Funny you should mention Liquid Audio. A serious flaw I've noticed from time to time, is the unsolicited inclusion of unwanted software which many companies bundle with their own products. [for profit of course] Microsoft, certainly, is notorious for this. But another prime offender is Adaptec. (Now 'Roxio') The cdrom which came with my first (now dead) cd burner includes 'Easy CD Creator & Direct CD, but it *also* mandatorily installs an outdated Liquid Audio player, a crummy device with crummy sound, for crummy L.A. files which are hard to find (thank god, who needs 'em?) whether I like it or not. This necessitates the manual UN-installing of the damned thing every time I use the cdrom. It's an evil practice that should be banned. -- Mike --