AMD quietly dropping prices on CPUs

SO whats a good USB 3 mobo with all USB 3 ports thats dose a Phenon 2 X6 black?

As much as I don't EVER want to see competition diminish, AMD has simply lost and can't hold a candle to the present day Intel procs. Intel's are lower nanometers, use less power, have higher bus frequencies, make MORE use of DDR3 RAM, have more transistors on 2 DIES and have higher clock rates with a lower multiplier. AMD better step up their game to reclaim their share of the market.

No doubt those AMD die-hard schmuck fans will counter this with "better for gaming" nonsense.........but the days of the higher bus bandwidth compared to Intel are over.

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whats a good motherboard that has USB 3.0 ports, and works with the PhenomII x6 ? (Zippy speak translation provided by brain trust)

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i couldn't really say for sure, id go with a reputable manufacturer. EFI is nice if you can afford it, ASrock has actually been doing good considering there a budget supplier.then you have Gigabyte which is somewhere in between.

i wouldn't piss on ASUS if it was on fire.

also as an AMD fanboy, the Phenom II x4 Series Kills the Core i5
and the AMD phenomII x4 945 can reach clock speeds up to 4ghz with Decent Aftermarket air cooling. which is why i believe they exempted it from the discounts.

the i7 is great but the cost is exaggerated greatly. the 945 can almost touch the i7's power when OCed.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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whats a good motherboard that has USB 3.0 ports, and works with the PhenomII x6 ? (Zippy speak translation provided by brain trust)

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i couldn't really say for sure, id go with a reputable manufacturer. EFI is nice if you can afford it, ASrock has actually been doing good considering there a budget supplier.then you have Gigabyte which is somewhere in between.

i wouldn't piss on ASUS if it was on fire.

also as an AMD fanboy, the Phenom II x4 Series Kills the Core i5
and the AMD phenomII x4 945 can reach clock speeds up to 4ghz with Decent Aftermarket air cooling. which is why i believe they exempted it from the discounts.

the i7 is great but the cost is exaggerated greatly. the 945 can almost touch the i7's power when OCed.

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I can understand being an AMD fan (though I'm not sure why you'd be a fan of an inferior product) but being a fan can be defined as "doubling your efforts while losing sight of your goal". You've lost sight here. Check these reviews out...........

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/266368-28-phenom-core-6gghz

Besides, overclocking an Intel I5, I7, etc is easy and frankly, why would anyone buy an I5 over an I7 as they're close in price. Your statement "the 945 can almost touch the i7's power when OCed" is ridiculous and is like comparing apples to chocolate covered cherries. Try saying that same statement but adding the "OCing" of an I7 rather than just a plain I7 with an OCed AMD. On another note........over clocking is lame because there's just no reason to endanger your proc by OCing simply to brag that yours is bigger than someone else's. OCing is nothing more than swordfighting. Hopefully everyone knows what "swordfighting" is. Generally speaking, the more intense the swordfight, the smaller the swords.

But disuading IT NERDS from doing this is an exercise in futility.

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disuading IT NERDS from doing this is an exercise in futility.

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you got that right, and ill bring my battleaxe to swordfight anyday.

an OCed i7 can't be competitive, as there is no competition. Intel will take advantage of this and they'll fall. they did the same thing when the P4HT's came out. and it turned around and kicked them in the ass.

If overpriced non competitive CPU's are your gig thats fine, My 945 does what i want and it does it well.

No need to rip off your shirt in a Nerd RAGE frenzy.

if i want to see fanboys fight i will go to the PC building forum! dont clutter the news please.

you both have good points, though not all correct, are understandable.

lissenup2, i wont bother disreputing your "facts" that you spout, and DXR8 you should know better than to feed a troll haha.

i mean if we want our fanboy fights im prepared with my own, just not on the news section.

Its all about the price and performance, I can tell you the quad 965 be is very close in performance with I7 but price is half of the cost, if i7 is 10 "965" is definitely 9

NOOBMODE_1
I got myself a Phenom 2 x2 550 be last sept. :)

As long as intel plans to use McAfee, I'll stick with my phenom lol. And ASUS has good boards, its a matter of how much you willing to spend. Gigabyte tho, usually lately a bit better than ASUS on mid-high end boards.

I have many systems built mostly AMD systems that I unlock to Quadcore, unlocking is the best way to get the best price/performance. But I like my i7 920 system the most out of all my systems.

ive never used AMD ive heard bad things about them so i decided to go with intel.

Not a fanboy. Of course there are things I like and don't like but not a fanboy. More of a 'factual boy'.

When I see people say or write things that clearly shows them with their heads up their *ss, it's smart and balanced people like myself that are tasked with responsibility of helping you to pull it out...............otherwise you all just keep irritating others with your propagandic nonsense and MASSIVE MISINFORMATION.

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Not a fanboy. Of course there are things I like and don't like but not a fanboy. More of a 'factual boy'.

When I see people say or write things that clearly shows them with their heads up their *ss, it's smart and balanced people like myself that are tasked with responsibility of helping you to pull it out...............otherwise you all just keep irritating others with your propagandic nonsense and MASSIVE MISINFORMATION.

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You might be the awesome genius you claim to be but you're dead wrong about OCing being lame. That stuff you said is way out of date. You don't have to go nuts OCing to get a major boost nowadays, it's safe, I do it on all my poots. One gets the impression you don't know how to do it.

PS: Oh yeah, anybody know if AMD do mATX mobos?? Atm the best you can get for that is i5 with intel.

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As much as I don't EVER want to see competition diminish, AMD has simply lost and can't hold a candle to the present day Intel procs. Intel's are lower nanometers, use less power, have higher bus frequencies, make MORE use of DDR3 RAM, have more transistors on 2 DIES and have higher clock rates with a lower multiplier. AMD better step up their game to reclaim their share of the market.

No doubt those AMD die-hard schmuck fans will counter this with "better for gaming" nonsense.........but the days of the higher bus bandwidth compared to Intel are over.

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You forgot one, the Intel processors are 3 times more expensive than AMD as well. Sure if you wanna drop a grand for the processor alone then be my guest, I'll have an entire system gaming or otherwise including a 720p LCD monitor for the Intel processor price alone. Businesses keep Intel alive due to existing contracts to use their products, but the consumer keeps AMD alive based on cost, performance, and efficiency.

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Originally posted by lissenup2:

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Not a fanboy. Of course there are things I like and don't like but not a fanboy. More of a 'factual boy'.

When I see people say or write things that clearly shows them with their heads up their *ss, it's smart and balanced people like myself that are tasked with responsibility of helping you to pull it out...............otherwise you all just keep irritating others with your propagandic nonsense and MASSIVE MISINFORMATION.

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You might be the awesome genius you claim to be but you're dead wrong about OCing being lame. That stuff you said is way out of date. You don't have to go nuts OCing to get a major boost nowadays, it's safe, I do it on all my poots. One gets the impression you don't know how to do it.

PS: Oh yeah, anybody know if AMD do mATX mobos?? Atm the best you can get for that is i5 with intel.

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"One gets the impression"..........yeah.....one that can't read or one that is foreign to the English language and has a hard time interpreting my reply or one that has little knowledge of the ACTUAL technological task associated with computers/overclocking, etc.

What I said is NOT way out of date. "Not going nuts w/overclocking" is practically the same as not doing it in the first place. Sure, OCing a GHz over the default might increase an application here and there like video editing or 3D manipulation but 99.9% of all people and applications won't notice a difference.

Perhaps you should try increasing your RAM rather than relying solely on the proc.

I've been doing this for 14 years. I know how to OC and you show your ignorance and insolence by saying that because anybody that knows anything about computers what-so-ever can OC. 11 years olds can.

As for "not going nuts" to get a "major boost".........WHAT??? WHAT??? They go hand in hand. A "major boost" relies upon a significant OC increase.

OCing is great for those with massive cooling systems or a heat sink the size of a grapefruit but even they don't notice a significant increase in ANYTHING computer related.........except bragging from benchmarks........and they're just plain NERDS.

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Originally posted by lissenup2:

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As much as I don't EVER want to see competition diminish, AMD has simply lost and can't hold a candle to the present day Intel procs. Intel's are lower nanometers, use less power, have higher bus frequencies, make MORE use of DDR3 RAM, have more transistors on 2 DIES and have higher clock rates with a lower multiplier. AMD better step up their game to reclaim their share of the market.

No doubt those AMD die-hard schmuck fans will counter this with "better for gaming" nonsense.........but the days of the higher bus bandwidth compared to Intel are over.

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You forgot one, the Intel processors are 3 times more expensive than AMD as well. Sure if you wanna drop a grand for the processor alone then be my guest, I'll have an entire system gaming or otherwise including a 720p LCD monitor for the Intel processor price alone. Businesses keep Intel alive due to existing contracts to use their products, but the consumer keeps AMD alive based on cost, performance, and efficiency.

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Where have you been shopping?? A grand?????????????

Yeah........maybe for an Extreme proc but those are worthless as they are comparable and 95% the same as the regulars.

I7 930 is only 289.00 from Intel. 50 bucks at best more than AMD. I7 950 is only 559 and going from 2.8GHz to 3.06 for almost 300 bucks is just stupid from a consumer's point of view.

They are cooler than AMD, more reliable, more powerful and will last 3 times longer.......especially for those that OC so it's worth it. AMD is great for people that are looking to build cheap machines and don't do any serious computing/gaming. It's also for those that aren't computer savvy or at the very least........it's for those that can't "let go" of AMD and jump on board with a truly more reliable and better performing product. Hey.......stick with AMD, to each his own.

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As much as I don't EVER want to see competition diminish, AMD has simply lost and can't hold a candle to the present day Intel procs. Intel's are lower nanometers, use less power, have higher bus frequencies, make MORE use of DDR3 RAM, have more transistors on 2 DIES and have higher clock rates with a lower multiplier. AMD better step up their game to reclaim their share of the market.

No doubt those AMD die-hard schmuck fans will counter this with "better for gaming" nonsense.........but the days of the higher bus bandwidth compared to Intel are over.

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Lissenup2,
Maybe if you weren't so busy flapping your gums, and did a little research, you might know what you are talking about. You would know that AMD has gone from 17.3% of the market, to 33.6% in the last 18 months. Socket 1366 Core i7s outperform the Phenom II x4s, but their cheapest current model, the socket 1366 Core i7 930 costs almost twice what a 3.2GHz Phenom II x4 955BE does. For all the additional expense of Triple channel DDR3, you get a very fast computer with the i7 930, by synthetic benchmark numbers, but what can it actually do? It's not a particularly great Gamer, and it doesn't encode Video particularly fast. The two dies you speak of, are actually a minus. They cost more to produce, and raise the possibility of failures because the two dies have to be connected by hand, so human error can come into play.

Here's a few builds, that are as inexpensive as I can get them and still have decent quality components. Please don't split hairs over the choice of components, as they represent decent quality for comparison purposes!

Intel socket 1366 i7 930, $1,077.44 with Tax and Shipping.




AMD socket AM3 955BE, 758.63




Even an AMD 1090T BE 6 Core costs less, $899.35.




The Phenom II x4 955BE/C3 costs a whopping $381.81 less!
The Phenom II x6 1090T/C3 costs $178.09 less

I know what I would by, because I already have mine. I'm on the third generation CPU upgrade on a 790X-UD4P DDR2 motherboard, in the last 16 months, with a Phenom II x4 955BE/C3. This was my first AMD build after about 18 years of building Intel's. It's a great machine. I wouldn't trade it for a comparably priced Intel for anything.

So, let me ask you this, Intel "die-hard schmuck fan", What's in your wallet?

theonejrs

Sorry for feeding the Troll!

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Originally posted by lissenup2:

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Not a fanboy. Of course there are things I like and don't like but not a fanboy. More of a 'factual boy'.

When I see people say or write things that clearly shows them with their heads up their *ss, it's smart and balanced people like myself that are tasked with responsibility of helping you to pull it out...............otherwise you all just keep irritating others with your propagandic nonsense and MASSIVE MISINFORMATION.

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You might be the awesome genius you claim to be but you're dead wrong about OCing being lame. That stuff you said is way out of date. You don't have to go nuts OCing to get a major boost nowadays, it's safe, I do it on all my poots. One gets the impression you don't know how to do it.

PS: Oh yeah, anybody know if AMD do mATX mobos?? Atm the best you can get for that is i5 with intel.

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"One gets the impression"..........yeah.....one that can't read or one that is foreign to the English language and has a hard time interpreting my reply or one that has little knowledge of the ACTUAL technological task associated with computers/overclocking, etc.

What I said is NOT way out of date. "Not going nuts w/overclocking" is practically the same as not doing it in the first place. Sure, OCing a GHz over the default might increase an application here and there like video editing or 3D manipulation but 99.9% of all people and applications won't notice a difference.

Perhaps you should try increasing your RAM rather than relying solely on the proc.

I've been doing this for 14 years. I know how to OC and you show your ignorance and insolence by saying that because anybody that knows anything about computers what-so-ever can OC. 11 years olds can.

As for "not going nuts" to get a "major boost".........WHAT??? WHAT??? They go hand in hand. A "major boost" relies upon a significant OC increase.

OCing is great for those with massive cooling systems or a heat sink the size of a grapefruit but even they don't notice a significant increase in ANYTHING computer related.........except bragging from benchmarks........and they're just plain NERDS.

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*Edited out by request so as not to offend theists*... , you are a psycho troll!

I stand by what I said, and decent cooling systems don't cost THAT much.

It just so happens I build poots for 3D rendering, video editing, video conversion AND GAMING for a living... you talk out of your backside.

"Perhaps you should try increasing your RAM rather than relying solely on the proc." What the f**k arrogance makes you think they/I only rely solely on the cpus???

People are allowed to have fun with their systems too.

Get over yourself lunatic.

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Originally posted by lissenup2:

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Not a fanboy. Of course there are things I like and don't like but not a fanboy. More of a 'factual boy'.

When I see people say or write things that clearly shows them with their heads up their *ss, it's smart and balanced people like myself that are tasked with responsibility of helping you to pull it out...............otherwise you all just keep irritating others with your propagandic nonsense and MASSIVE MISINFORMATION.

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You might be the awesome genius you claim to be but you're dead wrong about OCing being lame. That stuff you said is way out of date. You don't have to go nuts OCing to get a major boost nowadays, it's safe, I do it on all my poots. One gets the impression you don't know how to do it.

PS: Oh yeah, anybody know if AMD do mATX mobos?? Atm the best you can get for that is i5 with intel.

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"One gets the impression"..........yeah.....one that can't read or one that is foreign to the English language and has a hard time interpreting my reply or one that has little knowledge of the ACTUAL technological task associated with computers/overclocking, etc.

What I said is NOT way out of date. "Not going nuts w/overclocking" is practically the same as not doing it in the first place. Sure, OCing a GHz over the default might increase an application here and there like video editing or 3D manipulation but 99.9% of all people and applications won't notice a difference.

Perhaps you should try increasing your RAM rather than relying solely on the proc.

I've been doing this for 14 years. I know how to OC and you show your ignorance and insolence by saying that because anybody that knows anything about computers what-so-ever can OC. 11 years olds can.

As for "not going nuts" to get a "major boost".........WHAT??? WHAT??? They go hand in hand. A "major boost" relies upon a significant OC increase.

OCing is great for those with massive cooling systems or a heat sink the size of a grapefruit but even they don't notice a significant increase in ANYTHING computer related.........except bragging from benchmarks........and they're just plain NERDS.

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*Edited out by request so as not to offend theists*... , you are a psycho troll!

I stand by what I said, and decent cooling systems don't cost THAT much.

It just so happens I build poots for 3D rendering, video editing, video conversion AND GAMING for a living... you talk out of your backside.

"Perhaps you should try increasing your RAM rather than relying solely on the proc." What the f**k arrogance makes you think they/I only rely solely on the cpus???

People are allowed to have fun with their systems too.

Get over yourself lunatic.

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Jemborg...you know what happens when you feed it right?

every one with a brain knows a true overclock is making sure there are no or minimal bottlenecks in the entire system. sometimes an impossible task, for a majority of people. we with brains also know that with a proper OC comes great performance improvements to be had. that's the very reason we pride are selves with crazy ideas like the Liquid nitrogen cooler.

Albert Einstein was a nut job, and look what he did.

knock it off all of you!!!

Jemborg, edit your last post 1st 3 words.

both amd & intels have their pluses & minuses so we don't need any fanboyism or or somebody(ies) will be banned, UNDERSTOOD!!!!

Jemy

Ya only now and then is one CPU great than the other at double the price most of the time its a 5-20% gap in performance that is just not worth the added cost.

Now I think Intels Core 2 duo beat out ADMs stuff for a couple years and was worth the price of admission but right now they are pretty much neck in neck with Intel offering a small gap lead for 2 or 3 times the price.

Really as far as I see things (from a brain eating drooling layman perspective) we need faster motherboards ramm and chipsets and well silicon based crap all around as the CPU has pretty much topped out right now and there wont be a huge jump in things untill the rest of wut R makes a computer work gets an overhaul first.

I wont the best bng for my buck and frankly I wont be getting anything until a mobo has 2 quad USB 3 controllers on it I want all USB ports to be USB3.

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knock it off all of you!!!

Jemborg, edit your last post 1st 3 words.

both amd & intels have their pluses & minuses so we don't need any fanboyism or or somebody(ies) will be banned, UNDERSTOOD!!!!

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SIR!!! YESSIR!!! UNDERSTOOD!!! SIR!!!

sorry Jemmyboy looks like the fun is over.

DXR88, edit your Jemborg quote to match his.

tut tut russ you should know better than to rip him a new one :p

shaff, watch it.

@ddp... done.

@Zip, I have nothing against AMD, I was hoping they would catch up and thought they might. (They certainly did good work with ATi imo.) But I frankly admit I don't know much about them. A friend did think they didn't multitask so well but that was years ago.
In the process of building a poot that seems halfway to your specs for someone. I been considering the idea of putting together reasonably priced groovy-looking performance mATX HTS' for an earner line rather than just the purpose building. That's why I was wondering what the educated AMD crowd thought might be the go.

@Dexter... well, it's certainly cheaper than building a dragster! I guess some think that if your poot is good enough for trolling the net then what more do you need? It's the undeniable rule of JGGIFT still going strong.

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I been considering the idea of putting together reasonably priced groovy-looking performance mATX HTS' for an earner line rather than just the purpose building. That's why I was wondering what the educated AMD crowd thought might be the go.

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Jemborg,
Post #17 on page 1 has two such builds. A Phenom IIx4 955BE/C3, and a Phenom IIx6 1090T BE/C3.

Best Regards,
Russ

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@ddp... done.

@Zip, I have nothing against AMD, I was hoping they would catch up and thought they might. (They certainly did good work with ATi imo.) But I frankly admit I don't know much about them. A friend did think they didn't multitask so well but that was years ago.
In the process of building a poot that seems halfway to your specs for someone. I been considering the idea of putting together reasonably priced groovy-looking performance mATX HTS' for an earner line rather than just the purpose building. That's why I was wondering what the educated AMD crowd thought might be the go.

@Dexter... well, it's certainly cheaper than building a dragster! I guess some think that if your poot is good enough for trolling the net then what more do you need? It's the undeniable rule of JGGIFT still going strong.

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Well intel had a longer run with the C2Ds(p4 2 cores mostly suck) than the Pentium's, then again I think it took ADM to chip 6 or 7 to match the pens back in the day(I recall a couple adm 5's not quite being as nible as teh pens I used). Currently the phenom is doing well price/performance wise to the i7.

BTW any ieda when they will roll out a mobo with all USB3 ports? Another year?

No idea Zip.... I was surprised when they bought them out this year. Also there are these new external Sata/usb combo ports on the mobos that were news to me.

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I been considering the idea of putting together reasonably priced groovy-looking performance mATX HTS' for an earner line rather than just the purpose building. That's why I was wondering what the educated AMD crowd thought might be the go.

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Jemborg,
Post #17 on page 1 has two such builds. A Phenom IIx4 955BE/C3, and a Phenom IIx6 1090T BE/C3.

Best Regards,
Russ

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Thanks mate!

Cheers,
Jem

Jemborg, came across 1 of those combo ports this past weekend on a toshiba laptop.

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Jemborg, came across 1 of those combo ports this past weekend on a toshiba laptop.

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Good old Toshi, they make their own electronic components too, sell them to others but keep the best rated off the line for their own products.

It's a nuisance that it's more expensive to buy an external powered drive with sata or firewire ports eh? With more ports like these on the poots they may get cheaper.

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As much as I don't EVER want to see competition diminish, AMD has simply lost and can't hold a candle to the present day Intel procs. Intel's are lower nanometers, use less power, have higher bus frequencies, make MORE use of DDR3 RAM, have more transistors on 2 DIES and have higher clock rates with a lower multiplier. AMD better step up their game to reclaim their share of the market.

No doubt those AMD die-hard schmuck fans will counter this with "better for gaming" nonsense.........but the days of the higher bus bandwidth compared to Intel are over.

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AMD targeted the mid range buyers and doing very well in the sales.

@Jemborg,
This is what I sell for inexpensive Quad cores.




Total cost for this one is $417.48, delivered! I've sold 10 of them so far this year, for between $550 to $575. Very competent Quad core, good for just about anything. I have one in the living room I built for my roommate. Excellent sound, with HD4200 On board Graphics and HDMI. I added an XFX HD4670 Graphics card to it for $44, and it's a pretty good gamer. With the AMD Chipset, when you turn off the onboard graphics, there's no memory loss. I added a Freezer 64 to it, but at stock 2.8GHz, there's no need for any more than the Stock CPU Cooler. The Motherboard is inexpensive, and has very good overclocking capabilities, with lots of adjustments available.

Best Regards,
Russ

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@Jemborg,
This is what I sell for inexpensive Quad cores.




Total cost for this one is $417.48, delivered! I've sold 10 of them so far this year, for between $550 to $575. Very competent Quad core, good for just about anything. I have one in the living room I built for my roommate. Excellent sound, with HD4200 On board Graphics and HDMI. I added an XFX HD4670 Graphics card to it for $44, and it's a pretty good gamer. With the AMD Chipset, when you turn off the onboard graphics, there's no memory loss. I added a Freezer 64 to it, but at stock 2.8GHz, there's no need for any more than the Stock CPU Cooler. The Motherboard is inexpensive, and has very good overclocking capabilities, with lots of adjustments available.

Best Regards,
Russ

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Right... nice.

Now my plan is to get it into a sexy mATX case, a few UV LEDs, an ATi GFX that has HD HDMI sound out, Blu-ray player, dual TV tuner card (might have infra-red remote), Noctua S12 fan and about 2 gigs of HDD. Throw in Bluetooth and N wireless. Optional MCE wireless trackball keyboard (or touchpad version).... think it would sell?

Cheers,
Jem

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Right... nice.

Now my plan is to get it into a sexy mATX case, a few UV LEDs, an ATi GFX that has HD HDMI sound out, Blu-ray player, dual TV tuner card (might have infra-red remote), Noctua S12 fan and about 2 gigs of HDD. Throw in Bluetooth and N wireless. Optional MCE wireless trackball keyboard (or touchpad version).... think it would sell?

Cheers,
Jem

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Jemborg,
Something like this Antec 900 that's on sale at Newegg for $89.99 (after $20 MIR), might be just what you are looking for!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

It would seem to fit in with what you have in mind. It certainly have visual impact and appeal! Some "Flash for your Cash"! LOL!!

Cheers,
Russ

I was think of something similar to this case Russ which is what I have but seems to be hard to get now: