Xbox 360 specifications leaked

Sounds pretty cool so far :) Will be interesting to see this and the PS3 head to head when they are released. I can't afford both :( Cheers.

Mmmm I like that there's some degree of free Live access. That is smart.

Thats one hell of a spec for a console : ) cant wait till both PS3 and xbox360 are head to head, this will be "The next generation" hehe...

xbox will lost more customers because it lack off backward compatible. 2ndly, for developer cost or loyalty fee still very hight; so far, xbox games still not develope by all major game factories. However, PS3 will backward compatible and their open architecture will available.

"xbox will lost more customers because it lack off backward compatible. 2ndly, for developer cost or loyalty fee still very hight; so far, xbox games still not develope by all major game factories. However, PS3 will backward compatible and their open architecture will available." I highly doubt it, especially because no one wants to play the old games anymore, and the XBL subscription is transferrable.

I would put a bet on that the xbox360 WILL be backwards comapatible... It will give existing xbox owners an upgrade solution thus more sales of the xbox360 console.

that's more powerful than my pc, there was a time my psone is more powerful than my pc. the point is, i hope its affordable.

that's a pretty damn cool spec.nice to see microsoft producing an actual worthy console. Though, the XBox had a great spec too, but the first 8 systems i knew ppl to have, were all taken back because they crashed. So its not really that great until we see it working amazingly as it sounds. until then i think i won't be trying to pre-order this. Dan x

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I would put a bet on that the xbox360 WILL be backwards comapatible... It will give existing xbox owners an upgrade solution thus more sales of the xbox360 console.

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Microsoft has already decided not to make it backwards compatible

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I can't really give a flying *&^% about how powerful the bloody thing may or may not be, the bigger question is whether there are going to be any good games. Who really cares about backwards compatability though... You've already GOT an xbox if you're complaining about backwards compatability, and the games were only written to take advantage of the original xbox's hardware, you'll not get a great improvement from the new system. Get an A/V selector and a double adapter, problem solved, you're 100% backwards compatible. Show me the games before I cough up all of my cash (would expect it to be a hefty wad of it too, seeing some of these specs).

of course the games are going to be better, we are talking a 100Xs more power with this thing and if you listen to the game delevoperes talk, they are excited on how far they can push this thing. There is a screenshoot of project gothom racing for the xbox 360 floating around places and it looks awesome

Im sorry, but I have to repeat myself 100 TIMES MORE POWER

History has shown that power alone doesn't ensure the success of a console. Just IMO, if I had to chose between an XBox and a PSX, I'd go with PSX. Why? IMHO, I can count the number of good games available on XBox that aren't available on other systems on one hand. PSX might be technologically inferior by far, but all the same it still remains very popular today, a decade after its release. Do you have a link to that info about the backwards compatible version of the new XBox deezp1? It's not that I doubt you, I just hadn't heard anything about that yet (bad idea making it more expensive IMO).

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Do you have a link to that info about the backwards compatible version of the new XBox

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I really like that the 16:9 720p and 1080i support has been extended to include ALL games. With that and Dolby Surround too, gaming will continue to be better on home theater systems. As always, I'm gong to get a Sony PS3 and Nintendo Revolution too so it mainly just comes down to the games and exclusive titles for each system for me personally. I just hope Sony requires all of their games to have surround sound and support widescreen along with other scan rates besides 480i. I hope Nintendo expands on their Progressive scan support with 16:9 support. Also, I hope they extend their Pro Logic II/IIx support into Dolby Digtial as well.

wow the x-360 is better then my pc in the words of a night with paris "thats hot" are there any specs for nintendo revou just wondering----

That's an interesting link. Perhaps if enough good games come out with the new system I'll consider getting one of the backwards compatible units. Thanks for the link deezp1.

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wow the x-360 is better then my pc in the words of a night with paris "thats hot"

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So no support for HD-DVD or Blu-Disk???? If not, theres not a chance in hell I would buy this system.

Dude, that's stupid! So if the PS3 doesn't have the ability to microwave your tighty-whities warm and crispy, is there a chance in hell you'll buy it? Because you just can't live without HD-DVD or Blue-disk...how on earth did you survive this long without it? Moron.

How much would this Xbox 360 cost.

I have read in several stories on IGN that microsoft will push for a price around $249 to $300. But the Hd version will be about 100 more. These were just guesses though. It would be nice

not only is Ms trying to take over console market, it's also tring to gobble up GPU. Probably will be loaded with bloatware incompatibilities IO errors and a gimped version of .net 2.0. no thanks, how thin is MS trying to spread?

it has been established there will NOT be 2 different versions of the xbox by now. for being such xbox fan boys, i thought you woulda known this by now. They dropped the HD size, and as a result are having only 1 version of the console. 2 different versions whilst pushing for people to buy the higher price one (as microsoft said it would already do if they actualy did produce 2 versions) would be their death knoll. If this is what the xbox is....the PS3 should be absolutely astounding. Dan x

I still would put a bet on it being backwards compatible and like spooky said.. i dont think they will have 2 kinds either : ) But Deezp1 sounds like he knows his stuff so i could be wrong : ) @Spooky I think PS3 will "absolutely astounding" espesially with its new cell technology...

Maybe more information about whether or not there will be two versions and/or a backwards compatible version will be revealed at the upcoming E3 - can't wait for that. :)

--------->OK IM LOST<----------- just need a clear answer on this... is microsoft making new games on the xbox 360? --- games that would make the current xbox's games obsolete? i.e. when PS2 came out, there were games for PS2 alone and thus you cant play your PS1 games on it.

also, is xbox really making games for teh 360 ALONE? or are they keeping the games the way they are right now...meaning the games could play both on the 360 and the old xbox?

Jesus H Christ on a motorcycle. That is one hell of a machine. I have a pretty decent PC but that thing puts my pc to shame. And as for the people saying the Xbox 360 won't be backwards compatible, Microsoft would have to be nuts not to make it backwards compatible. Just think of all the game sales they would miss out on.

I must admitt i am not a xbox owner nor do i plan to buy the 360 unless they can show me a better library of games, but i dont see why people should not complain about wanting the 360 console to be backwards compatible. Big deal? Oh yeah, I think so. This is like shooting yourself in the foot before the race even gets started. I am not saying 360 will not still sale but for god's sake they would be making the system handicapped. Backwards compatible is just a smart way to do business. There are those games out there that are known as classics and a lot of the gamers still do crave to play them.I am sure Halo 2 will be one of these classics. That is how you know a game was really top notch in its day if it can hold a good replay value. Maybe some of you xbox gamers dont care about backwards compatibility b/c there were not as many games that are on the level of games like halo 2. ps2 has plenty of games that could be put on the same pedistal as GTA SA so maybe the replay value is more of an with me and only a fool would say it does not matter anyway bc financially microsoft would be going into the nex generation of video gaming playing with a short deck of cards while ps3(if backwards compatible) would be playing with 3 or 4 decks of cards. I am sure you are better armed to win a game of blackjack with multiple decks than with one that will be shorted 2 of the four aces. Profits will be down from the systems true potential for peaks sales in the market and that is just the plain truth. I hope this is not the issue b/c i would never own a xbox 360 if i could not play halo 2. I play H2 with friends and it is truely a great game.

gonna have to get one cant wait

It says that it can access the internet and email. I wanna see the new era of xbox viruses.

i agree i do not own an xbox but this time i am thinking of getting one if its not backwords compatable how will i learn about halo and halo 2----now if its not backword i dont think i will buy

Holy crap, this things more powerfull than my PC. Why doesnt microsoft make it compatible with windows games? +who cares about backwards comapatible? this is afterdawn, the people who read this will know that the xbox 360 WILL get cracked(i.e a modchip will be made) which will result in a xbox emulator being programed anyway +USB 2.0=we will be able to use USB based video capture devices, which means WHEN we get linux onto it we can RECORD TV

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+who cares about backwards comapatible? this is afterdawn, the people who read this will know that the xbox 360 WILL get cracked(i.e a modchip will be made) which will result in a xbox emulator being programed anyway

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Although the specs seem pretty impressive on first glance, they are far behind the technology driving the PS3 development. My prediction is that the Xbox sales will be very poor. In the last release of the two consoles, Xbox was ahead of PS2 in terms of technology, but PS2 prevailed in sales because of a higher level of playability, functionality, more games and lack of an extremely gay controller. Xbox owners usually purchased their system as an 'all-in-one' entertainment unit, but it comes down to gaming, plain and simple. In the last release, Xbox consoles had wetdreams at night about PS2's out there, and this will be the same thing all over again. The only difference is that PS3 now has the lead technologically, making this next release of Xbox the last one. Gates isn't going to continue losing money over his stupid little box pet project. My 2 cents!

Did you see what it says about Downloading on this new Console, ALL OF DOWNLOADS will be FREE (Yes FREE).... free Movies, Demos / Trailers..... free Updates / Levels..e.t.c...... Sounds Awesome, Hopefully Bug Free!!!!

it doesnt say every single download wil be free ya frube. only the crap stuff will be free probably. everything else is done with 'micro-payments'. Dan x

Free Xbox live! not bad eh???

so with free xbox live you can play games online? just download stuff? wtf

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Features for Gold service (S) Also for Silver (O) Also for Offline -Seamless transition to Xbox Live account from Xbox to Xbox 360 -Access to MMOs (additional fees may apply) (S) -Free Xbox Live weekends (S) -Multi player online game play

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lcarbutt man come on it does not take a genious to figure out this is all about money. All about the benjamins baby and if not backwards compatable then some profits will be lost for microsoft that could have been a sure sale. You are just looking at the small picture; open up your eyes if you are going to make a machine to compete with sony you had better come correct or get a smoked like microsoft did in round one.

You have to look further than just playing your games for tomorrow. If you want to win they need backwards compatablity to keep the system in the face for the long run, I am talking about 2 or 3 years later. Not just oh, let me play this game now and dont worry about tomorrow.

exactly how far ahead is the PS3's technology suppose to be compared the the xbox 360??

Its the Xbox didnt like the first one maybe because its microsoft maybe because its always got green or maybe its the crappy controller i dont know about you ppl but to me sony came up with the best idea for a controller and i hope they dont change it. As for games nothing on the xbox made me want to buy one. Halo heh I like to call it doom or halflife so whats was so good about? Not a damn thing its the same old same old. If i wanted a to have a harddrive and download patches well then ill just stick with my pc.

"Backwards compatible is just a smart way to do business." not if your M$, they rebuild every version, so you are forced to buy the new thing, even to run old data. That is the smart way to do business, it is also pretty damn heabin'. That is the way they have all there products set up, countless examples through out all there product, even enterprise software. "Sounds Awesome, Hopefully Bug Free!!!!" yeah bug free once you reverse engineer it. you can count on bugs considering it will most likely run a stripped version of windows, and a partially functional version of .net "If i wanted a to have a harddrive and download patches well then ill just stick with my pc." Despite the fact this sentence makes no sense, it does deserve a response. You can count on that, considering it is just another one of M$'s ploy on the GPU/console market, and it will fail miserably, but still make a shitload of $$$. Only M$ can fail miserably and still make money, hmm sounds kinda like a drug dealer to me. uh yeah stick with your PC, in fact put linux on ur PC and get a MAC.

Guys, come on...enough with backwards compatibility. Seriously, you gotta think about cost efficiency and sacrifice. Have you all forgotten about what happened to the PS2 when they finally decided to go with it? No network adapter built in, only 2 controller ports, they even gave up hardware for anti-aliasing just to keep the overall price of the system down. Imagine what it would have cost at launch if they had kept the features they should have, when now you can get a PSOne for mere pocket change. Even Nintendo has decided that enough is enough. They pulled support for the hundreds of GB/GBC games the add new hardware capabilities for the DS. And Nintendo is the king of backward compatibility. If Microsoft goes with this technology, you can bet your ass that something has got to go. And I, myself, would rather see the system at it's FULL potential, not some watered down version of what could have been. Pretty soon, Xboxes will go down to $99, then lower...and we'll be looking back, thinking "...man, I can't beleive I spent 300 bucks for one of these just a few years ago, and now they're this cheap!" Spend $15-$20 on a real good system, selecter and keep your old Xbox sitting right next to it's big brother for old times sake, novelty, or even a trip back to Ninja Gaiden on one of those boring nights when none of you friends are on Xbox Live.

You're a moron if you think Sony one this round! Xbox is on top. Most of the companies that backed Sony have jumped ship and are supporting Xbox 360 (MTV anyone?) And not to mention the capabilites of the two systems...come on guys...you know there's a bit of jealousy when you see Ninja Gaiden, Doom 3 and Halo2...all those commercials...just mocking your pretty little PS2 :( And I'm not saying numbers mean nothing, but they don't mean everything...just look at the numbers now, compared to 1 year ago. Who's on top? You gotta be a PS2 fanboy to think that Sony has the upper hand, I mean jease, they've already turn into a new direction...they're trying their luck at the handheld market and that's the beginning of the end my friend. Sony's only "big gun" when they first showed up on the video game market was MONEY! and they had their claws into every type of electronics imaginable. They had more money than Nintendo, Sega & 3DO combined. They stormed the market, bought up all the best 3rd party developers and stuffed their sell-out asses with large sums of cash to make PSX exclusive titles and killed Sega & Nintendo, and now there's a bigger boy on the block with more MONEY than any other company on the face of the planet! I mean come on, Microsoft is actually getting sued for having too much money lol! And we all get to watch Sony (and it's punk fanboys) go straight down the toilet...slowly. Life is good.

Ummm... Sega and Nintendo aren't dead dude... Sega are probably doing better now than ever, being one of the "best 3rd party developers" you mention. And Nintendo have a very firm grasp on their niche market, along with massive profit margins from in-house game development. Neither are dead, both have very good prospects for the future too. Who cares who has the better hardware... I'm not going to buy into either PS3 or Xbox360 for at least 6 months after they're released until one or the other has a decent line up of games. The upcoming Nintendo console though... That could be interesting in terms of the new things it may be capable of, raw processing power isn't everything boys.

uhh I think M$ ownz sega, or at least, has it tied up in the basement. That is why all the good Sega games are gone. sonys hold in the console market will never die out, there is actually have more titles for PS2 than XBOX. Three good titles on XBOX doesn't warrant a market takeover. sonys turn to the handheld market is genious, no smartfone can touch it, they just need to come out with some peripherals and its as good as gold. Im more excited about PS3, xbox 360, is more like a 90, I'm not going to pay more for 3 new titles and some fluff, I'd rather buy a real computer than some M$ gimped pixel pusher, like the xbox.

This is very interesting. I am a PS2 fan. SOny has the "branded for life tag" on me, and after reading so many reports suggesting the PS3 would be so much better/ advanced than the 360 I thought for sure I would be going for the PS3, and not even take a look at the 360. Im not so sure anymore however. Maybe its because I see the 3 symetrical core layout running at 3.2g, and I dont really understand the cell concept, maybe its because I'm looking at the downloadable movies, and games, or the media stream FOR FREE, or just the flat out capablilty to play RW games (3 USB 2.0 ports, removable 20G hd, WiFi). I dunno, I really wish SOny wouldn't be so secretive or Im gonna be jumping the gun on the 05-06 gaming units.

Yeah, its got lots of juice! But will Microripp-off support it? They have enough problems with the power cord replacement program, they told me my address did'nt exsist because my postal code ( zip code for my american brothers) would'nt be accepted! Get what you want but just remember when MS screws you. But it does have alot of JUICE!!!! LOL

Heh if I wanna play doom3 ill fire it up on the pc if i wanted to playonline ill play on my pc fps games and controllers dont mix. Its not about the hardware its all about the software and thats were sony rules. Plus its microsoft I think I support them enough. MS will ruin the industry and there already doing it by shortening the life span on systems now. What happend to a system that just plays games? If i wanna download crap ill do it on my computer.

Is microsoft making a game console or a computer that's PRETENDING to be a game console? Wow! DVD CD writers and hard drives! People will be right at home! A way to pirate games WITHOUT the use of a home computer! Pay $65.00 for a modchip, $20.00 for a pro to solder it in (unless you do it yourself) and someone will write a program that'll copy an XBOX 360 game to the hard drive and write it to a disc for you! No worrying about where files go or how to burn it. Yay! Microsoft is PRACTICALLY providing pirates every tool possible to pirate their software ALL in their own console! I dunno about this.

Maybe its just because im from the oldschool ...but this comment seems very accurate... "MS will ruin the industry and there already doing it by shortening the life span on systems now. What happend to a system that just plays games? If i wanna download crap ill do it on my computer." I love the thought of a sysytem becoming more advanced but qat what cost...

I'll just wait and be patient for: <image>http://www.jrbtech.com/media/ps3.jpg</image>

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I agree with atariborn. I remember having sega cd when sony was just do game production. When they pulled the plug on sega and bought up all of the quality game makers sega and nintedo were screwed, although only temporarily. When was the last time you saw a new sega console? 2000? As for Nintendo, their current line up of games for game cube is directed, for the most part, toward younger players, not the adult market. I hope nintendo is waiting, developing a true gaming system that will be far superior to either system. As for which system will win round 2, you can't be to sure. This time around Xbox360 WILL be released first. It is supposed to come out around November. I think that will give a small boost in sales over Sony. I also believe that M$, having now been in the console market for some time, have new aliances they didn't have the first time around. The fact that they are publicly airing the unveiling on MTV says something too. I believe this is one of the best moves they could have made. The coin has flipped. The technologically slower system is once again coming out first, only this time it's the 360. One last note for those of a supersticious nature. Here is a list of great console maker who began making handheld systems and then failed to again make a highly profitable console. Atari Lynx NEO GEO Pocket Sega Game Gear Nintendo (although the entire Gameboy series is a success, Nintendo has seen only marginal profits from consoles since the end of the reign of the SNES) By the way I already smacked down my $50 deposit for The Xbox 360. I personally have always like xbox's format and controller better. Of course I do have larger than normal hands that seem to smother a PS2 controller. I will also be using it to replace my aging dvd player.

Nothing wrong with being old school its the truth woo hoo their unveiling it on MTV who watches it anyways why dont they change it to RTV instead meaning Reality T.V. they lost there way along time ago. I mean come on its Bill Gates you already give him enough money anyways. Like a bunch of developers said MS entering the console business is gonna be a bad thing for the industry. If you wanna access the internet on your tv go buy a ati all in wonder or something come on people wake up!

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You're a moron if you think Sony one this round! Xbox is on top.

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Most of the companies that backed Sony have jumped ship and are supporting Xbox 360 (MTV anyone?)

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And not to mention the capabilites of the two systems...come on guys...you know there's a bit of jealousy when you see Ninja Gaiden, Doom 3 and Halo2...all those commercials...just mocking your pretty little PS2 :(

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And I'm not saying numbers mean nothing, but they don't mean everything...just look at the numbers now, compared to 1 year ago. Who's on top?

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You gotta be a PS2 fanboy to think that Sony has the upper hand

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AtariBorn, DUUHHH!!!!!! You must me the only moron here if you think microsoft didnot get the run over by a mack truck by sony when it comes to video game industry. Before you hate and run your mouth, how bout you do some researching on the net and see that there are about 25 million PS2 owners and only around 9 million XBOX owners. Man that is like a open book text since all the info is here on the net and your dumm @@@ still failed the test. Microsoft got beat down in round one whether you are man enough to admitt it or not. Why dont you go ahead and look it up yourself. Or are you scared to actually see the sales and profits numbers.

Also if sony's biggest gun was money when the first stepped on the seen, which is not true, then why was not microsoft able to do the exact same thing sony did when they made their debute the first year and lost millions and millions of dollars. Microsoft did not get sued for having too much money, they got sued for having a monopoly concerning the programming for the pc's. They just recently this past year pulled away from nintendo to claim a definite second place in profits and sales. Look it up man, i am not just running my mouth here.

Maybe atariborn is mentally challenged and he cant read the articles concerning the money sony made compared to the profits microsoft received from the xbox. Maybe i should not be ripping him like this..... Man naw, who cares. Round 1, FIGHT!! Finish him!!!!! Fatality!!!!! SONY WINS!!!!! HA HA

I think it's pretty simple why playstation has done better. Experience in the console gaming industry and alrerady having ties to game companies. They came out with the PS2 first. Despite the poor quality in comparison with the xbox, it had titles before it came out. That was the winning factor for Sony. Having a large list of playable titles is key to winning. That having been said, the xbox 360 will have many more titles ready for launch with the system unlike before. Remember when you see the figure sold, your typically only looking at the U.S. market figures. When I was living in South Korea I barely ever saw a PS2. It was all about xbox and modding the xbox. There were stores that actually sold nothing but modded xbox's with games already loadedd on the HDD. If you cannot realize that sony has "bought" the larger original gaming studios then you are blind. This is the truest disadvantage of Xbox. This is starting to change gradually. Which system you are a fan of is also going to be based on your style of gaming. Both companies systems will be around for a long time, in upgraded and modded forms. Obviously M$ wouldn't keep making it if they weren't turning a profit. It all comes down to you and what youlike best. By the way there "Ixhotboy", learn how to spell. It's scene not seen. You should spend less time insulting people and more time educating yourself on the english language. "Maybe i should not be ripping him like this..... Man naw, who cares. Round 1, FIGHT!! Finish him!!!!! Fatality!!!!!" That is some lame $#!+. Not all of us sit around all day playing fighting and Japanese warrior games, which seems to be mostly what PS2 offers. None of this matters anyway. We all just have to wait and see like the rest of the world.

I love it how people are flaming like crazy over this system and the ps3. so lets examine this: 1. is it all about the gaming? Yes and No. If you are a hard core gamer then yes obviously, but in the eyes of M$, this is not JUST a gaming system. This is going to be a fully intergrated home entertainment system that will not only allow you to play games, but video chat, instant message, play dvds, import you mp3 files from your pc or ipod, compatbale with "longhorn", and so on. So this system is not all about gaming. 2. It is not going to have enough games if it is not backwards compatable. at launch it is going to have 10-16 titles available, about 40 within 6 months, and halo 3 within a year. This is very typical with any lauch system, it was the same with xbox 1, ps1 and Ps2, and all the nintendo systems, so quite bitchin! btw, the reason there are always low title amounts is because the delevoplers are still working with their capiblitlies. 3. Sony has already a huge stronghold on the gaming industry and will not have a problem with the xbox 360. Well think about it, how long after the lauch of ps2 did the xbox come out? If im not mistaken it was almost 2 YEARS LATER, of course sony are going to have a bigger fan base if most hard core gamers are already attached to their systems. This is why M$ wants to be the first one out with a system, so they could get gamers to be "xbox committed" Not to mention, most of the game developers are leaning towards the xbox 360 over the ps3

Here we go with the damn green again. Why do I want a game machine that looks like my pc? They could of had the balls to mention PS2 in their time line there but no. Its a pc diguised as a game machine thats it and thats all.

I'm tired of hearing "quit putting a pc in a console" What the hell did you think would happen? It's just the natural evolution of the machines! It cost me over a grand to put together my pc in order to run the way I wanted. Why would I still play my Xbox you say? Because I have an office where my computer sits. I handle buisness, check email, balance my checkbook, and all sorts of other crap along with games. I prefer games like warcraft on my PC. My Xbox is my game and music machine for the living room. I play almost all other formats on my xbox. When I get my 360 it will replace my dvd player too.

is the xbox 360 backwards compatible with xbox or no information yet

First off, about the mentally challenged part, I just want you to know, I don't get too offended by imature people, so I'll just let that go. I forgive you. You act like I don't know what I'm talking about, but I was on the other end man. I was one of the Sega fans at the time...and yeah it pissed me off that Sony cut Sega's throat by fronting $$$ to the good game companies, but I dealt with it. I was also a little pissed at Sega's marketing dept., who seemed to just sit on there asses. I could count how many Sega commercials I can remember seeing on 1 hand. But I still threw alot of money and time into a machine, that because of Sony's marketing ploy, caused that system to die. It affected me DIRECTLY. Not to mention all the other fans out there that went through the same thing. I'm sure there were a couple guys who were pissed when they found out the 64DD was being canceled by Nintendo. There's no way you can convince me what Sony did wasn't sleezy...the went straight to the sources, and cut off Sega and Nintendo...but they could deal with it, they've recovered since. But WE, the consumers, suffered. All the really good titles were few and far between after that, and I'm here to tell you it sucked! I'm sure it was no big deal to all the Playstation fans out there who were reapiong all the goods. And about you little "number cruching", I wasn't referring to who had the most units sold, that's stupid man...the PS2 had a huge jump over Xbox, come on, I'm not that stupid and I hope you're not either. If you wanna go soley on sales, I'm sure the gameboy would put the PS2 to shame. You do the numbers. I just think it's time someone put Sony in there place, and if it means choosing the lesser of two evils...I'm gonna put my money in the Xbox. My opinion of Sony is MY opinion, and I'm entitled to it just as you are. I'm sorry if you think there is such a thing as a wrong opinion, that's a problem you're going to have to deal with on your own.

Oh and by the way, about all this whining about "Keep the PC out of my console" and "Why do they wanna make the console a PC" and "Why do they want the Xbox to be a PC" Think about it...who decided to make their console stand up straight like a PC tower....eh...eh? Oh and what about... !!!SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM!!! I thought it was a VIDEO GAME SYSTEM...lol gimme a break. If you guys are gonna complain, make sure it's valid first.

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First off, about the mentally challenged part, I just want you to know, I don't get too offended by imature people, so I'll just let that go. I forgive you.

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I kinda of figured the mtv unveiling would suck, and it did. It didnt say anything about the system, but hey what do you expect with mtv. if you want a much better unveiling video go here -> http://msxb.wmod.llnwd.net/a274/o2/ourcolony/TheColony_v1_750k.wmv This preview actually talks about the specs of the machine. here is a cool tibit from the video, the 360 is water-cooled! take a look I think you think it is much better than the mtv video

I feel what you are saying atariborn about sony but why was not microsoft able to do the smae thing b/c they have more money than anyone. Also when i was number crunching i was really referring to the total profits of sony compared to the others in the video game industry. You could put all of xbox profits (Systems, games, joysticks, other accessories) and add all of nintendo (gameboy consoles included) and still not come up with the profits in money that sony made in the gaming industry. That is why everyone says sony is on top.

Also you should get over the sega and nintendo thing man. this is a free country and a free market.

I wonder how much Microsoft paid Frodo their to do that special. heh

You probably think I should sell off all my old games & systems too. Not gonna happen. I'm in it for the games, not the popularity. That's the difference between a hardcore gamer and a fanboy. Has anyone noticed that Namco resides in Sony's pocket...Xbox/Gamecube owners are getting screwed over with Soul Calibur 3. PS2 exclusive? What the hell? Knowing damn well there would be endless possibilities and no load time on the better systems. Perfect example on how Sony's marketing ethics are effecting anyone who doesn't choose to bow down to them and keep feeding the monster! And yes, I do own a couple PS2 consoles, but only for the (few) good games, not because all my friends have one. The biggest problem "some" people have is admitting the capabilites of any system not bearing the SONY logo. So they get offended...for some reason. There are so many people bragging on how the PS3 is gonna smoke the 360, you guys don't even know for sure what Sony's gonna stick you with, you just assume it's gonna be good, and even if it's not that great, you will still say it is. Semper fi! (More like Semper idem!) Just remember to save your money for the launch date...you're gonna need it for some overpriced memory cards.For some reason, Sony beleives hard drives are way to precious to give away. Just another way to keep you coming back with more cash. I'm not trying to change your minds, cause it's not gonna happen...just putting in my 2 cents.

So quit taking it as a personal attack. My beef is not with you, it's with someone who actually bothers me. just thought someone might want to here the another side, besides everyone whining about the new "non-Sony" system.

man i dont have beef with you. You just say things that dont make any sense like you in it for the games. IF that were true you would have a ps2 and not x box. Xbox library of games is the reason they cant win against sony and that is with a more powerful system.

No one has a problem with saying xbox is the king of systems. Everyone knows that. The problem is when people say anything that is true about microsoft it seems to offend people like atariborn and then you go to telling lies like microsoft is on top. Then you whine all the durn time about sony stole all the games from sega, nintendo, and microsoft. Man dont nobody want to hear that. If i can admitt that xbox is the better of the systems so far as power then why cant you bow down to the truth that still it does not have the games that make the system thrive in competition.

I think this whole ms, sony thing is over rated. I mean about 80% of gamers are loyal to there respective consoles. I doesnt matter which is more powerful or which one has the better games. Most gamers wont change brands even if it means life or death. I would say maybe 10% would change, might be higher might be lower. Im 30 years old and up until 2 years ago i was all about sony, but when xbox and xbox live came out i switched. Just my personel preference. I know alot of people who changed to just because of xbox live, built alot of online friendships with people all over the world, and we wont change just for that fact. But i also know people who love sony and wont change no matter what, and i repect that. What im trying to say the majority of gamers are loyal to their respective brands and wont change reguardless of power, games, backward compatibility, online play, price, nothing. So unfortunatly being a loyal xbox and xbox live fan, i think when sony ps3 comes out they will endup on top. I think that is just the way it is going to be. Thats just what happends when you start a gameing franchise 12 years after sony.

I hate it when people talk about the size of the xbox game gallery. I mean how many people can afford all the games anyway. xbox still has hundreds of games and Im sure no one here has hundreds of games of either system. It shouldnt come down to how many games a systems has, it should be about the quality of the games. Remember the old adage, "Its not quanity, it quality." Most of the good games that are available on both systems anyway (i.e. Madden, Tiger Woods, Tony Hawk, Splinter Cell, etc.) So what it really comes down to, who has the better exclusive games. Xbox Exclusive Games: Halo 1 & 2, , Doom 3, DOA, Ninja Gaidan, Project Gothom Racing, Mech Assult, OdWorld, Crimsom Skies, Sheumue, Links, Top Spin, Counter Strike, Fable, Forza Motorsports, Full Spectrum Warrior, Conker, MotoGP, Republic Comando, and about 85 more. PS2 Exclusive Games: Devil My Cry, GTA (exclusive Launch only), Gran Turmiso, Soul Calibur III (just added), Cold Winter, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Jak & Dax, Metal Gear, Rachet & Clank, Resident Evil, SOCOM, Twisted Metal, and 85 more. Now both have about the same amount of exclusive games, it is just a matter of what you like better. Also, the xbox has a more powerful system with more defined graphics output. Not to mention Xbox has Xbox Live, which blows away ps2 online play. So Based on that, xbox should be on top. Just because PS2 has more owners and players, it doesnt mean it is a better system. who cares if they have more players and owners, you are not going to be playing with them anyway, so what does that matter in which is better. The Xbox althoug with less than have of the ownership than the PS2, has far more players online, which is more relative to how many players there are. So in terms of players to play with Xbox is far better and has more players. The one thing I think PS2 has over the xbox is the controller. it is better laid out, although the 360 is going somewhat replicate the ps2 controller. But now that Im a Xbox person, the s-controller has really grown on me. That being said, I was a huge PS2 person and never gave the xbox a chance until I started modding my friends Xbox and got to get familiar with the system and I started to change my alligence. Now my PS2 just collects dust. BTW, Everything I listed above has nothing to do with modding, if modding was part of the arguement, PS2 has no chance against the xbox.

Actually, if you check the other recent XBox 360 news article you'll notice the new controller looks about the same as the old XBox controller as far as its layout and IMO awkwardness. Keep in mind, too, that the Final Fantasy you mentioned there is a whole series that consists of (correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not sure exactly how many have been released with Tactics and all) 14 titles or so. I do agree with you that quality is more important than quantity though, but IMHO I don't see a whole lot of quality in the XBox game library yet.

Hey lxhotboy, I just said I own 2 PS2's. Read the entire posts before responding. And I am in it for the games, I own... 3 Xboxes 2 PS2's Gamecube/Gameboy Player Snes/Super Gameboy NES Gensis/32X/SegaCD model 1 Atari 2600 Coleco Vision/Atari Module 1 Atari Jaguar/Jaglink (Just no AVP yet) 3 Sega Saturns 2 Gamegears Nomad 2 Dreamcasts Neo Geo Pocket Color PSP N64 And I'm sure you don't ant the game list. Wanna pic? lol

Oops, 2 Jaguar...typo.

So... what?

wasn't talkin to you smart ass

Geez, maybe the reason people attack your opinions is because it's fun to see you snap at them.

Dude, you know from the post above, I wasn't talking to you. I was proving a point to lxhotboy. You started talking trash when I originally posted. And that's why you just posted "So...what?" And why you posted "A comment like this kinda just comes right back at you... " earlier. I'm not snapping on anyone, you're just looking for a reason to ridicule me becasue I don't share the same opinion as you. If you don't want me talking to direct anything at you, then don't flame me. Just let it go, the subject is over.

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And IMHHHO, "You're a moron if you think Sony one this round!", "You gotta be a PS2 fanboy to think that Sony has the upper hand", and "And we all get to watch Sony (and it's punk fanboys) go straight down the toilet" all seem a bit more "trash"-y than "So... what?" and "A comment like this kinda just comes right back at you...". I suppose it would be just as easy to say you're ridiculing my opinion because it doesn't agree with yours. The next XBox looks like a fine piece of hardware, and I wouldn't think any less of someone for going out and buying one. If it weren't for peoples' differences in opinion, one company would completely monopolize the market and then we'd all be paying $1,000 for the only console out there. There's nothing wrong with having different opinions, but in the process of voicing ours, there's no need to attack everyone else's. Anyway this has drifted off-topic, so I'll shut up now.

good

Yeah dude that nothing - I have: 30 Xboxes 20 PS2's 10 Gamecube/Gameboy Player 10 Snes/Super Gameboy 10 NES 10 Gensis/32X/SegaCD model 1 10 Atari 2600 10 Coleco Vision/Atari Module 10 Atari Jaguar/Jaglink (Just no AVP yet) 10 Sega Saturns 20 Gamegears 10Nomad 20 Dreamcasts 10 Neo Geo Pocket Color 10 PSP 10 N64 Looks like I'm ten times the loser that you are!!!

Should be 30 Sega Saturns. ;D

Quick question, Why does it matter how many systems you have? It almost sounds like a guy saying he is more of man depending on the size of his Dong! LOL

Obviously, you missed the point. And I've grown bored with you morons. Later

LMAO, holy crap its funny seeing someone flame out!

Very much so. :D Maybe now us "morons" can carry on a civil discussion.

Yeah guys, lets's be civil for a change. Shit - I gotta run - gotta pickup another 30 Xbox's!!

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As impressive as Microsoft's new device appears to be, unfortunately, it will not be able to stand up against the PS3. Sony's use of the blu-ray disc will totally crush Microsoft's effort (Sorry Billy Boy). Therefore, I will not be buying an Xbox 360. I'll just be content with my Xbox and PC and hold out until Sony releases its new much more advanced system.

if you want the specs on both Machines go here -> http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/190679

Well well well; while we are are talkint civil here I just got to say this and i know i am going to stir some commotion but man i tried to tell them boys. Xboc 360 is over, through finished, done, stick a fork in her cause she is well done. PS3 specs have been officially unveiled and it is more than 2 times more powerful than the xbox next. IF MS have problems with sony though their symtem was sliiiiightly more powerful, what are they going to do now that they would have to hook two xbox 360 together to even come close to the ps3 capabilities. Long live the king. SONY.

shut up little fanboy.

We came here to read about the xbox 360 specs not hear a little fanboy whine how his system is better. Get a life.

=>We came here to read about the xbox 360 specs not hear a little fanboy whine how his system is better. Get a life. <= wah, wah, wahhhhhh.

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OH do you need a diaper and a wipe to go with all your crying. Lol lol. I am talking about the 360 and it should be called the 170 because it is not even half the system ps3 is.

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Dude, the dreamcast had the best game off all time. Phantasy Star Online 1 & 2. Well, the xbox has them aswell, and nintendo has it too. But originally, dreamcast had it and it rocked.

SONY SUCKS SO BAD!

Ha! the Dreamcast, I can remember being stunned that a game that looked as good as Soul Calibur was on a console back then. And yes, Phantasy Star Online did kick ass!

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Sony doesn't suck, it's just isn't as good as xbox... here's the xbox360 live facts The controller, the camera, the headset, the camera, and even the console itself...there have been a lot of Xbox 360 leaks so far. Now, it seems a full list of Xbox 360 specs and Xbox Live details has been leaked. This list comes from a thread on the Team Xbox forums (the thread has since been deleted), and the TXB poster originally got it from another un-named forum. 2 types of Xbox Live: Xbox Live Silver (no subscription required) Xbox Live Gold (subscription benefits) Features for Gold service (S) Also for Silver (O) Also for Offline - Seamless transition to Xbox Live account from Xbox to Xbox 360 - Access to MMOs (additional fees may apply) (S) - Free Xbox Live weekends (S) - Multiplayer online gameplay - Avatar for gamer profile(S)(O) - Motto for gamer profile (S)(O) - Personalized look for Xbox System Guide (S)(O) - Offline achievments (S)(O) - Online achievements (S) - Access to other players' Gamer cards via Live (S) - Cumulative gamer score (S)(O) - Location/language profile (S)(O) - Reputation (S) - Enahnced matchmaking using above - Skill level matchmaking - Gameplay style profile (casual, competitive, etc.) - Recent players list (S) - Free and premium download game content(S) - Free and premium downloadable movies, music, tv (S) - Downloadable demos/trailers (S) - Microtransactions (S) - Custom playlist in every game (S)(O) - Play music from portable devices (S)(O) - View images from digital camera (S)(O) - Strem media from Windows XP (S)(O) - Interactive screen savers (S)(O) - Track info for CDs (S) (O) - Communication with voice, video or text (S) The Hardware: 1. Support for DVD-video, DVD-Rom, DVD-R/RW, CD-DA, CD-Rom, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 cd, JPEG photo CD 2. All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing 3. Customizable face plates to change appearance 4. 3 USB 2.0 ports 5. Support for 4 wireless controllers 6. Detachable 20GB drive 7. Wi-Fi ready Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU - 3 symmetrical cores at 3.2 GHz each - 2 hardware threads per core - 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core - 1 MB L2 cache CPU Game Math Performance - 9 billion dots per second Custom ATI Graphics Processor - 500 MNz - 10 MB embedded DRAM - 48-way parallel floating-point shader pipelines - unified shader architecture Memory -512 MB GDDR3 RAM - 700 MNz DDR Memory Bandwidth - 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth - 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM - 21.6 GB/s frontside bus Audio - Mulitchannel surround sond output - Supports 48khz 16-bit audio - 320 independent decompression channels - 32 bit processing - 256+ audio channels To sum up the important stuff regarding XBL: There will be two versions of Xbox Live. Silver is free (everyone gets it), and Gold is a paid subscription, like the current XBL. It looks like Xbox Live will be free on the weekends for everyone; Gold members will get it all the time, obviously. Current Xbox Live accounts will carry over to the 360 and become Gold Xbox Live accounts. Both Gold and Silver members will be able to download demos, trailers, and other content through XBL. This info seems pretty legit, and some insiders have confirmed that this is indeed a real leak.

Thank you, Thank you.

Looks like the console makers want to put a dagger in the back of home pc manufacturers.I got both so it dont matter.