an email at the same time???comparing an aircraft to a home computer is pointless as they do different things and are built for different purposes.i have no doubt the government has the ability to listen in to phone calls and emails but if they have a sat that can read a number plate from 200miles away and can read the dimples on a golf ball why are people still getting away with crime???the government can have all the technology they want but if they dont use it properly its pointless.

BTW:i didnt like the hurt locker watched an hour of it and thought ive wasted an hour of my life.

Not pointless xboxdvl2, it is just showing the disbelievers that the government can indeed and does indeed have faster and more powerful computers then these readers can dream of having. And you do have to have some skill to fly this plane, but the computer helps out quite a bit in setting vectors and turn radius instead of you doing it in your head like the old bi-plane pilots had to do. And the other point xboxdvl2 is that if they can make these computers that fast and powerful...then why would they stop at just these? They already have hand held computers that have a 500GB solid state hard drive for int the field.


Manolet started this all with a sarcastic reply about the Gov pirating movies and downloading them. my whole point was to show him and others that the Gov has these computers and to show him that if they wanted you, they got you no matter what precautions you tried to take as every time you come up with one, the Gov has already got a work around or will have one very soon after.

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Manolet started this all with a sarcastic reply about the Gov pirating movies and downloading them. my whole point was to show him and others that the Gov has these computers and to show him that if they wanted you, they got you no matter what precautions you tried to take as every time you come up with one, the Gov has already got a work around or will have one very soon after.

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You know DXR asks you for a simple link and you give this (a sample)...

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...Oh and manolet...dude we have sat's that can read a license plate from 200 miles up as well as count the dimples on a golf ball. Not to mention being able to snatch your calls and emails right out of the eather and read them and then send them on so that you dont even know they have done it. Since you want to be sarcastic about my reply...maybe you should read up on internet 4 http://www.internet4classrooms.com/ (transfer rate 10GBPS) or this http://www.level3.com/index.cfm?pageID=535 and remember that most ISP's that are used at home are level 2 where dialup's are level 1.
And you need to get real. The SR-71 Blackbird Stealth Bomber's flight computer is 10 times more powerful; and faster then anything you have or can buy and that plane is decommissioned meaning the USAF and the US Govt have something better. And that is called the Aurora SR-X Hypersonic Spy Plane which has speeds starting at Mach 5.4 (3600 mph) to as high as Mach 13.64 or 9000 mph and the computers for that are 10 times more powerful then the ones for the SR-71, thus making them 20 times more powerful then any computer you can buy or make. They have to be to keep the pilots from being turned into mush by g-forces.

And with all that, are you STILL doubting they have faster and better computers then you ever will?

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I guess it might be a beat on Dan day...

Jemborg, good point about atmospheric aberrations. They are what you see when you look at things far off while looking across hot ground. At 200 miles off, freezing cold will still have those ripples in the air. If you could count the dimples on a golf ball from a satellite photo that would be something. Even the spy plane photos are not close to that good. You can read license plates if you are lucky. Dan if satellite photos are so fine why does the US still use spy plains. The Blackbird was not a bomber but a spy plane that has been out of commission for a decade.

Computer speed! Mine just sits there.

Dan, you really need to be more careful before you write stuff like that where many persons that know more than you will read your foolishness. I am guessing you really don't know what your are talking about while I think Jemborg figures you are talking nonsense on purpose.

Mez, it's not even about hot or cold but the inherent Brownian motion of gas/fluids. Atmospheric Interference is the term given to the phenomenon in astronomy.

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Manolet...are you serious or just yanking peoples chain? If they caught you in posession of this movie and it was not out on dvd yet then at the very least they can charge you with possession of stolen items and force you under oath to tell where you got it from. As such you would still be looking at jail time. And they could even make the claim that you were the one that posted it originally as you have a copy of it. Maybe that would or wold not stick...who knows. But once you have been charged, then they are damn sure going to impound your computer and check the internet logs and that will fry you in a heartbeat as it will show how when and where you got this. So if you get caught with this...you're dead meat son!

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Manolet...are you serious or just yanking peoples chain? If they caught you in posession of this movie and it was not out on dvd yet then at the very least they can charge you with possession of stolen items and force you under oath to tell where you got it from. As such you would still be looking at jail time. And they could even make the claim that you were the one that posted it originally as you have a copy of it. Maybe that would or wold not stick...who knows. But once you have been charged, then they are damn sure going to impound your computer and check the internet logs and that will fry you in a heartbeat as it will show how when and where you got this. So if you get caught with this...you're dead meat son!

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To nip this 'Misconception' in the bud right now, what you have just written would scare the bejesus out of a ten year old downloading his weekly fix of Glee, High School Musical The Series or Drake & Josh. In the real world, and that includes the UK, there is a "Right" to possess a copy of any film, as long as there are never two copies of the same film found in a person's possession.
Authoring Software has never been illegal in any country, because whether you want to call it State Right, Human Right or Constitutional Right, you are allowed to back up any movie to DVD, VHS [if you're still stuck in the 80's] or BluRay [If you can afford the Burners]. And before anyone begins to say that it IS illegal! Talk with any solicitor or lawyer and they will tell you, the only way that you can be prosecuted for copyright theft is by leaving downloaded material in your P2P Clients Folder, or if you have more than one copy of a film.
Example: A downloaded copy of Resident Evil 3: Afterlife is left in your Incoming Folder and is detected or found by the DTI/MPAA or whoever, you will be prosecuted to the highest degree.
If you download it and move the material to somewhere [anywhere] on your computer, then the crisis is over. In other words, whatever cannot be detected on your computer from the internet is safe from getting the downloader into trouble.
Latest estimates claim that more than 20 million Brits download illegally in the UK, in the US, illegal downloading is off the charts, and yet only 8% of Americans are prosecuted, next to 3% in the UK. Now who's scared?

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Mez, it's not even about hot or cold but the inherent Brownian motion of gas/fluids. Atmospheric Interference is the term given to the phenomenon in astronomy.

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More usefull info,study.!

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More usefull info,study.!

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@ Mez good video. The sort of minimum atmospheric interference that you have to deal with at least, up or down, I was talking about is due to Brownian motion but what you say is important. I should have written, "...it's not just about hot or cold..."

Yes, this is outwardly off-topic but still responses to a post of Daniel_1 were he seems to go off the deep end. Basically I was wondering what of his other pronouncements could be trusted under the circumstances.

No one is fooling me jemborg, here is your link to a scientific site that clearly shows what the sat cameras can do http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journ...ETRY=1&SRETRY=0 and these are just the ones that the Government allows you to access. Do you honestly think for one second that they would allow you access to the top secret spy sats they have there? Of better yet, please explan how they were able to take a picture of a group on the ground and know that this was Bin Laden from 200 miles up? That photo was shown all; over CNN and MSNBC and the other alphabet soup news companies and channels. Guess that disproves what you stated. Oh and BTW the simple little archer fish shows that you dont know what your talking about. The fish is underwater and lights bends there, yet the fish can accurately spit a stream of water up and out and hit a bug on a branch or in flight, knocking it back in to the water for it's meal. Using what you stated about motion of gas/fluids, this simple little action would be impossible, yet here it is. And you need to bone up on your astronomy before using terms that you have no idea what they mean. Atmospheric Interference is NOT used in astronomy...

(¦at·mə¦sfir·ik ′in·tər′fir·əns)

(geophysics) Electromagnetic radiation, caused by natural electrical disturbances in the atmosphere, which interferes with radio systems. Also known as atmospherics; sferics; strays.

in short this deals ONLY with screwing up radio signals, not photography. In Astronomy this is called "LIGHT POLLUTION" and is the reason that telescopes are on top of mountains as the light from the surrounding areas messes about with the picture. BUT this only goes from ground up, not sky down. Any astronomer will tell you the same thing

Again Mez, if they want you they have you. Oink thought they were safe a it was an intro only group...yet the Gov came in and not only closed them down, but nailed EVERY member of that group. How did they do it? Simple, the FBI proudly states they did this by SERVER LOGS!!! And I bet that quite a few of them used routers or Hide IP or some such nonsense thinking they were safe. Now they know different.

As I said I was in the military and my security clearance (Cosmic Top Secret)lets me know about items that you have no idea exists. These have been declassified so I can pass these along to you. Think Buck Rogers and his ray gun are fantasy? Think again! The US Military will be introducing backpack laser pistols and rifles inside of the next 4 years for their delta force and some special forces units. Think you need a glider to glide now? Think Again! They now have a glider suit/wing suit that allows you to darn near fly http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...9-wingsuit.html the US Government has already adapted this with a small chemical rocket that greatly extends the limit of this suit. Special forces already use a form of this for their actions instead of parachutes.


As you can see, I am not yanking anyones chain here...but if you sre silly enough to think you can bypass or elude the Government if they really want you, hey..be my guest. Just be sure to let us know what jail you are in so we can ship you some soap on a rope.

DXR88, you are correct. Making copies of stuff you bought is a right given to you by the US Supreme Court in the Betamax decision back in the 70's. On the other hand, in Canada AND the US it IS illegal to own the software that allows you to do this. The fact of the matter is that the legal issues in many countries are not yet fully resolved. In the USA, for example, it is legal to make a backup of an audio CD but (possibly?) not of a video DVD. The crucial American legislation is the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 which outlaws devices or services aimed at circumventing copyright protection technologies. This law appears to be somewhat fuzzy around the edges, however. In 2004, a San Francisco federal judge ruled that some DVD copying products from a company called 321 Studios were illegal on the grounds that they circumvented CSS (Content Scrambling System) encryption technology. The San Francisco ruling did not, however, state that DVD copying itself was illegal. 321 Studio responded by releasing a new DVD copying product without decryption. But very few commercially available DVD movies lack CSS encryption, so it is not surprising that this product failed to achieve the popularity of its predecessor. 321 Studio subsequently ceased operations.

A similarly named product called 123 Copy DVD is now available. This lacks built-in decryption but provides links to a 3rd party plugin which does decrypt. The company claims that its product is legal in the USA. However, when you click the link to download the plugin, a message warns “Some 3rd party plug-ins not legal in certain areas around the world.”

In some European countries, it is either legal or at least not definitely illegal to make personal backup copies of a DVD. In Germany it is illegal to distribute any software capable of evading copy protection. In Norway the legality of breaking the CSS algorithm was tested in 1999, when the algorithm was made public by Jon Johansen. Mr Johansen cracked the algorithm in order to create a program to play DVDs on computer running the Linux operating system. He then posted his program code, DeCSS, on the Internet. The movie industry took Johansen to Court - and lost! In January 2003, the court ruled that Norwegian citizens were free to make copies of DVDs which they had bought legally. The Motion Picture Association of America was far from overjoyed by this ruling. In a statement they said: “ The actions of serial hackers such as Mr. Johansen are damaging to honest consumers everywhere. While the ruling does not affect laws outside of Norway, we believe this decision encourages circumvention of copyright that threatens consumer choice and employment in the film and television industries.”

IN essence what they are saying is that you can copy, just not DECRYPT. And since 99.9% of these are encrypted,..well I will let you figure out the rest.

Dan, I was not able to get to your site interscience.wiley.com give me a cookie error I will try to fix that. You have not been able to answer the obvious question why do they continue to use spy planes if the satellite pictures are as good as you say they are. Maybe they are taking pictures of DNA?

I am sure if the government wants me they can get me but then I am not trying to hide. I am sure that just used the originating IP address to find the users of Oink. That is how they 'catch' everyone. I used the term 'catch' because just because they were caught doesn't mean they were truly guilty. When they ran DNA tests on evidence for death row inmates only half were actually guilty. You do not have to have committed a crime to be convicted of the crime. I am completely convinced if you really know what you are doing and disciplined enough not to make any mistakes you can cover your tracks. I know at least one hacker that they can't trace because that person is careful. That person taps into someone else's router and monitors and logs the host computer for probes. If the probes get too close all traces are removed and another host is used. It takes months before the probes get close again. BTW all the hardware used in that project were purchased with cash so even if a probe was smart enough to get back to the mother computer it would still come up with nothing. The software was purchased used at a thrift shop with cash.

You were looking at the wrong type of atmospheric interference. I posted a link on youtube demonstrating this interference yesterday. The one mentioned was optical because pictures are optical. What does a radio system have to do with a photograph? This lack of grasp of what you are arguing makes you less credible. What do an archer fish, ray guns and a glider suit have to do with this discussion?

I had the same "cookie error", first time I've seen that happen, let me know how you go Mez, otherwise I'm suss. Probably trying to load up spyware and can't because of Spybot Immunisation or AB+ privacy blocking. Only because it blocks ads I've had a site complain about AB+ but at least they've been more direct about it. I'll try in Linux later with Chromium maybe.

Dan... yeah Atmospheric Interference is a term used in Astronomy, it has nothing to do with light pollution or the rest of what you said and everything to do with what I said. It's what causes the stars seen with the giant Keck array to shimmer even on a clear night on Mauna Kea . It why the Hubble telescope with it's small mirror is/was so important. It occurs over long distances so the Archer fish illustration is another spurious example. Refraction is the issue with them and they just compensate for that mentally. Incidentally, I had the pleasure of friends who had an Archer fish which was trained (coaxed?) to shoot down fish-food on the side of the tank. So I saw that phenomenon in their living room. It's unheard of for an Archer fish to do it raised in captivity and meant to be impossible, only known instance of it I know of.

Having a backpack that can contain enough battery energy to power a laser to drill through metal, kevlar or even a human flesh in a field situation is impossible. Using one for sighting and/or blinding the enemy is done now.

Considering you're so laughably and arrogantly wrong about the above I have to draw the conclusion that you are either a bad BS artist or completely deluded. A conspiracy nut with delusions of grandeur.

Jemborg, I am well armored as well. It is a bit of work to disable all that crap. As you said I use many sites like this one that use cookies. Maybe the dogs just don't like the 'smell' of this one.

Mez, I have answered the questions put to me I dont know how many times, it is not my fault that people just cannot seem to understand logic and validated facts.

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Again Mez, if they want you they have you. Oink thought they were safe a it was an intro only group...yet the Gov came in and not only closed them down, but nailed EVERY member of that group. How did they do it? Simple, the FBI proudly states they did this by SERVER LOGS!!! And I bet that quite a few of them used routers or Hide IP or some such nonsense thinking they were safe. Now they know different.

As I said I was in the military and my security clearance (Cosmic Top Secret)lets me know about items that you have no idea exists. These have been declassified so I can pass these along to you. Think Buck Rogers and his ray gun are fantasy? Think again! The US Military will be introducing backpack laser pistols and rifles inside of the next 4 years for their delta force and some special forces units. Think you need a glider to glide now? Think Again! They now have a glider suit/wing suit that allows you to darn near fly http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...9-wingsuit.html the US Government has already adapted this with a small chemical rocket that greatly extends the limit of this suit. Special forces already use a form of this for their actions instead of parachutes.


As you can see, I am not yanking anyones chain here...but if you sre silly enough to think you can bypass or elude the Government if they really want you, hey..be my guest. Just be sure to let us know what jail you are in so we can ship you some soap on a rope.

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I know Oink was a music only site, but they had more protections then ft knox and they used routers and hide my IP as well. My neighbor was a member of this group and he is now serving 3 to 5 in state prison. So please dont try and tell me you are safe in using this stuff as I know better. Especially since he was leeching off my account and I got the knock at the door first. But after looking at my computer logs and thus proving that I was not the one that did it, all they had to do was get his router ID and back trace it to him.

So since I lived this nightmare...do not ANYONE try and tell me it cannot be done as this action by my scuzzy neighbor damn near cost me my security clearance (and yes I am not in the army any longer but you keep your security clearance after you leave because of all the top secret stuff you saw while in the military and yes every two years all your neighbors and police and family are asked questions abut you by big mofo's with no sense of humor.

Fire Fox does not like that site. I think it had a security addon. I still could not find that page. Was it under journals?

Unanswered questions; why do we still have spy planes if we can see dimples on golf balls from satellites? Spy planes are a real bummer. I knew someone second hand that flew Blackbirds. I told my friend when he told me is brother flew Blackbirds 'it must be wonderful to fly the fastest plane on earth'. He told me round trip is over 12 hrs. The pilots have to do lots of weird stuff including diapers to function and to sit in a cockpit for that long. They use an insane amount of fuel, manned spy flights are a liability. The 'good satellite' pictures were always from small unmanned ultra-light gliders that were probably dropped by spy planes. They took pictures from only a few miles up. The wings were made from clear plastic like cellophane and I guess they self destructed or got picked up by spy planes. Very little has ever been released about these. These probably can get license plates.

I have done a little astronomy myself. Check the formula for Angular resolution. That tells you how big a lens has to be to resolve an angle. The angel of 1 mm arc at 200 miles radius is VERY small. The lens needed to resolve dimples of a golf ball at 200 miles is far bigger than a foot ball stadium if the glass was perfect and there was no atmosphere. I guess they put those into space with their warp drive flying saucers! The degrees of the arc is 180/2*10^10 you can plug that into your equation found @ Angular resolution formula
Use the formula for a single telescope since the cameras only have one lens. There example in the case of yellow light with a wavelength of 580 nm, for a resolution of 0.1 arc second, we need D = 1.2 m. Our average light is yellow. I doubt that spy satellite lenses are much more than a meter due to the weight. You are off by many,many 0s.

While everyone tries to prove how much they know about the atmosphere and scientific advances, the topic is losing participants. In truth, spy planes may not have anything to do with downloading movies illicitly.

Think of it this way (which actually implies let's get back to the topic), if a sheepherder has his whole pastureland surrounded with a fence, this would let the wolves out. If, however, he neglects to make the fence secure, the wolves will find a way to get through. They may be so cunning as to dig under the fence, widen some holes in the fence, or even learn how to pole-vault over the fence. It is therefore the sheepherder's enterprise to secure his fence. Likewise is the wolves' enterprise to try to get through the fence. If the wolves succeed in getting through, then the sheepherder is at fault The best thing that he could do is not to go after the wolves and wreak vengeance on them. He should build a more secure fence, no?

It was the Voltage producers' fault not to secure their investment. Now they go after the downloaders of the movie to wreak vengeance on them. The best thing for them to do is to devise new ways to secure their investment. So goes with the other producers.

And for those who profess to know a lot of things, try examining the Big Bang Theory to look for flaws.

The reason for the spy planes MEZ is simple. Sats are set in a stationary orbit and cannot be moved. Therefor they pass over a specific target at only certain times of the day. Know when they pass over and you can avoid them.

Now planes can pass over ANYTIME of the day or night and there is no way to avoid them as by the time you suspect they are passing over, they already have as they are so far up in the atmosphere that the only way you would know they were coming is if you had a facility to track them, and that sort of eludes the whole concept of being secret. And with the new Aurora hypersonic plane, by the time you knew they were there, they were already gone...and that is even if you could track them as they are invisible to radar

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The reason for the spy planes MEZ is simple. Sats are set in a stationary orbit and cannot be moved. Therefor they pass over a specific target at only certain times of the day. Know when they pass over and you can avoid them.

Now planes can pass over ANYTIME of the day or night and there is no way to avoid them as by the time you suspect they are passing over, they already have as they are so far up in the atmosphere that the only way you would know they were coming is if you had a facility to track them, and that sort of eludes the whole concept of being secret. And with the new Aurora hypersonic plane, by the time you knew they were there, they were already gone...and that is even if you could track them as they are invisible to radar

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...damn near cost me my security clearance (and yes I am not in the army any longer but you keep your security clearance after you leave because of all the top secret stuff you saw while in the military...

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While everyone tries to prove how much they know about the atmosphere and scientific advances, the topic is losing participants. In truth, spy planes may not have anything to do with downloading movies illicitly.

And for those who profess to know a lot of things, try examining the Big Bang Theory to look for flaws.

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@Mez, I've been rather amused myself.

Big deal if a topic goes astray, or seems to, as long as it's entertaining... people are just too anal at times.

And don't get me started on The Big Bang Theory... LOL.

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@Mez, I've been rather amused myself.

Big deal if a topic goes astray, or seems to, as long as it's entertaining... people are just too anal at times.

And don't get me started on The Big Bang Theory... LOL.

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Jemborg, I am not making a thing up and you should stop showing your ignorance. Contact the USAF and see if the Blackbird is being decommissioned or not and they will tell you it is. Contact the US Pentagon and ask them about the Aurora fighter plane and they will confirm that it does in fact exist and does exactly what I said it does. Then go back to the Sat command of the USAF or even NASA in florida and ask them if these spy sats are in a stationary orbit and they will confirm they are.

You know jemborg, it seems that every time you open your mouth your ignorance shows through. Maybe you need to stop flappin your gums and check the facts once in a while, but since you dont seem to know how, here is a site that will teach you how much you do NOT know http://www.spacetoday.org/Satellites/SatBytes/SatOrbits.html

I have hear of intentional ignorance jemborg, and now when I look it up I see a picture of you. Just goes to show that since you made up your answers and got them debunked, what else are you wrong on? Quite probably everything.

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Jemborg, I am not making a thing up and you should stop showing your ignorance. Contact the USAF and see if the Blackbird is being decommissioned or not and they will tell you it is. Contact the US Pentagon and ask them about the Aurora fighter plane and they will confirm that it does in fact exist and does exactly what I said it does. Then go back to the Sat command of the USAF or even NASA in florida and ask them if these spy sats are in a stationary orbit and they will confirm they are.

You know jemborg, it seems that every time you open your mouth your ignorance shows through. Maybe you need to stop flappin your gums and check the facts once in a while, but since you dont seem to know how, here is a site that will teach you how much you do NOT know http://www.spacetoday.org/Satellites/SatBytes/SatOrbits.html

I have hear of intentional ignorance jemborg, and now when I look it up I see a picture of you. Just goes to show that since you made up your answers and got them debunked, what else are you wrong on? Quite probably everything.

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DXR88 I am not defending any imagination. I am stating facts and giving links and telling where I got my info from. It is jemborg and now seemingly you that refuse to accept the truth and continue on with this attack because you dont want to check the sources.


I dont really give a care if you believe me or not, I know my facts are rock solid and so would you if you would take less time saying they are not true and more time actually doing what seems alien to you and that is looking at the links. And as for the sats stationary orbit, I ALREADY DID prove it and you would know that if you bothered to look at the link. Or contact the USAF in the Pentagon. But since you seem to be too lazy to do that, here is the phone number Pentagon Switchboard 703-545-6700 and here is the address 1400 Defense Pentagon, Washington DC 20301-1400

Now since I have proven what I stated I can indeed call people ignorant who refuse to see it, and I dont worry about my credibility as since I have been providing links, it is much stronger then yours or jemborgs.

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I dont really give a care if you believe me or not, I know my facts are rock solid and so would you if you would take less time saying they are not true and more time actually doing what seems alien to you and that is looking at the links. And as for the sats stationary orbit, I ALREADY DID prove it and you would know that if you bothered to look at the link.

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I stand by what I said. If you don't wish to check out the links and phone numbers I gave you, then it is pretty hypocritical for you to insist they are incorrect

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I stand by what I said. If you don't wish to check out the links and phone numbers I gave you, then it is pretty hypocritical for you to insist they are incorrect

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Again since you just dont seem to get it, I stand by what I posted as it is all validated. No skin off my nose if you refuse to check as that says quite a lot about your posts to me on this subject...that you just cannot be bothered with allowing truth and facts to get in the way of your beliefs. And isnt it so very telling about you and your claims that according to Airman Scheffer (the person manning the phones at the USAF in the Pentagon) that no one has bothered to call them and ask about the Aurora? Or about the STATIONARY orbits of 99.9% of all sats? I mean get real Mez, the sats are only so damn big and to make them able to change directions on a moments whim would require them to have not only an engine, but a source of fuel as well. Granted they have solar panels but these are for the electricity for the WORKINGS of the sat, not some mythical engine. But hey...feel free to go right on making a fool of yourself claiming what I said was false and yet not bothering to check. Says more about your posts then anything I could ever say.

Dan you haven't answered any of the pointed questions or maybe I am just dense. Cut and paste the post that proves your point and bold the statement that validates your point. That would win me over for sure then I would congratulate you for proving your point and teaching me something. Remember, you said spy satellites could resolve dimples on a golf ball. That is physically impossible unless the lens was more than a quarter of a mile in diameter. I did post the formula for calculating the minimum lens size to resolve an image of a certain size listed in Wikipedia. The size would be 180 divided by the radius (600 miles converted to millimeters). That is derived from half the degrees of a circle divided by half the circumference of a circle with a radius of 600 miles. That is simple geometry learned in elementary school in most countries of the world. That came out to about 1/10 billionth of a degree. I would even go for reading a license plate. Just posting proof that spy satellites exist doesn't prove your point. No one argued that spy satellites exist. No one is arguing that the Aurora exists or that it is very fast and stealthy. That is logical progression from the Blackbird. Now if you claimed something as foolish as "resolving dimples on a golf ball from 600 miles in space" like the Aurora goes 10 times the speed of light I would call you on that as well but you didn't.

Mez, I have answered ALL the questions that were put to me with links AND with contacts and as I said before, you have refused to check. I even gave you the benefit of the doubt thinking that maybe you had something going on and could not check the Pentagon about the Sats and the Aurora even though I freely gave you the number to check so you would not have to look it up. And as of 9am this morning.. you still have not bothered to check and yet you sit there and accuse me of not telling the truth when you cannot be bothered to check the source I gave??!!

Sorry Mez, you could have settled this with a simple call, yet you choose not to and insist that I am not telling the truth based on YOUR say so instead of the experts. With that simple act alone you have just polluted anything more you have to say as you just will not let the facts get in the way of your view on things.

I stand fully behind my posts as they are valid and factual. Too bad you cannot say the same thing

if your not in the army anymore then why are you fussed about the clearance?

You can't use it it means nothing for those who have left the forces and you can't go onto a base and look at the books anyway once you have left.

I have friends in the forces as well and to look at any of the special stuff shall we say you get locked away in a safe for a set amount of time you say you want to be in there for.

So I don't know why your whinging about all this.

Then all the sat and US army having lasers and the wing suit have all been in popualr mechanics mag this year in fact the wing suit was last month or so, so I reckon your clearance lets you read that at most.

Then at the end of the day what does any of this usless info got to do with this movie studio sueing all these people to which the first 700 IPs have been leaked and lawyers all over the US are going to those people asking them if they want to fight it already.

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Sorry Mez, you could have settled this with a simple call, yet you choose not to and insist that I am not telling the truth based on YOUR say so instead of the experts. With that simple act alone you have just polluted anything more you have to say as you just will not let the facts get in the way of your view on things.

I stand fully behind my posts as they are valid and factual. Too bad you cannot say the same thing

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Fire Fox does not like that site. I think it had a security addon. I still could not find that page. Was it under journals?

Unanswered questions; why do we still have spy planes if we can see dimples on golf balls from satellites? Spy planes are a real bummer. I knew someone second hand that flew Blackbirds. I told my friend when he told me is brother flew Blackbirds 'it must be wonderful to fly the fastest plane on earth'. He told me round trip is over 12 hrs. The pilots have to do lots of weird stuff including diapers to function and to sit in a cockpit for that long. They use an insane amount of fuel, manned spy flights are a liability. The 'good satellite' pictures were always from small unmanned ultra-light gliders that were probably dropped by spy planes. They took pictures from only a few miles up. The wings were made from clear plastic like cellophane and I guess they self destructed or got picked up by spy planes. Very little has ever been released about these. These probably can get license plates.

I have done a little astronomy myself. Check the formula for Angular resolution. That tells you how big a lens has to be to resolve an angle. The angel of 1 mm arc at 200 miles radius is VERY small. The lens needed to resolve dimples of a golf ball at 200 miles is far bigger than a foot ball stadium if the glass was perfect and there was no atmosphere. I guess they put those into space with their warp drive flying saucers! The degrees of the arc is 180/2*10^10 you can plug that into your equation found @ Angular resolution formula
Use the formula for a single telescope since the cameras only have one lens. There example in the case of yellow light with a wavelength of 580 nm, for a resolution of 0.1 arc second, we need D = 1.2 m. Our average light is yellow. I doubt that spy satellite lenses are much more than a meter due to the weight. You are off by many,many 0s.

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I have been jerking no one around Mez so stop with the crock tears. I gave you links and you refused to check them claiming that it was a bad cookie. I have been with computers since the fastest connection was a 4.baud and all connections were long distance even if they were next door, and not once have I heard nor seen one person other then you blame not being able to connect to a site on a bad cookie. A bad link yes, a bad cookie...never happened. I gave you the name and phone number of the airman in the USAF Pentagon offices to talk to about the spy plane Aurora and the sat's stationary orbits...and again you have not bothered to contact him yet you claim I am not telling the truth. Real nice to be able to have that ability as to judge a person without checking their sources. I told you Atmospheric conditions are not a term used in telescopes as you and another claimed, the proper term is "Light Pollution" and that is even in the dictionary! Yet you and your sycophant said I was wrong on that as well And if this is such a bloody issue, then pray tell how do the Astronauts and the Sat's give back such crystal clear pics, you can see this by using google for crying out loud.

Here, if you are that ignorant...is a link that shows a sat showing you an up close and personal look at home plate on a baseball field from 200 miles up!

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iREy1...nK0s2gD931EIO80

Here is a link to a story where they can identify you from 200 miles up JUST BY YOUR SHADOW AND GAIT!! http://www.spacelove.org/ as well as clearly telling you that the KNOWN Military spy sats can go clear down to 10 CM! And you have no idea what the classified spy sats can do, but as I said with my Cosmic Top Secret security Clearance from the Military...I DO!!! And the simple Google Sat that you are using now for maps and streets was leased to them by the NSA and was high tech for the NSA, back in the 1970's!

My GOD Mez, even people in Shelbyville Tenn know more then you do! http://www.t-g.com/blogs/thomwilliamson/entry/15995/desc

Mez, You REALLY should stop while people think your ignorant then continue on and remove all doubt as you are getting thumped very badly on this issue.

Dan, you are in your own little pathetic world. Pathetic because you have to make up tall tails just to try to get some attention. You remind me of my boyhood neighbor. Once he claimed to have caught a whale because we had gone on a great fishing trip and caught lots of big fish. When he graduated college he couldn't hold a job despite his father being one of the most powerful corporate lawyers in the US. At one time he was on 5 different boards of trustees. Not small ones but huge corporations such as Amtrak and the PNC Bank. Finally, his dad had the PNC public relations hire him. His boss called him (Kenny) in and told that he (Kenny) had put him, the boss, in a very difficult position. Almost his entire staff had come to him to complain the Kenny was such an asshole the kid had to be fired. He did not want to get in trouble with his father. He begged Kenny not to be such an asshole for just one week so that is staff wouldn't keep insisting that you must be fired and he would keep him on. Kenny was fired the next week. You see Kenny was a power ass-hole. He couldn't help himself even for a week. He had delusions that what he was saying was smart instead of repulsively stupid. The neighbors all knew Kenny was a stupid and the most gullible person we knew. His ego was so pathetic, he had say stupid things all the time to make him feel smart. He like you was so stupid he didn't know what he was saying was stupid. Dan how come there is only you defending your self and more than me on your case. Yes, we must all be BOZOs. You are the only smart one.

Dan you are probably pretty much like Kenny. Stupid but with lots of imagination. A regular power-ass-hole. You can't argue with smart persons because you are too stupid. You make up things only a moron would believe. Then defend your arguments saying you explained everything but explained nothing and do not intend to because you can't. It is like arguing with a 4 yr old. I bet you even think you are smart, just like Kenny!

I must be almost as foolish as you to be still be replying to your nonsense. I will need to wise up! You are a huge waste of time!

Reading through the comments I literally forgot what my original article was about lol

Originally posted by DVDBack23:

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Reading through the comments I literally forgot what my original article was about lol

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Originally posted by DXR88:

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Originally posted by DVDBack23:

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Reading through the comments I literally forgot what my original article was about lol

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no kidding

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I stand by my last post. Too bad you cannot stand by any of yours.

its not about winning an argument.its about discussing your views and opinions on this topic.

xboxdvl2, sorry. when someone refuses to check sources and then calls them myths or lies; then it IS about winning the argument. when you refuse to check the sources and then have the audacity to claim they are not factual, that alone shows much about the person that said it and when you get sycophants chiming in, you MUST defend yourself to the point of winning the argument. case closed. As such I stand by my validated sources.

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Jemborg, I am not making a thing up and you should stop showing your ignorance. Contact the USAF and see if the Blackbird is being decommissioned or not and they will tell you it is. Contact the US Pentagon and ask them about the Aurora fighter plane and they will confirm that it does in fact exist and does exactly what I said it does. Then go back to the Sat command of the USAF or even NASA in florida and ask them if these spy sats are in a stationary orbit and they will confirm they are.

You know jemborg, it seems that every time you open your mouth your ignorance shows through. Maybe you need to stop flappin your gums and check the facts once in a while, but since you dont seem to know how, here is a site that will teach you how much you do NOT know http://www.spacetoday.org/Satellites/SatBytes/SatOrbits.html

I have hear of intentional ignorance jemborg, and now when I look it up I see a picture of you. Just goes to show that since you made up your answers and got them debunked, what else are you wrong on? Quite probably everything.

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Sats are set in a stationary orbit and cannot be moved.

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Satellite maneuvering (manoeuvering in "British" English!) is the use of (usually) on-board thrusters to move the satellite around in its orbit. These manoeuvres may be small-scale, such as to keep a geostationary satellite in its "fixed" point in the sky (usually called station-keeping) or may be large-scale, involving a major change in the orbital position, altitude, inclination, etc. (Like for a spy-sat idiot!)

From- http://en.allexperts.com/q/Satellite-Com...Maneuvering.htm

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And the simple Google Sat that you are using now for maps and streets was leased to them by the NSA and was high tech for the NSA, back in the 1970's!

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And if this is such a bloody issue, then pray tell how do the Astronauts and the Sat's give back such crystal clear pics, you can see this by using google for crying out loud.

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Jemborg, the only rude people here are the ones that still question me after I posted links-names-phone numbers and contacts that back up what I have said, and the self same people who are complaining about this are the same ones that refuse to check the sources.

As such I stand by what I said. No skin off my nose if you dont believe facts.

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Jemborg, the only rude people here are the ones that still question me after I posted links-names-phone numbers and contacts that back up what I have said, and the self same people who are complaining about this are the same ones that refuse to check the sources.

As such I stand by what I said. No skin off my nose if you dont believe facts.

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The ONLY one that is off their medication is you Jemborg. I have a newspaper here from Billings Montana (just got back from vacation) and the front page has a very nice story about a hacker that hacked two other wifi accounts and then sent child porn and threats to elected officials because the hacker did not like the two people and wanted to get them into trouble. How did the Montana Bureau of Investigation (Montana's version of the FBI) get info and capture this hacker? They STUDIED THE LOGS OF THE COMPUTER AND THE LOGS OF THE WIFI MODEM AND TRACED IT RIGHT BACK TO THE IDIOT. And oh yes, he had the "hide my ip" program installed as well as trying to spoof his IP but it did not work as they got his butt! But was it able to hide the individual and unique IP Ident that every computer has built right in and cannot be spoofed or copied? Seemingly not or this creep would have got away with this

Just another kick in the head to you and all the others that think that by spoofing or using some stupid program that they can hide from the experts that want them. But feel free to keep trying to pass on your ignorance and then attacking someone that destroys your little rose colored world. Just remember to let us all know where to send you the soap on a rope

Originally posted by Daniel_1:

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The ONLY one that is off their medication is you Jemborg. I have a newspaper here from Billings Montana (just got back from vacation) and the front page has a very nice story about a hacker that hacked two other wifi accounts and then sent child porn and threats to elected officials because the hacker did not like the two people and wanted to get them into trouble. How did the Montana Bureau of Investigation (Montana's version of the FBI) get info and capture this hacker? They STUDIED THE LOGS OF THE COMPUTER AND THE LOGS OF THE WIFI MODEM AND TRACED IT RIGHT BACK TO THE IDIOT. And oh yes, he had the "hide my ip" program installed as well as trying to spoof his IP but it did not work as they got his butt! But was it able to hide the individual and unique IP Ident that every computer has built right in and cannot be spoofed or copied? Seemingly not or this creep would have got away with this

Just another kick in the head to you and all the others that think that by spoofing or using some stupid program that they can hide from the experts that want them. But feel free to keep trying to pass on your ignorance and then attacking someone that destroys your little rose colored world. Just remember to let us all know where to send you the soap on a rope

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Here, if you are that ignorant...is a link that shows a sat showing you an up close and personal look at home plate on a baseball field from 200 miles up!

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iREy1...nK0s2gD931EIO80

Here is a link to a story where they can identify you from 200 miles up JUST BY YOUR SHADOW AND GAIT!! http://www.spacelove.org/ as well as clearly telling you that the KNOWN Military spy sats can go clear down to 10 CM! And you have no idea what the classified spy sats can do, but as I said with my Cosmic Top Secret security Clearance from the Military...I DO!!! And the simple Google Sat that you are using now for maps and streets was leased to them by the NSA and was high tech for the NSA, back in the 1970's!

My GOD Mez, even people in Shelbyville Tenn know more then you do! http://www.t-g.com/blogs/thomwilliamson/entry/15995/desc

Mez, You REALLY should stop while people think your ignorant then continue on and remove all doubt as you are getting thumped very badly on this issue.

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No the Aurora he's on about is this one Xtago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_%28aircraft%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Henric..._%28aircraft%29

Good old Area 51 stuff from the 80's and 90's.

Hey, Dan see you are back for more punishment. I would like to say your last post is nuts but I can't. You are mostly correct on this one. If you are using a hide your IP address and they want you bad enough, you are more vulnerable than if you didn't use any. If you don't use any you can always claim someone hacked yours which is easy enough to do as well as fairly common place. No one will believe some one hacked into your computer then used your credit card to hide your computer. The 'hide your IP site' naturally has the fake IP address you purchased as well as the real IP address otherwise how does it know where to forward the stuff. This was not any magic mumbo-jumbo where they used an unhide-able water mark magically burned into your computer.

I would quit this one while you are ahead.

After all is said and done, we will have to see how this court case pans out. It should be quite interesting. Definitely a test case. It might be more difficult than they realise. Wonder if the defendants will pool together for hotshot legal etc. and appeals if need be? It's the type of case a bigshot barrister (law firm) or even law professor would want on his résumé and might do cheap or pro-bono. And we shall see how they got the accused. They might be all from the one site, or type of site. Nothing mysterious or fantastic about it at all.

Mez, PUH-LEAZE, you got thumped so bad in this thread that you have resorted to using smoke and mirrors in your replies so please dont try and imply anything different as they can go back and read where I provided links and names and phone numbers to my sources...and you...well lets just say that according to the same sources, you and your sycophants never bothered to contact them yet insisted I was incorrect. Really amazing that you have the ability not to check but know it is wrong anyway isnt it? And as for you Jemborg, I stand by my statements.

Originally posted by Daniel_1:

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Mez, PUH-LEAZE, you got thumped so bad in this thread that you have resorted to using smoke and mirrors in your replies so please dont try and imply anything different as they can go back and read where I provided links and names and phone numbers to my sources...and you...well lets just say that according to the same sources, you and your sycophants never bothered to contact them yet insisted I was incorrect. Really amazing that you have the ability not to check but know it is wrong anyway isnt it? And as for you Jemborg, I stand by my statements.

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Originally posted by Daniel_1:

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Mez, PUH-LEAZE, you got thumped so bad in this thread that you have resorted to using smoke and mirrors in your replies so please dont try and imply anything different as they can go back and read where I provided links and names and phone numbers to my sources...and you...well lets just say that according to the same sources, you and your sycophants never bothered to contact them yet insisted I was incorrect. Really amazing that you have the ability not to check but know it is wrong anyway isnt it? And as for you Jemborg, I stand by my statements.

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ROTHF AT YOU..I stand by what I said. Too bad you cannot understand english

Dan can't you say anything more witty than that! I liked you better when you were creative. Such as satellites at 1000 miles out that take pictures that resolve the dimples on a golf ball. That WAS a good one! I guess you have had one or two too many whacks with the old baseball bat. Come back for more you dumb ground hog!

@ Dan i seriously dont know how you got to member just checked your posts and your last 500 or so have been in the news discussion ROFLOL.

@Mez dont worry your respected you help people in other sections and have been helping them for years.

as for the court case im sure it will be updated on here when it finally happens.

Why should I be witty and creative to a person that refuses to check the sources and then states they are not true? On the other hand, I do find your creative attempts to reply somewhat amusing, especially when you try so hard to say that the sources you never bothered to check just didn't exist because you said so. It must be so magical to exist in your world where everything goes as you say just because you say.

I have been sort of an amused spectator in all this. I will also say that all of the links Dan has posted that I have went to were either non existent or not really related to the discussion. However, what I am interested in most is what, exactly, does ROTHF stand for? I haven't heard that one before. I'll admit that I'm an old geezer and not really up on all of the acronyms used nowadays. I guess I could just be dumb, I suppose. Could some enlighten me please?

xboxdvl2 and forkndave thanks for your support. Believe it or not I am not even the least bit ruffled by Dan. Why should I be? It is like arguing with a 7 yr old. I believe I am performing a public service. I am actually trying to educate him as to not post idiotic posts on AD or any other forum. Or at least not to defend them forever with foolishness. I actually believe he did get the message, he hasn't posted anything on a newer thread the last time I checked. This is not the first thread where he has posted moronic statements. However, this is the first time he has made a stand defending them to the bitter end. Dan has proven to be a bigger glutton for punishment than I could have imagined. Most persons back off from insults especially when they are not coming up with good ones themselves. I do not consider ROTHF a good comeback.

ROTHF is groundhog for "That didn't hurt a bit!".

I will keep whacking Dan with insults till he stops replying. Maybe Dan will keep us entertained all year.

Then both you and Jemborg are as dumb as the day is long. Here is yet even more proof that I am right in my statements and both of you are ignorant in yours. The only difference in my statements is that instead of Montana where the hacking incident happened, it was Blaine Minn. Read and weep as even you two are semi smart enough to know that without logs, there is no case, and not surprisingly...they not only got the man but are going to convict him as well! Sorta blows your whole argument that this cannot be done out of the water and showing your ignorance in this, one asks themselves exactly what else you are wrong about in your statements....

http://www.aberdeennews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...875/0/FRONTPAGE
Blaine man charged with e-mailing child porn, threatening Joe Biden
MCT REGIONAL NEWS
By Rhoda Fukushima
Pioneer Press, St. Paul, Minn.
Published on Saturday, June 26, 2010
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A Blaine man is accused of hacking into his neighbor’s computer and posing as that neighbor to send child pornography as well as a terroristic threat to Vice President Joseph Biden.
In an indictment Thursday, Barry Vincent Ardolf, 45, faces one count each of unauthorized access to a protected computer; possession of child pornography; transmission of child pornography; and threats to the president and successors to the presidency; and two counts of aggravated identity theft.
The indictment offers this account:
In February 2009, Ardolf hacked into his neighbor’s wireless Internet connection and accessed Yahoo e-mail and MySpace accounts he had created in that person’s name. Posing as the neighbor, Ardolf used those accounts to send messages and sexually explicit photos of children to the neighbor’s co-workers. He also posted pictures of child pornography on the MySpace page.
In March 2009, Ardolf created a Gmail account -- in the name of an actual Wayzata resident -- and sent an e-mail to the neighbor’s boss. That e-mail accused the neighbor of making unwanted sexual advances.
In May 2009, Ardolf used another Yahoo account to send an e-mail in the name of the neighbor and his wife. The e-mail, sent to the vice president of the United States, the governor and a senator from Minnesota, read in part:
"This is a terrorist threat! Take this seriously. I hate the way you people are spending money you don’t have. ... I’m assigning myself to be
judge, jury and executioner. ... I’ll kill you all one at a time. ... The first one of you will be dead by June 1."
Earlier this month, Ardolf was charged with aggravated identity theft and with threatening the vice president and other elected officials. Prosecutors alleged Ardolf hacked into the neighbor couple’s computer and sent threats, child pornography and other messages after they reported him to police for inappropriately touching one of their children.
Ardolf was planning to accept a plea offer in the case but rejected it at the last minute because it contained a recommendation that he be sentenced to at least two years in prison.
If convicted, Ardolf faces 20 years on the charge of transmitting child pornography, 10 years on the charge of possessing child pornography, five years each on the charges of unauthorized computer access and threatening the vice president. He also faces a mandatory two-year sentence on each count of aggravated identity theft.
David Hanners contributed to this report.

or you can just go here and read the 26,000+ links on the subject..
http://www.google.com/search?q=man+convi...lient=firefox-a

now crawl back under your rock until you evolve some intelligence

Your as crazy as Ardolf haha.

I followed the link and there is no mention of the methodology employed Dan. It could be argued that anyone could successfully claim their wireless bandwidth was being stolen from that. It would have been much more useful if the article went into that exact detail as others are trying to do here. Seriously, I can see a dozen ways they would have clued on to that guy and they don't use fancy tech either. I.e. simple deduction, "Hey, my pervert paranoid neighbour is insane and hates me, ask anybody!". (I wonder what your neighbours say about you.) Plus he could have been plain stupid and didn't cover his tracks expertly. It hardly "proves" your point at all. Much less your other uninformed over-the-top arrogances.


Even though the definition of risible has your picture under it I honestly am starting to feel real pity for you. I feel I've been laughing at someone with a real disability. Like mocking a poor cripple.

Whats wrong Jemborg and Mez? cant take it when the truth slaps you in the face? You were wong and I was correct all along. Just admit it and save what's left of your ruined rep...or continue and destroy your rep altogether

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Whats wrong Jemborg and Mez? cant take it when the truth slaps you in the face? You were wong and I was correct all along. Just admit it and save what's left of your ruined rep...or continue and destroy your rep altogether

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Does anyone really care? (I am speaking about reputations here. This is not in response to the last post which was not there when I was typing it in.)

Not really forkndave, if these two wish to continue to make fools of themselves, so be it.

they should change the thread title to Hurt Thread: plans to cause mass Belly Aching let dead news die, please.

Well good one Dan! I appreciate the effort and you are improving yourself. This was still not magic. The Hacker did enough to get homeland security after him. They have the rights to hack computers under national security. He sure did that. They hacked into the host and did not find the trace going back to the email site. Then they waited or installed a trap in the host's computer. When the hacker came on board, they went into his computer got his OS ID and with a little police work discovered that the hacker was a neighbor of the host. The next day they took the guy's computer and took him down for questioning. With in minutes they confirmed the computer that sent the threats was in fact the suspect's.

No magic but good police work. They normally can't hack into your computer like that unless you do threaten national security. However, if your computer has a bot net that may be the case without your knowledge.

Smart hackers use a computer that has an OS not traceable to themselves. They also monitor the host computer for invasion. They close up shop if the host gets hacked and the invader looks where police look, like internet logs. They are gone by the time the logs are reviewed.

I stand by my statements, if the truth hurts these two, then too darn bad

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I stand by my statements, if the truth hurts these two, then too darn bad

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Sarcasm is something that you do not do well jemborg. Just admit that you were wrong and proven such. Why do you need to go all drama queen on the thread?

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Sarcasm is something that you do not do well jemborg. Just admit that you were wrong and proven such. Why do you need to go all drama queen on the thread?

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I stand by what I said Jemborg, if the truth hurts or upsets you. Tough too bad. You should leave that rose garden of yours more often

Dan both DXR88 and forkndave thought your truths were nonsense. You are the only one that sees any sense as to what you are saying. I get the feelinging I am arguing with a 7 yr old and he keeps saying "I know you are but what am I". You are just spewing mindless garbage and expect the world to swallow.

You win, you are too stupid to argue with.

Mez, my sources are valid and set in stone. If you cannot handle the truth then maybe you should not ask the questions?

And you are right, you ARE just too stupid to argue with

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And you are right, you ARE just too stupid to argue with

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Dan both DXR88 and forkndave thought your truths were nonsense. You are the only one that sees any sense as to what you are saying. I get the feelinging I am arguing with a 7 yr old and he keeps saying "I know you are but what am I". You are just spewing mindless garbage and expect the world to swallow.

You win, you are too stupid to argue with.

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Originally posted by DXR88:

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Originally posted by Mez:

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Dan both DXR88 and forkndave thought your truths were nonsense. You are the only one that sees any sense as to what you are saying. I get the feelinging I am arguing with a 7 yr old and he keeps saying "I know you are but what am I". You are just spewing mindless garbage and expect the world to swallow.

You win, you are too stupid to argue with.

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your learning Mez.

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DXR88, PUH-LEAZE. He refuses to check the sources I give him and then denies the sources exist and you are supporting him? That in and of itself says quite a lot about you as well. I mean really, if you dont check the sources then how can you say they dont exist as he did?

But hey, far be it of me to break up your little circlejerk. And get your mind out of the gutter, this means a pompous, self-congratulatory discussion where little to no progress is made as you are in when you support people like him

I don't care anymore.

Then stop replying

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I don't care anymore.

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Too bad you are not that intelligent Jemborg. You just cannot beat someone with truth on his side.

"I know you are but what am I?"

lol

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Mez, PUH-LEAZE, you got thumped so bad in this thread that you have resorted to using smoke and mirrors in your replies so please dont try and imply anything different as they can go back and read where I provided links and names and phone numbers to my sources...and you...well lets just say that according to the same sources, you and your sycophants never bothered to contact them yet insisted I was incorrect. Really amazing that you have the ability not to check but know it is wrong anyway isnt it? And as for you Jemborg, I stand by my statements.

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Good link xtago...starred.

Btw Danny boy, just to highlight how crap you are on links here's one on Archer Fish vision:

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/2948474.htm

It's cut from a TV show so you shouldn't have toooo much trouble following it.

Jemborg...PUH-LEAZE, I gave you the name and the phone number to the US Air Force Source as well as the name of the maker of the sat and the specs of what it can be proven to do...and the best you can come up with is some fantasy TV Show?? How pathetic you are becoming.

And xtago? no disrespect but when you have the US Air Force (who use it) and the sat maker (who developed it and brought it to existence) say that this can do exactly what I said it can, then nothing you can show is going to prove otherwise

So xtago, let me see if I understand you. You say what I am saying just isnt true huh? Then I guess that you are denying these as well even though these were made in conjunction with the USAF/US Military/NASA and were classified by same until such time as they were found to have non-military?space uses. And do you actually think for one second that the US Government as well as the Military do not have these and have them three to five generations ahead of what you see printed here..in short far better then what you can know about or even see or purchase? If you say no, then you need far more help then can be given.



Computer Technology - NASA Spinoffs

GROUND PROCESSING SCHEDULING SYSTEM - Computer-based scheduling system that uses artificial intelligence to manage thousands of overlapping activities involved in launch preparations of NASA's Space Shuttles. The NASA technology was licensed to a new company which developed commercial applications that provide real-time planning and optimization of manufacturing operations, integrated supply chains, and customer orders.uu

SEMICONDUCTOR CUBING - NASA initiative led to the Memory Short Stack, a three-dimensional semiconductor package in which dozens of integrated circuits are stacked one atop another to form a cube, offering faster computer processing speeds, higher levels of integration, lower power requirements than conventional chip sets, and dramatic reduction in the size and weight of memory-intensive systems, such as medical imaging devices.

STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS - This NASA program, originally created for spacecraft design, has been employed in a broad array of non-aerospace applications, such as the automobile industry, manufacture of machine tools, and hardware designs.

WINDOWS VISUAL NEWS READER (Win Vn) - Software program developed to support payload technical documentation at Kennedy Space Center, allowing the exchange of technical information among a large group of users. WinVn is an enabling technology product that provides countless people with Internet access otherwise beyond their grasp, and it was optimized for organizations that have direct Internet access.

AIR QUALITY MONITOR - Utilizing a NASA-developed, advanced analytical technique software package, an air quality monitor system was created, capable of separating the various gases in bulk smokestack exhaust streams and determining the amount of individual gases present within the stream for compliance with smokestack emission standards.

VIRTUAL REALITY - NASA-developed research allows a user, with assistance from advanced technology devices, to figuratively project oneself into a computer-generated environment, matching the user's head motion, and, when coupled with a stereo viewing device and appropriate software, creates a telepresence experience.

Other spinoffs in this area include: Advanced keyboards, Customer Service Software, Database Management System, Laser Surveying, Aircraft controls, Lightweight Compact Disc, Expert System Software, Microcomputers, and Design Graphics.



Consumer/Home/Recreation - NASA Spinoffs

ENRICHED BABY FOOD - A microalgae-based, vegetable-like oil called Formulaid developed from NASA-sponsored research on long duration space travel, contains two essential fatty acids found in human milk but not in most baby formulas, believed to be important for infants' mental and visual development.

WATER PURIFICATION SYSTEM - NASA-developed municipal-size water treatment system for developing nations, called the Regenerable Biocide Delivery Unit, uses iodine rather than chlorine to kill bacteria.

SCRATCH-RESISTANT LENSES - A modified version of a dual ion beam bonding process developed by NASA involves coating the lenses with a film of diamond-like carbon that not only provides scratch resistance, but also decreases surface friction, reducing water spots.

POOL PURIFICATION - Space technology designed to sterilize water on long-duration spacecraft applied to swimming pool purification led to a system that uses two silver-copper alloy electrodes that generate silver and copper ions when an electric current passes through them to kill bacteria and algae without chemicals.

RIBBED SWIMSUIT - NASA-developed riblets applied to competition swimsuits resulted in flume testing of 10 to 15 percent faster speeds than any other world class swim-suit due to the small, barely visible grooves that reduce friction and aerodynamic drag by modifying the turbulent airflow next to the skin.

GOLF BALL AERODYNAMICS - A recently designed golf ball, which has 500 dimples arranged in a pattern of 60 spherical triangles, employs NASA aerodynamics technology to create a more symmetrical ball surface, sustaining initial velocity longer and producing a more stable ball flight for better accuracy and distance.

PORTABLE COOLERS/WARMERS - Based on a NASA-inspired space cooling system employing thermoelectric technology, the portable cooler/warmer plugs into the cigarette lighters of autos, recreational vehicles, boats, or motel outlets. Utilizes one or two miniaturized modules delivering the cooling power of a 10-pound block of ice and the heating power of up to 125 degrees Fahrenheit.

SPORTS TRAINING - Space-developed cardio-muscular conditioner helps athletes increase muscular strength and cardiovascular fitness through kinetic exercise.

ATHLETIC SHOES - Moon Boot material encapsulated in running shoe midsoles improve shock absorption and provides superior stability and motion control.

Other spinoffs in this area include: Dustbuster, shock-absorbing helmets, home security systems, smoke detectors, flat panel televisions, high-density batteries, trash compactors, food packaging and freeze-dried technology, cool sportswear, sports bras, hair styling appliances, fogless ski goggles, self-adjusting sunglasses, composite golf clubs, hang gliders, art preservation, and quartz crystal timing equipment.



Environmental and Resource Management - NASA Spinoffs

MICROSPHERES - The first commercial products manufactured in orbit are tiny microspheres whose precise dimensions permit their use as reference standards for extremely accurate calibration of instruments in research and industrial laboratories. They are sold for applications in environmental control, medical research, and manufacturing.

SOLAR ENERGY - NASA-pioneered photovoltaic power system for spacecraft applications was applied to programs to expand terrestrial applications as a viable alternative energy source in areas where no conventional power source exists.

WEATHER FORECASTING AID - Space Shuttle environmental control technology led to the development of the Barorator which continuously measures the atmospheric pressure and calculates the instantaneous rate of change.

FOREST MANAGEMENT - A NASA-initiated satellite scanning system monitors and maps forestation by detecting radiation reflected and emitted from trees.

SENSORS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL - NASA development of an instrument for use in space life support research led to commercial development of a system to monitor an industrial process stream to assure that the effluent water's pH level is in compliance with environmental regulations.

WIND MONITOR - Development of Jimsphere wind measurement balloon for space launches allows for making high resolution measurements of the wind profile for meteorological studies and predictions.

TELEMETRY SYSTEMS - A spinoff company formed to commercialize NASA high-data-rate telemetry technology, manufactures a high-speed processing system for commercial communications applications.

PLANT RESEARCH - NASA research on future moon and Mars bases is investigating using plants for food, oxygen, and water to reduce the need for outside supplies. This research utilizes Hydroponics (liquid nutrient solutions) instead of soil to support plant growth and finds applications for vegetable production on Earth.

FIRE RESISTANT MATERIAL - Materials include chemically-treated fabric for sheets, uniforms for hazardous material handlers, crew's clothing, furniture, interior walls of submersibles and auto racer and refueler suits.

RADIATION INSULATION - Aluminized polymer film is highly effective radiation barrier for both manned and unmanned spacecraft. Variations of this space-devised material are also used as an energy conservation technique for homes and offices. The materials are placed between wall studs and exterior facing before siding or between roof support and roof sheathing. The radiant barrier blocks 95% of radiant energy. Successful retrofit installations include schools and shrink wrap ovens.

Other spinoffs in this area include: Whale identification method, environmental analysis, noise abatement, pollution measuring devices, pollution control devices, smokestack monitor, radioactive leak detector, earthquake prediction system, sewage treatment, energy saving air conditioning, and air purification.



Health and Medicine - NASA Spinoffs

DIGITAL IMAGING BREAST BIOPSY SYSTEM - The LORAD Stereo Guide Breast Biopsy system incorporates advanced Charge Coupled Devices (CCDs) as part of a digital camera system. The resulting device images breast tissue more clearly and efficiently. Known as stereotactic large-core needle biopsy, this nonsurgical system developed with Space Telescope Technology is less traumatic and greatly reduces the pain, scarring, radiation exposure, time, and money associated with surgical biopsies.

BREAST CANCER DETECTION - A solar cell sensor is positioned directly beneath x-ray film, and determines exactly when film has received sufficient radiation and has been exposed to optimum density. Associated electronic equipment then sends a signal to cut off the x-ray source. Reduction of mammography x-ray exposure reduces radiation hazard and doubles the number of patient exams per machine.

LASER ANGIOPLASTY - Laser angioplasty with a "cool" type of laser, caller an excimer laser, does not damage blood vessel walls and offers precise non-surgical cleanings of clogged arteries with extraordinary precision and fewer complications than in balloon angioplasty.

ULTRASOUND SKIN DAMAGE ASSESSMENT - Advanced instrument using NASA ultrasound technology enables immediate assessment of burn damage depth, improving patient treatment, and may save lives in serious burn cases.

HUMAN TISSUE STIMULATOR - Employing NASA satellite technology, the device is implanted in the body to help patient control chronic pain and involuntary motion disorders through electrical stimulation of targeted nerve centers or particular areas of the brain.

COOL SUIT - Custom-made suit derived from space suits circulates coolant through tubes to lower patient's body/ temperature, producing dramatic improvement of symptoms of multiple sclerosis, cerebral palsy, spina bifida and other conditions.

PROGRAMMABLE PACEMAKER - Incorporating multiple NASA technologies, the system consists of the implant and a physician's computer console containing the programming and a data printer. Communicates through wireless telemetry signals.

OCULAR SCREENING - NASA image processing techniques are used to detect eye problems in very young children. An electronic flash from a 35-millimeter camera sends light into the child's eyes, and a photorefractor analyzes the retinal reflexes, producing an image of each eye.

AUTOMATED URINALYSIS - NASA fluid dynamics studies helped development of system that automatically extracts and transfers sediment from urine sample to an analyzer microscope, replacing the manual centrifuge method.

MEDICAL GAS ANALYZER - Astronaut-monitoring technology used to develop system to monitor operating rooms for analysis of anesthetic gasses and measurement of oxygen, carbon dioxide, and nitrogen concentrations to assure proper breathing environment for surgery patients.

VOICE-CONTROLLED WHEELCHAIR - NASA teleoperator and robot technology used to develop chair and manipulator that respond to 35 one-word voice commands utilizing a minicomputer to help patient perform daily tasks, like picking up packages, opening doors, and turning on appliances.

Other spinoffs in this area include: Arteriosclerosis detection, ultrasound scanners, automatic insulin pump, portable x-ray device, invisible braces, dental arch wire, palate surgery technology, clean room apparel, implantable heart aid, MRI, bone analyzer, and cataract surgery tools.



Industrial Productivity/Manufacturing Technology - NASA Spinoffs

MAGNETIC LIQUIDS - Based on the NASA-developed ferrofluid concept involving synthetic fluids that can be positioned and controlled by magnetic force, the ferrofluidic seal was initially applied in a zero-leakage, nonwearing seal for the rotating shaft of a system used to make semiconductor chips, solving a persistent problem‹contamination due to leaking seals.

WELDING SENSOR SYSTEM - Laser-based automated welder for industrial use incorporates a laser sensor system originally designed for Space Shuttle External Tank to track the seam where two pieces of metal are to be joined, measures gaps and minute misfits, and automatically corrects the welding torch distance and height.

MICROLASERS - Based on a concept for optical communications over interplanetary distances, microlasers were developed for the commercial market to transmit communication signals and to drill, cut, or melt materials.

MAGNETIC BEARING SYSTEM - Bearings developed from Space Shuttle designs support moving machinery without physical contact, permitting motion without friction or wear, and are now used in electric power generation, petroleum refining, machine tool operation, and natural gas pipelines.

ENGINE LUBRICANT - A NASA-developed plasma-sprayed coating is used to coat valves in a new, ten-inch-long, four-cylinder rotary engine, eliminating the need for lubricating the rotorcam, which has no crankshaft, flywheel, distributor, or water pump.

INTERACTIVE COMPUTER TRAINING - Known as Interactive Multimedia Training (IMT), originally developed to train astronauts and space operations personnel, now utilized by the commercial sector to train new employees and upgrade worker skills, using a computer system that engages all the senses, including text, video, animation, voice, sounds, and music.

HIGH-PRESSURE WATERSTRIPPING - Technology developed for preparing Space Shuttle solid rocket boosters first evolved into the U.S. Air Force's Large Aircraft Robotic Paint Stripping (LARPS) system, and now used in the commercial airline industry, where the waterjet processing reduces coating removal time by 90 percent, using only water at ultra-high pressures up to 55,000 psi.

ADVANCED WELDING TORCH - Based on the Variable Polarity Plasma Arc welding technology, a handheld torch originally developed for joining light alloys used in NASA's External Tank, is now used by major appliance manufacturers for sheet metal welding.

Other spinoffs in this area include: Gasoline vapor recovery, self-locking fasteners, machine tool software, laser wire stripper, lubricant coating process, wireless communications, engine coatings, and engine design.



Public Safety - NASA Spinoffs

RADIATION HAZARD DETECTOR - NASA technology has made commercially available new, inexpensive, conveniently carried device for protection of people exposed to potentially dangerous levels of microwave radiation. Weighing only 4 ounces and about the size of a cigarette pack, it can be carried in a shirt pocket or clipped to a belt. Unit sounds an audible alarm when microwave radiation reaches a preset level.

EMERGENCY RESPONSE ROBOT - Remotely-operated robot reduces human injury levels by performing hazardous tasks that would otherwise be handled by humans.

PERSONAL ALARM SYSTEM - Pen-sized ultrasonic transmitter used by prison guards, teachers, the elderly, and disabled to call for help is based on space telemetry technology. Pen transmits a silent signal to receiver that will display the exact location of the emergency.

EMERGENCY RESCUE CUTTERS - Lightweight cutters for freeing accident victims from wreckage developed using NASA pyrotechnic technology.

FIREMAN'S AIR TANKS - Lighter-weight firefighter's air tanks have been developed. New back-pack system weighs only 20 lbs. for 30 minute air supply, 13 lbs. less than conventional firefighting tanks. They are pressurized at 4,500 psia (twice current tanks). A warning device tells the fireman when he or she is running out of air.

PERSONAL STORM WARNING SYSTEM - Lightning detector gives 30-minute warning to golfers, boaters, homeowners, business owners, and private pilots.

SELF-RIGHTING LIFE RAFT - Developed for the Apollo program, fully inflates in 12 seconds and protects lives during extremely adverse weather conditions with self-righting and gravity compensation features.

Other spinoffs in this area include: Storm warning services (Doppler radar), firefighters' radios, lead poison detection, fire detector, flame detector, corrosion protection coating, protective clothing, and robotic hands.



Transportation - NASA Spinoffs

STUDLESS WINTER TIRES - Viking Lander parachute shroud material is adapted and used to manufacture radial tires, increasing the tire material's chainlike molecular structure to five times the strength of steel should increase tread life by 10,000 miles.

BETTER BRAKES - New, high-temperature composite space materials provide for better brake linings. Applications includes trucks, industrial equipment and passenger cars.

TOLLBOOTH PURIFICATION - A laminar airflow technique used in NASA clean rooms for contamination-free assembly of space equipment is used at tollbooths on bridges and turnpikes to decrease the toll collector's inhalation of exhaust fumes.

WEIGHT SAVING TECHNOLOGY - NASA research on composite materials is used to achieve a 30-percent weight reduction in a twin-turbine helicopter, resulting in a substantial increase in aircraft performance.

IMPROVED AIRCRAFT ENGINE - Multiple NASA developed technological advancements resulted in a cleaner, quieter, more economical commercial aircraft engine known as the high bypass turbofan, featuring a 10-percent reduction in fuel consumption, lower noise levels, and emission reductions of oxides of nitrogen, carbon monoxide, and unburned hydrocarbons.

ADVANCED LUBRICANTS - An environmental-friendly lubricant designed to support the Space Shuttle Mobile Launcher Platform led to the development of three commercial lubricants for railroad track maintenance, for electric power company corrosion prevention, and as a hydraulic fluid with an oxidation life of 10,000 hours.

ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM - The Flywheel Energy Storage system, derived from two NASA-sponsored energy storage studies, is a chemical-free, mechanical battery that harnesses the energy of a rapidly spinning wheel and stores it as electricity with 50 times the capacity of a lead-acid battery, very useful for electric vehicles.

NEW WING DESIGN FOR CORPORATE JETS - NASA-developed computer programs resulted in an advanced, lighter, more aerodynamically-efficient new wing for Gulfstream business aircraft.

AIDS TO SCHOOL BUS DESIGN - Manufacturer uses three separate NASA-developed technologies originally developed for aviation and space use in their design and testing of a new school bus chassis. These technologies are a structural analysis computer program infrared stress measurement system, and a ride quality meter system.

Other spinoffs in this area include: Safer bridges, emission testing, airline wheelchairs, electric car, auto design, methane-powered vehicles, windshear prediction, and aircraft design analysis.

http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html

Take this example. I take a photograph of a Animal a few hundred meters away with a 200mm lens. But I need to crop the image to get close enough to see the animal "close up" or I take the same animal using a 800mm or longer lens and what do think happens. Yep. I no longer need to crop the image to get in close. Effectively gaining resolution. In terms of whats actually possible a super telephoto lens of some 20000mm (yes that's 20 thousand ) or more is quite achievable and small enough to fit on a spy sat considering that you now can buy a 10.2 mp digital camera that has a built in 70X zoom lens for less then $50. that runs on batteries! Or you can buy a 1000x zoom lens for a digital camera. You now can buy a 1700mm telephoto lens for your digital hand held camera (http://www.gizmag.com/go/6147/) and you are trying to tell me and every else here that when you are looking at this for a civilian camera, as well as the British Press telling you about a lens that can see Big Ben from 50KM away, that a top secret spy sat from space cannot see you or your license plate or the dimples on a golf ball...are you seriously saying that?? you add a high pixel sensor to the mix lets say a 500 million pixel (150 million pixel sensors are already available to the public at "affordable" prices. But you can bet the US government will not settle fore some sensor that joe public can buy all be it a £25k+ price. Therefor it is possible to read a number plate from a spy satellite or the dimples on a golf ball. If that upsets you then so sad too bad, deal with it as this is a fact of life. Oh yea one more thing. Last week there was a BBC news report that the British army took delivery of a new super zoom camera for use in Afghanistan. It has the resolution to seen and read London's BIG BEN at over 50km away. So if that's the technology we know of then reading number plates from space is very much a reality. Its not that far up into space when you think about it. A spy satellite sitting 200 miles in orbit with a camera 4-5 as powerful zoom as the one the army use and it will read the number plates of a car or the dimples on a golf ball with ease. just look at how powerful the compact digital cameras are today and some hit as high as 15 to 20mp for use by a civilian. And you know damn well that the US and British Governments have that beat by a long shot.

Therefor xtago, to deny what these top of the line sat's can do is just not very smart.

Dan you are a benighted fool.

Whatever idjut, atmospheric interference will screw with your naive magical expectations every time. You've demonstrated time and time again your ignorance of basic science.

Btw, knucklehead, if a mod catches you posting a wall of irrelevant cutpasta text you might be in grief.

Originally posted by Daniel_1:

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And xtago? no disrespect but when you have the US Air Force (who use it) and the sat maker (who developed it and brought it to existence) say that this can do exactly what I said it can, then nothing you can show is going to prove otherwise

So xtago, let me see if I understand you. You say what I am saying just isnt true huh? Then I guess that you are denying these as well even though these were made in conjunction with the USAF/US Military/NASA and were classified by same until such time as they were found to have non-military?space uses. And do you actually think for one second that the US Government as well as the Military do not have these and have them three to five generations ahead of what you see printed here..in short far better then what you can know about or even see or purchase? If you say no, then you need far more help then can be given.

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Since Obama has changed NASA's top priority from space exploration to Islam for reasons I completely don't understand I guess the space race may be over as far as the US is concerned. See here: http://yesbuthowever.com/nasa-chief-819050/ I don't see where this thread can possible go from here. Someone should probably kill it. Things are just being rehashed.

Thank you for an entertaining series of comments, I have been in the habit of reading the articles and skipping the comments without realising the struggles going on in the depths beneath. Never again! I will always check the comments in future in the hope of similar entertainment. Never in my life have I seen so many irrelevant "proofs" of a position.
As for the movie I almost abandoned it after the first 15 minutes but struggled on to the end and it did improve somewhat. I couldn't recommend it to anyone and this is why it didn't take off in the box office, put simply too few word of mouth recommendations.
Personally I would have shot the hero myself as a danger not only to himself but to everyone around him.

I stand by my statements and so do my sources. As thomas jefferson said "When the facts prove my beliefs are wrong, I change my mind accordingly. What exactly do YOU do sir?" The facts have proven you wrong, you know the next step...

Oh and BTW, not one of any of the "sources" that have tried to be used to disprove mine, have ever come from the US Pentagon or the USAF, the same people who use these spy sats. Not to mention that most of your self same sources denied the existence of the SR-71 blackbird stealth bomber and fighter...right up to the time that it rolled in front of the camera and then they had to eat a massive helping of crow. And if I was to tell you that in the near future that human parts for transplant would be able to be made from your own cells in a modified computer printer, you would also try and say that I am not telling the truth. Guess you had better check the Discovery Channel's program 2057 where they not only tell you this, but show you which University s leading the way in doing exactly that!

My whole point is just because YOU say it does not exist or cant happen does not mean that it does not actually exist. Remember, science says the bumble bee cannot fly, but no one told the bee that.

Daniel_1, the sr-71 was never a stealth bomber nor a fighter. it was the cancelled yf-12a that was being developed as a interceptor. know your facts before shooting your mouth off next time. now then lets stay on topic!!!

Originally posted by kenbec:

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...Never in my life have I seen so many irrelevant "proofs" of a position.

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Originally posted by kenbec:

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...Never in my life have I seen so many irrelevant "proofs" of a position.

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"Proofs"... without a skerrick of critical rigour to put it kindly. Defended to the last gasp of ranting ego-maniacal delusion.

LOL

Dan, that stuff about the printer and human cells... did you only just hear about that? That's years old apart from irrelevant... Well, I guess that really is the proof that we at AD are all circle-jerking pirates who will inevitably get our comeuppance at the hands the FBI and Interpol etc. using ultra area 51 tech. Yep, they came and got me yesterday in their Pentagon/NASA issued TURDIS only the time stream hasn't caught up with me yet so I don't know it!

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DXR88 and Jemborg...PUH-LEAZE. All this was to show you exactly how little you actually know and how much you claim does not exist yet in fact it clearly does. If you only knew half..even 1/10th of what my cosmic security clearance allows me to know you would blow a blood vessel. Sonic guns...oh wait, you can read about them in use for crowd control. Laser weapons in a hand held for use on the battle field. A star trek transporter in development http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scienc...ser-451673.html or star trek deflector shields in development for our space craft http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fi...sp?NewsNum=1012 or even ion propulsion engines that can come close to the speed of light already being tested http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/ion/ and the links I provided show a small amount of stuff that people like you are ALLOWED to know about at the present time. And yet you two ignorants still refuse to believe there are things that you dont know about as you dont have the clearance to know about them. In short you two are living proof of the saying that you cannot see the forest for the trees. And since ignorance is bliss, you two must be the most blissful people on the planet.

Daniel_1, SHUTUP!!!

Its already a known fact all US army Commandos are required to have there light saber on there person at all times.

A lot of this stuff is old news though and most are simply ideas and don't have anything in production.

The Beam Transporters has been in the news papers since 2000, tested with fruits etc but can only send stuff a few meters though I last heard a couple of years ago they have been trying to beam rats.

That's been in development since 1995 even the US collage doesn't expect anything to be put into production for another 10 to 20 years.

star trek deflector shields as the page says is just an idea nothing more, though the space suites already do all the shielding anyway, you seem to think this stuff hasn't been thought of or had solutions already applied and working, thus making the need for reflector shields redundant anyway.

Even if NASA do send anyone to Mars those people won't be able to go onto the surface of the planet as your bones and joints spread out and those people would run the risk of falling over and having their limbs snap at every joint.

That's simply because no gravity can be produced easily.

The same problem for ion engines they don't use them as they can't provide enough fuel to power the ion engine for the length of time you need to get to the moon.

All your stuff is NASA but you also have the Russians which have nuke powered engines, in fact the Russians could make a space craft that could goto Mars or further right now but you have the gravity problem once again.

New stuff is getting made all over the world, no is discounting that, it's just that you think no one but you knows about this stuff and it seems you can't hack it when other people say "yeah I know old news isn't it"

Laugh all you want DXR88 but yet again here is proof that you are not as smart as you try and make yourself out to be, and are in fact quite clueless


Real-Life Laser Rifle: Army Goal

* By David Hambling Email Author
* April 27, 2007 |
* 11:55 am |
* Categories: Weapons and Ammo
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The Army is looking at its Plasma Acoustic Shield System as a checkpoint defender, for now. But the original idea — and the long-term goal of the project — is to have it be the first baby step towards a portable, lethal laser weapon.

Pelt2The effort, by the U.S. Army’s Advanced Energy Armaments Systems Division and Stellar Photonics, has a lot in common with another military laser project: the Pulsed Energy Projectile being developed by Mission Systems for the Marines. But there are three key differences. The current PEP is a big (450 lb) chemical laser with a limited number of shots, whereas PASS is a small solid-state laser that just needs electricity. The PEP creates plasma by vaporising the outer layer surface it hits (such as your shirt), whereas PASS can create plasma in mid-air by focusing to a point. And PEP fires a single pulse, whereas PASS uses a double pulse which Stellar claim is far more efficient at creating a shockwave.

You can get some idea from the Small Business Initiative Proposal the company submitted in ‘04 for a "Man-portable Integrated Laser Assault Rifle":

These systems would be portable and lightweight; the battery operated solid state laser system would be comparable in size to the Armbrust and Dragon anti-tank systems, …. The man-portable… weapons system is expected to be lethal in the range of 1-5 miles, due to the fact that no sharp focusing of the laser beam is required. Therefore, it is capable of engaging both short and long ranged targets of any kind, greatly increasing the engagement area of current assault rifles.

NOTE: The same system can also be used in non-lethal area denial to personnel applications. A pulse laser force field (shock wave) can be initiated instantaneously to prevent personnel from restricted areas.

Which all sounds good — on paper. But solid-state lasers still don’t have the kind of power needed to meet these ambitious goals. At least $1.2 million was invested in this technology before it was diverted into the more modest PASS project. But the long-term aim is still to create smaller, and more powerful, pulsed laser weapons.

“As laser technology matures, we hope to eventually be at a 1 or 2 man-portable system,” says Keith Braun of the Army’s Advanced Energy Armaments Systems.

Interestingly, Stellar describes their efforts as “bringing the power of Star Wars technology to the field, providing the needed heavy punch capability to the SOF [Special Operations Forces] at a relative low cost.” It’s an Army program, but Special Forces Command have elsewhere expressed an interest in pulsed plasma laser weapons for lethal and nonlethal uses. It’s not impossible that there is more going on here than is visible from the surface and there are other more secret programs.

The developers see the possibility of dual lethal/nonlethal capability as a major benefit.

"I’ve talked to a lot of the guys in green," says Braun, "the one thing they want other than more time at home and a pay raise is a system that offers primarily less than lethal effects with the option to flip a switch and ‘go lethal’ should things escalate to that level. Hopefully, we are on the way to getting that to them."

As a lethal system, a laser sniper rifle would be a formidable weapon: perfect accuracy at any a range measured in miles, with no windage, no drop, and no need to allow for target movement. And it would not give the firer’s position away with a report, smoke or muzzle flash – all the enemy would see would be the effect when it hits the target. Although it would have little impact on armor, it would be useful against most other targets including aircraft and helicopters.

High-energy, continuous-beam laser weapon systems like the Airborne Laser rely on massive amounts of energy to burn through the target. Short pulse lasers can do the job with much less energy, by creating an intense shockwave focused on a small area. They may also be able to create significant electro-magnetic pulse effects, and there has been work on tuning these to stun or paralyze humans.

Can a lethal laser be made small enough to be portable, including the power supply? Not this year, and maybe not in five years. But the signs are that it’s certainly coming.

(Picture: PHASR, a solid-state laser dazzler project from the Air Force’s ScorpWorks)

As I said, these are in development. Yet again this clearly shows that you have no bloody idea what the he11 you are talking about


And xtago, you dont think for one second that Russia or China is going to allow the US to have something in their military arsenal that they dont have...do you? Hence the links to show that these ARE in production and will be given to the soldiers, take for instance the M307 Airburst Weapons System; which can fire over the tops of walls and hills and destroy the enemy behind same http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m307.htm

Again, just because YOU dont know about it does not mean that it does not exist or is in operation. Same with the spy sats. I have given you proof via the British Press, that there IS a lens that allows a person to read the Big Ben clock from 50KM away, that there IS a lens that gives you 1700x zoom thus allowing you to zero in on a single flea on a dogs butt at 1 mile away and even you have to admit that if this tech is available to you to buy then the world governments can and do have the same items three to five generations ahead of this. Just like you are using the internet with at best maybe a 8 to 15mbps speed...yet the US colleges and universities today as well as military and medical centers like Johns-Hopkins and the Cleveland Clinic; have a 1 to 10 GBPS transfer rate which means a surgeon in NY can instruct an operation in LA just like they were there with no lag. You cannot deny this as here is your proof http://tsunami-udp.sourceforge.net/ and yet again http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob...65efae47db79559 You dont believe this is possible, then contact the Cleveland Clinic or Johns-Hopkins and ask them yourself.


As I aid, it seems that there is only one person here that knows what they are talking about and that sadly is myself as the rest of you seemingly cannot grasp the simple fact that just because you dont know about it, does not mean it does not exist.

Originally posted by Daniel_1:

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...Blah blah blah...Which all sounds good — on paper. But solid-state lasers still don’t have the kind of power needed to meet these ambitious goals....Can a lethal laser be made small enough to be portable, including the power supply? Not this year, and maybe not in five years...blah blah blah... wall of text...

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Dan you are beyond foolishness. I would listen to ddp, even if you are only a half whit with a huge mouth. KEEP IT SHUT!

You can claim whatever you want. Fact of the matter is that you dont know as much as you try to make out you do.

Mez, YOU are the one beyond stupidity. You try and try to show what limited intelligence you have and fail at that. So please keep on opening your mouth as you are showing your stupidity with every post. And BTW, my source I gave you for the US Air Force is STILL waiting for you to contact them. You remember, the same one that you have never contacted yet insist does not exist? Whats a matter child, scared they will answer the phone?

Daniel_1, you have a 2 week ban for not listening to me.

Long over due DDP, looong over due.

had to see how long of a rope he wanted to hang himself with.

Originally posted by ddp:

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had to see how long of a rope he wanted to hang himself with.

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bomb disposal expert.

Originally posted by ddp:

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bomb disposal expert.

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i played with gun powder bombs in my late teens which is over 30 yrs ago but that does not make me a bomb expert.

Originally posted by ddp:

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i played with gun powder bombs in my late teens which is over 30 yrs ago but that does not make me a bomb expert.

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i'll just bomb you instead.

that's fine My homeowners insurance has a higher payout then the house is worth...So bomb away.

Phew!

More like a bungee cord than a rope ddp!

Now, I'm off to illegally watch some documentary called "Hot Tub Time Machine".

take notes on how to build it then post it here.

This is the place for it!

PS: I'm about your age ddp... I need this Hot Tub thingy to work!

You people are all children. I'll turn 70 in December. I'll tell you one thing. Getting old sucks although probably not as much as not getting old. I think Hume Cronyn summed it up best when he said "The golden years my ass!".

Originally posted by forkndave:

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You people are all children. I'll turn 70 in December. I'll tell you one thing. Getting old sucks although probably not as much as not getting old. I think Hume Cronyn summed it up best when he said "The golden years my ass!".

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I try.

did ya call in the white coats?

I've always wondered if it was someone trying to pull the leg, but with some of the stuff they must think 99% of the stuff is real and 100% working.

Open days at UNI/College are great ways of seeing some great new stuff, but hell even those people know 9 times out of 10 most the stuff is ideas written on paper.

oh well.

UPDATE

I checked out that Hot tub Time Machine documentary ddp and there was hardly anything on how it worked much less how to build one. To top it off, they didn't even appear to take the subject seriously at all! In fact, they seemed to treat it as some kind of joke!

Signed,
Disgusted.

bummer!!!!!

I really wanted to build one too. Now I am disappointed.