Windows 7 RC available for download

I'm downloading my copy now...I can't wait to have a version of windows that runs for a full two hours at a time!

well I downloaded it last week and gave it a try. I have to say it's more stable than vista even though it's a rc. I haven't got one error yet and it plays games such as crysis call of duty 4 the longest journey and a few other good games perfect no problems. daemon tools will not work though at the moment. it does look like a glorified vista but it's smoother and the AREO is more glassy looking. many programs work great with it that i've tried too many to mention but all in all it's a nice smooth working operating sys over vista and i'd say it will be the best operating sys to come since xp. nice and fast also.

Do you think that win7 will work on ibm thinkpad t30? (1,8ghz, 512mb ram (I have 7xxMb, but other ram sold is dead..) and 16mb vram), I know that its video card is crap, but I dont give shit about areo/7/vista/xp theme(s), I'm using win 2k theme/classic theme on xp(what my laptop has at this moment, and it has linux mint5 too btw), so do you think it will work?

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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I'm downloading my copy now...I can't wait to have a version of windows that runs for a full two hours at a time!

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Does anyone know if this version has the Virtual XP?

Virtual XP is not and WILL NOT be included in the Windows 7 install. It is a seperate download. I'm not sure what Microsoft's process for making virtaul XP available for download will be, but I don't think it will be a "hook" in the OS.

One thing about the Virtual XP that I wasn't aware of when reading initial articles about it, but found out after trying (I did mange to get a copy :) ) is that it REQUIRES a provessor with virtualization support. That means that some older processors that worked with Microsoft's older Virtual PC product, or VMWare, won't work with the Windows 7 Virtual XP feature. I have an Athlon 64 X2 3800+ and it won't work because this processor doesn't have virtualization support.

I've been using Windows 7 since the very first beta release and I must say, it's a real solid OS. It's what Vista tried to be and what XP achieved both packed into one.

I initially downloaded the image to try it out on VirtualPC and it was pretty solid, so I installed it as a secondary OS and i've been using it as my main OS for a few months now and will continue to do so until I ever encounter something that is incompatible (in which case I'll probably just run it in XP-Emulation mode.)

I tried 7 and its vista with crap added too it

Originally posted by wolf123:

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I tried 7 and its vista with crap added too it

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I tried 7 and its vista with crap added too it

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Hardly. If you were to check the many benchmark tests you would see that Windows 7 out-performs both Vista and XP in countless performance tests. Not to mention, it utilises multiple processor chip cores unlike any other OS to date.

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I'm always the first one to bash their new o/s but I have to say on this occasion they have performed wonders.
Millenium was utter crap we all know that, XP was great but fairly buggy at the beginning , Vista was and always will be a piece of resource hogging crap but Windows 7 is more stable than XP and adds the best visual parts of Vista without the errors and time lags - it also loads faster than both XP and Vista.
I have my RC 7 but i'm holding back until the security software firms manage to release versions that are compatible with it. Symantec etc all worked with Window 7 Beta but something has been added to the RC candidate that makes them incompatible so be warned that if you use it right now - you may have to rely only on the onboard security software ( Windows firewall and bit defender etc )at least until fixes are released by the software security manufacturers.

Every time I try to download it I get a message stating that the download has been corrupted.

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I tried 7 and its vista with crap added too it

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Originally posted by creaky:

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That was why i always stayed away from Vista. I don't buy into the (misguided) idea that the latest OS or software has to have a monster system with which to run it. Just because there are £400 graphics cards etc for sale doesn't mean an OS has to be designed to virtually need the very latest powerful hardware to run. Linux can indeed run on very old hardware, and personally i run a mix of old and new hardware (nowadays mainly new, but i digress) Windows 7, Linux etc, can run on peoples' existing (and slower) hardware. It was about time that Microsoft made Windows 7 (refined Vista code no less) able to run on older, slower hardware (and apparently on netbooks too though i'm leaving my netbook on XP for now), we don't all want or need to have the very latest expensive hardware just because they release a new OS.
I don't fall for the argument 'technology moves on blah blah blah', of course it does, but i don't sell the kids every time something new comes out. I do try and keep my kit fairly up to date, but i'm not one of today's throwaway society who have to have the latest toys just because they're out there, i'm not 6yrs old anymore. I run old kit until it's had it, i don't just trash or get rid just because it can't run new stuff, it can still run existing OS/software and/or alternative OS/software.

Maybe Windows 7 was written to run leaner to take advantage of the netbook type market, i don't know (or care), it just means that they will regain a customer who used every single release of theirs except Vista (i even used the abomination that was WinMe). What i won't be doing however is allowing any Windows Updates on my machines, just as i wouldn't do with previous versions. I don't want DRM on my kit, whether it's via Updates or not.

I've so far only tried W7 (build 7000) on an AMD Turion laptop and build 7100 on this Core 2 Duo E6400, W7 does indeed absolutely fly here. I've got XP, W7 and Mandriva 2009.1 on this machine now, and i have very good performance from all three, the only pain is which one to use, though W7 is winning so far :)

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Originally posted by windsong:

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Well I tried it and it doesnt really matter that its a little faster than Vista/XP if they scattered all commands/buttons/taskbar to the four winds and back. Honestly, the whole UI is similar to the drastic change that we saw from Office 2003 to Office 2007. No way to get the classic taskbar back. No way to even get the show desktop button back. And what is with the dumbing down of the OS? The idiotic stickpin feature seems dumbed down. Thanks but no thanks. I'll stick with XP instead of going with Vista II.

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Originally posted by Frogfart:

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Every time I try to download it I get a message stating that the download has been corrupted.

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Win7 is already much more stable than WinXP ever was.

Like Vista it will also be much more secure than WinXP.

I have been using Vista for over 2 years and I've been very happy with it, especially since SP1 was released.

Believe me when I say, Win7 will rock!

@domie : ESet NOD32 v4.0.314 working well here with Win7RC.

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Originally posted by wolf123:

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I tried 7 and its vista with crap added too it

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Hardly. If you were to check the many benchmark tests you would see that Windows 7 out-performs both Vista and XP in countless performance tests. Not to mention, it utilises multiple processor chip cores unlike any other OS to date.

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Well I tried it and it doesnt really matter that its a little faster than Vista/XP if they scattered all commands/buttons/taskbar to the four winds and back. Honestly, the whole UI is similar to the drastic change that we saw from Office 2003 to Office 2007. No way to get the classic taskbar back. No way to even get the show desktop button back. And what is with the dumbing down of the OS? The idiotic stickpin feature seems dumbed down. Thanks but no thanks. I'll stick with XP instead of going with Vista II.

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Originally posted by KillerBug:

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I'm downloading my copy now...I can't wait to have a version of windows that runs for a full two hours at a time!

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Originally posted by KillerBug:

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I'm downloading my copy now...I can't wait to have a version of windows that runs for a full two hours at a time!

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Well, yes and no. It runs without shutting down for as long as you want until March of 2010. However, hopefully the full version will be out by then.

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Originally posted by Paul Thurrott @ windowsitpro.com:

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the RC won't expire until June 1, 2010, Microsoft will
institute bi-hourly shutdowns of the Windows 7 RC beginning March 1,
2010, in a bid to get testers to upgrade to the final version. At that
time, anyone still running the Windows 7 RC will see their PC shut down
automatically every two hours. (A similar automatic shutdown will begin
for the Windows 7 Beta on July 1, 2009.) On June 1, 2010, the Windows 7
RC will be marked as "not genuine" and will enter the Windows
non-genuine experience.

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lucky to have GUI.

Nothing like advance windows maintenance in vista than running all these commands that you never knew existed.

Win7 is no better they hide things, important things things that could prove useful in determining a compatibility issue.

Windose 7 is what vista should have been its like XP was what ME should have been. the GUI will get a better XP mode sooner rather than later so cheer up people this one is not all bad.

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Hardly. If you were to check the many benchmark tests you would see that Windows 7 out-performs both Vista and XP in countless performance tests. Not to mention, it utilises multiple processor chip cores unlike any other OS to date.

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Originally posted by varnull:

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Hardly. If you were to check the many benchmark tests you would see that Windows 7 out-performs both Vista and XP in countless performance tests. Not to mention, it utilises multiple processor chip cores unlike any other OS to date.

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rubbish.. unix has supported multiple cpu's since the dawn of time..

I think the limit for clusterix is currently 64x512

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no zipp.. it's just different.. just bacause something seems familiar don't forget.. to those of us who prehaps see it once every few weeks it's the M$ product that is hard work and old fashioned... and unintuitive and restrictive and limiting... that's apart from being in your face popping those popups all the bloody time when you are trying to do ANYTHING AT ALL ... and how many reboots in 2 hours installing anything???.. outmoded monolithic garbage.. sorry.. it's the truth.

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rubbish.. unix has supported multiple cpu's since the dawn of time..

I think the limit for clusterix is currently 64x512

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Originally posted by BobL:

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Virtual XP is not and WILL NOT be included in the Windows 7 install. It is a seperate download. I'm not sure what Microsoft's process for making virtaul XP available for download will be, but I don't think it will be a "hook" in the OS.

One thing about the Virtual XP that I wasn't aware of when reading initial articles about it, but found out after trying (I did mange to get a copy :) ) is that it REQUIRES a provessor with virtualization support. That means that some older processors that worked with Microsoft's older Virtual PC product, or VMWare, won't work with the Windows 7 Virtual XP feature. I have an Athlon 64 X2 3800+ and it won't work because this processor doesn't have virtualization support.

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I'm so sick of these Microsoft/Windows haters. Deal with the fact that Windows 7 is a huge step forward in allot of areas. Allot of these people will NEVER be satisfied. It's like trying to satisfy a fat kid, they will not stop eating no matter what you do. These cry babies on all these forums are always crying about how Windows suck, once upon a time people said the same thing about XP, now look how XP's being praised. People... move on with OS technology or be left in the dust with your old XP or Linux. I'll be taking the Windows 7 plunge.

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no zipp.. it's just different.. just bacause something seems familiar don't forget.. to those of us who prehaps see it once every few weeks it's the M$ product that is hard work and old fashioned... and unintuitive and restrictive and limiting... that's apart from being in your face popping those popups all the bloody time when you are trying to do ANYTHING AT ALL ... and how many reboots in 2 hours installing anything???.. outmoded monolithic garbage.. sorry.. it's the truth.

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Anybody know how big the download is?

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Anybody know how big the download is?

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"Oh man you just made me spit coffee on my monitor! " - Sorry, I hopy your screen is OK.

"rubbish.. unix has supported multiple cpu's since the dawn of time.." - Multiple CPU support is not new to windows 7! It's just how it uses them that has changed.

"Anybody know how big the download is? " - The x64 image is about 3.0GB; don't waist your time with the x86 version.

"no zipp.. it's just different.. just bacause something seems familiar don't forget.. to those of us who prehaps see it once every few weeks it's the M$ product that is hard work and old fashioned... and unintuitive and restrictive and limiting... that's apart from being in your face popping those popups all the bloody time when you are trying to do ANYTHING AT ALL ... and how many reboots in 2 hours installing anything???.. outmoded monolithic garbage.. sorry.. it's the truth." - You clearly do not know how to dissable UAC. It is much easier than compiling your own kernal.

"Yes but nothing runs on it and you have to take classes to be able to use the bloodly thing right" - Plus believe it or not, some people use Autodesk Inventor, SolidWorks, and maybe even ActiveX. Ever tried playing GTAIV on linux? There are lots of programs that either will not run on linux, or require massive setup just to run slowly on linux.

So far it is looking good. I have pctools free firewall and avg free antivirus installed with no problems.
It runs a little slow (GUI) on my amd 3000 single core/1gb ram/ati9600 pro video card but nothing to drastic (it will run on 512mb of ram). I have some older games that play well on it (halo/bf2/halflife2). Disabling the Aero interface does speed up the GUI but then it looks worst than XP. Windowblinds is not compatible with windows 7.

Downside it took me 3 hours to find drivers for an older soundcard that I'm using, but it works now. Also I installed the xp virtual addon but it won't run on my computer (no hardware support). Can't find how to see my other computers on the LAN yet (no obvious my network places like xp), but I have no problem playing head to head games over the LAN.

I haven't read any manual/directions on how to use Windows 7, I prefer to test it using XP as a guideline. So far nothing an XP user will have problems with.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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"Oh man you just made me spit coffee on my monitor! " - Sorry, I hopy your screen is OK.

"rubbish.. unix has supported multiple cpu's since the dawn of time.." - Multiple CPU support is not new to windows 7! It's just how it uses them that has changed.

"Anybody know how big the download is? " - The x64 image is about 3.0GB; don't waist your time with the x86 version.

"no zipp.. it's just different.. just bacause something seems familiar don't forget.. to those of us who prehaps see it once every few weeks it's the M$ product that is hard work and old fashioned... and unintuitive and restrictive and limiting... that's apart from being in your face popping those popups all the bloody time when you are trying to do ANYTHING AT ALL ... and how many reboots in 2 hours installing anything???.. outmoded monolithic garbage.. sorry.. it's the truth." - You clearly do not know how to dissable UAC. It is much easier than compiling your own kernal.

"Yes but nothing runs on it and you have to take classes to be able to use the bloodly thing right" - Plus believe it or not, some people use Autodesk Inventor, SolidWorks, and maybe even ActiveX. Ever tried playing GTAIV on linux? There are lots of programs that either will not run on linux, or require massive setup just to run slowly on linux.

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I've had Windows 7 for about a month now. And my verdict is it's a stripped down Vista. Microsoft got rid of all the bloatware, (like dreamscene). It boot up fast like XP. The task bar; you either love it or hate it. Other than that, it feels like Vista.

Been using RC1 for a few weeks now... Yes, it's quite a bit better than Vista, but I'll still stick with XP (for PC use)...at least until W7 SP1 comes out 4-6 mos. after the 'golden' version.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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The x64 image is about 3.0GB; don't waist your time with the x86 version.

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It says that 1 GB of RAM is required for the x86 version. So does that mean it'll run like crap if your PC only has 1 GB RAM?

inagasake
It runs around 550MB when idle with AV installed... you should be fine with 1GB of RAM.

I'm starting to like it...it runs all my Vista64 apps, plus a few that would not run on Vista64. Even runs my ESET security suite without issue, and ESET's firewall runs MUCH faster on Windows 7 than it did on Vista. I hate the taskbar...it takes up twice as much room as the old one to do the same thing, and there is no "classic start menu" option...but other than those issues I am very happy so far. As for drivers, it works perfectly with every Vista64 driver I have tried.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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The x64 image is about 3.0GB; don't waist your time with the x86 version

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When will the RC version be available, it has now been over 24 hours and still haven't been able to acquire?

Originally posted by kevbr:

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When will the RC version be available, it has now been over 24 hours and still haven't been able to acquire?

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Eh ??, I have proceeded with this process, all it does is go to a new page after language selection, does not go into the download process, only a revolving circle trying to go to the next step?
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/download.aspx

It's more than likely due to half the known world downloading it at the same time :)

Windows 7 Screens

From the above, I had the beta build installed on a MUCH older system and it was running about as fast as XP (sorry, I've since lost the benchmark numbers.) Ideally you would want 1gb of memory at the very least; just as in Vista, if the video card doesn't support Aero, it will be disabled.

And why all the fuss over the moved/changed shortcuts, interface, etc.? YES, it is a pain in the butt, but it's just like Vista, except a FEW things have been moved back into logical places, where it is easier to find.

And for those that keep quibling over the "show desktop" button it's the small box next to the system clock!!! LOL.

Did people complain this much when 98/ME jumped to XP?

win 7 beta, the desktop crashed on me every few mintues as did cod4,
xp bsoded every few hours and everytime i installed games
vista 64 since july 07, never had one bsod due to it, bar when i was pushing my OCs, hardky any crashes, bar nvidias early drivers.

personally, IMO vista 64 was the best OS to come out, but i like moving on. one thing i like about vista is my personal taskbar:

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk50/shaffaaf27/bkground.png

can i do that in win7 rc1, as i could find a way to do that in the beta

Originally posted by shaffaaf:

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can i do that in win7 rc1, as i could find a way to do that in the beta

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I have been using Windows 7 since it was first released. I like it a lot. When they first released it, I had issues with my laptop's wireless connection connecting to various networks and having to reboot to get it to work short term. Since that first build, its worked great and it's way faster and more stable then Vista has been for me. I never really liked Vista but Windows 7 has changed my view on a windows product from M$. I think this is a step in a better direction with this OS and hopefully they don't find new ways to F' it up.

Yeah as i've said before, in my opinion Windows 7 is what Vista should have been. Let's hope it stays that way by the time it hits Retail or it can bugger right off.

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Let's face it. I skipped Vista because:
A) it sucked
B) XP was sufficient

But XP is no longer sufficient. The memory limitations and other restrictions are just going to leave XP in the dust. At some point, whether you want to or not you're going to have to upgrade.

I'm cautiously optimistic that Win7 will be acceptable.
Cooler talk seems to indicate that it won't be too bad.

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Originally posted by ThePastor:

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Let's face it. I skipped Vista because:
A) it sucked
B) XP was sufficient

But XP is no longer sufficient. The memory limitations and other restrictions are just going to leave XP in the dust. At some point, whether you want to or not you're going to have to upgrade.

I'm cautiously optimistic that Win7 will be acceptable.
Cooler talk seems to indicate that it won't be too bad.

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I have to do phone tech support for a software company. Fixing an XP machine is easy. Fixing a Vista machine is impossible.
The UI is a joke, The security is rediculous.
I don't use Vista everyday but I have to deal with other people who do and it's a nightmare.

First thing is almost always... "Turn off UAC"...
Hell, little things like: Vista will assign user rights to a file created on XP such that even an "Administrator" is unable to open the file.

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Originally posted by ThePastor:

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I have to do phone tech support for a software company. Fixing an XP machine is easy. Fixing a Vista machine is impossible.
The UI is a joke, The security is rediculous.
I don't use Vista everyday but I have to deal with other people who do and it's a nightmare.

First thing is almost always... "Turn off UAC"...
Hell, little things like: Vista will assign user rights to a file created on XP such that even an "Administrator" is unable to open the file.

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I've been running Vista 64 since 2007. Since SP1 it's been very stable and much smoother than XP. Windows 7 on the other hand has been locking up, crashing various games and pretty much running like Vista when it was in beta.

I'm running on a evga 680i, Q6700, 8GB DDR2, evga GTX 280 and raid 0 with 2 x 150gb Raptors.

the first thing to do is to enable the vista secret admin, which is liek the propper admin in XP. then you are sorted

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XBMC won't work at all for me under RC1. Have tried 9.04 Babylon Beta, RC1 and the final version which was released yesterday.

edit- The latest build of XBMC now works under Win7..

However as to stuff that does work ~

I just installed Nero 6.6.0.18 on RC1 as i still use Burning Rom across my machines for multiple concurrent burns (which Imgburn can't do), and it seems to work fine. The annoying 'this program doesn't work' box does pop up, but Nero works if you ignore it.

Office 2007 works fine as expected. So far i've also successfully run the following under RC1 ~

AutoGK 2.55
ConvertXToDVD 2.2.3.258
DVD Flick 1.3.0.6
DVD Rebuilder Pro 1.28.2
DVD Shrink 3.2.0.15
DVDFab HD Decrypter 4.1.2.0
DVDFab Platinum 4.1.2.0 / 5.2.5.0 / 6.0.0.3 Beta
ImgBurn 2.4.4.0 (plus Imgburn's predecessor ie the one that used to be popular for ripping movies)
Insane (old Codemasters driving game) (graphics don't run correctly though this is probably because i'm running the games from the XP install area)
Nero 6.6.0.18 (i only use Burning Rom, can't vouch for other parts of Nero)
VobBlanker 2.1.3.0
Quake III Arena 1.32 (graphics don't run correctly though this is probably because i'm running the games from the XP install area)
Urban Terror 4.1

plus things that were expected to work fine ~
FileZilla
Google Earth
Media Player Classic
Mirc/NNScript
VLC media player 0.9.9

*edited to clarify that i only use Burning Rom, not the other parts of Nero; also, i use 32-bit Windows*

HI, everyone first time to post. I am a xp guy however, I downloaded the new windows 7. At this point im having fun with it. I never thought i would ever stop using xp.The windows 7 has more drivers then xp and vista. Well to get to the point. I too love my nero 6.6.0.16 and .18. when i open the nero smart start click on cd at the top then when i click on data and go to make data cd it tries to open then i get the nero wont work and then it closes. I have nero 8 but love my 6 for my movies. Any work a round this problem?


Thanks for any help

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I too love my nero 6.6.0.16 and .18. when i open the nero smart start click on cd at the top then when i click on data and go to make data cd it tries to open then i get the nero wont work and then it closes. I have nero 8 but love my 6 for my movies. Any work a round this problem?

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i don't think i've ever seen creaky this active on a thread, not that i go looking for trouble.

SHH!!!.....(he's happy, let him be, or ill get banned again)...


:P

lol

'tis true, i don't often frequent News threads, but i've been absorbed with W7. It's very rare i'm so engrossed in an OS (whatever platform it's for), it's like 24th August 1995 all over again :)

I do post heavily as a normal user, just not in the News section.

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'tis true, i don't often frequent News threads, but i've been absorbed with W7. It's very rare i'm so engrossed in an OS (whatever platform it's for), it's like 24th August 1995 all over again :)

I do post heavily as a normal user, just not in the News section.

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Since all of my data is on a different drive I'll be doing a clean install of the Win 7 RC sometime this weekend plus installing all the programs I ran under Vista. Nice of Microsoft to release this operating system. I have the beta that they released on a DVD but didn't try it out so might as well give the RC a whirl....

My Windows Vista shuts down every two hours and I paid for that.

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'tis true, i don't often frequent News threads, but i've been absorbed with W7. It's very rare i'm so engrossed in an OS (whatever platform it's for), it's like 24th August 1995 all over again :)

I do post heavily as a normal user, just not in the News section.

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My Windows Vista shuts down every two hours and I paid for that.

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I only just noticed my email had a link to the W7 RC earlier this morning. So haven't burned it too a disk yet.

I am looking forward to testing it out on one of my spare drives.

I have Vista Ultimate on my laptop, and actually I like it on there. No problems whatsoever. Works good for my purposes on a laptop.

Otherwise its been XP for like forever. 98, 95, Windows 3.1 before that.

I can honestly say I'm impressed. Win7 just boots right up onto the desktop without any major slow downs. I checked task manager for any running processes and it had about 40, only a few higher than my XP install. I'm starting to look forward to the release of Win7 seeing as how Microsoft are becoming a little more proficient at building a robust OS.

Well I had vista in my Dell vastro 200 and I absolutely hated vista. It sucks when you try to run a Radio station on shoutcast with vista. When you run a second player to preview songs before you add them to the on air playlist it caused my station to bog down and many of my listeners left because of vista's problems. Went back to XP (thank god for Dell being smart and adding the XP drivers to the dell driver disk that came with the vostro 200). I had to update the sound card driver but when I went back to xp it made that same dell act as though it was a new machine. I was as happy as a pig in shit for my machine runs fast and flawless. I'll never ever install vista. I've had friends begging me for my serial number for that xp disk and no way will I mess up my legal copy of XP. I've been offered $1,000 for the serial number but still no way. If my XP is worth $1,000 now I can't wait to see how much it will be worth when Windows 7 comes out.

I understand that task bar is way more complicated. Some people say it is more like a mac than Windows. Well if that is true I say Linux will be popular very soon because some distros are more like xp (which I'm use to) so I'd learn linux because more people are going in that direction. There will be hacks to make XP accept higher memory so look for the hacks soon.

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Windows 7 RC1's first bug ~ http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=1003

A-ha - that explains why i was having trouble deleting things yesterday. I got around it each time by just rebooting to XP (triple boot PC) and deleting folders from there. Sounds like a Vista-ism made it's way into the x86 version eh :p

Well still loving windows 7. I would like to know is their any way to remove IE 8?. I want to go back to IE 7. Just like to know.

Originally posted by mcclee:

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is their any way to remove IE 8?. I want to go back to IE 7. Just like to know.

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Thanks creaky will try this soon Have a good day