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I said elsewhere that this is God's revenge for them f*cking about & taking the pi*s with that BS about Manchester Cathedral.
They apologised so it may be limited.
Kidding aside, wow, just what neither BD nor the PS3 needed right now.
It'll be interesting to see just how widespread this is.
Even if it's not the perception of major trouble could do a hell of a lot of damage.
I think they just forgot to advertise another part of Blu's DRM... open the package and you begin the "rental period", after which your disc becomes unplayable without the purchase of another license, aka disc :)
It's still early in Blu-Ray's life; as such I bet this problem is related to the printing plants not properly printing the DVD. They'll get the kinks worked out.
The problem isn't widespread so its probably just some (really) bad pressed disks.
If this was more common among Blu-ray disks then yeah I would agree with akaangus and say its the other DRM Sony has not mentioned yet. :-p
I wonder if something like this has also happended to DVDs earlier in their life or even in the other competitor, HD DVD.
PeaInAPod and Pop_Smith have good points.
HD-DVD had playback problems with some copies of Children of Men and The Good Shepherd:
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9229.cfm
The good thing is both sides are doing something to rectify the problem and are replacing the defective discs.
Damn it! Sure enough, there are pits in two discs. One of them I've never even watched. Just like the early DVDs had, only worse. I bought both formats, so I still have one of each that's playable, but I paid a lot of money for these collector's boxes. There is NO excuse for this. Did they learn nothing from DVDs? Settles it for me. No more middle of the road. From now on, if it isn't on HD DVD, I don't buy it.
Originally posted by rihgt682:Blu Ray Rules because it is SONY. and has a bigger capacity...feel ripped off with HD DVD capacity.
HD-DVD Rule just cause it's not sony's
Yeah but capacity isn't an issue as no current titles today even fill up the disc. If they did menus,special features, and extra audio tracks wouldn't exist.
Not true. The Black Hawk Down release saw 49 gigs worth on Blu-ray.
What I am saying is that 49 Gbs was not just for the movie and the audio track corresponding to its release region. I bet that included " __ # of hours of extras footage", 5 additional Dolby HD audio tracks, and who knows how big those interactive menus get. I am saying Blu-Ray's capacity is a moot point because no movie(not the extras, and not the commentary, but the actual featured film) actually uses the full capacity of Blu-Ray's disc, same goes for HD. Sure the movie studios may use a discs full capacity but that full 49 Gb disc is including extras thats not just the movie.
yeah a good point but people buy movies for extras and stuff like that now days. Just like cars with dvd players as long as the kids sit down and shut up they will buy it. Even if it gets 20 MPG or 50 MPG. I have to say on the Cars dvd they used some of that space for a short "film". Im sure many other dvd as well a next-gen media will use this space now that they have the option.
Originally posted by PeaInAPod:Not really because if you look at the trailers & Extra's most Blu-ray there are not done in High-def.High-def take alot of space in that case if it didn't then there would be not need for a bigger disc they would be still using DVD-9.Audio is a space hog on any HD-format.Extra's & Trailers play little in to most high-def video's because there are not done in High-def on Blu-ray
What I am saying is that 49 Gbs was not just for the movie and the audio track corresponding to its release region. I bet that included " __ # of hours of extras footage", 5 additional Dolby HD audio tracks, and who knows how big those interactive menus get. I am saying Blu-Ray's capacity is a moot point because no movie(not the extras, and not the commentary, but the actual featured film) actually uses the full capacity of Blu-Ray's disc, same goes for HD. Sure the movie studios may use a discs full capacity but that full 49 Gb disc is including extras thats not just the movie.
I believe a good portion of the space in Blu-ray is used as DRM. And well, this seems real funny to hear now considering Sony was being sued on infringing some company's special coating or materials used on their Blu-ray disc recently.
Edit: I just removed the quotes I used
Anyone who wants to know how much actual movie is taken up on the disc can easily see with a straight BD-rip.
The vast majority are 24gb and under with one or two at 40gb
(Black Hawk Down for instance is 42.50gb with English PCM 5.1 Surround; English Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround; French Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround;
Subtitles/Captions - English SDH; English Subtitles, French Subtitles, Spanish Subtitles, Portuguese Subtitles, Chinese Subtitles, Korean Subtitles & Thai Subtitles.
It also 3 Audio Commentaries & a documentary.
Basically a ton of 'extra' cr@p other than the movie which would come in at well under 40gb without it,
It certainly does not 'need' a 50gb capacity disc.
I'd lay money on it that the same thing would fit on a dual layer 30gb HD DVD disc with VC-1 encoding, easily.
Even without VC-1 encoding or any changes I'd say it looks like it would probably fit on the new 17gb per layer dual layer 34gb HD DVD disc that is coming soon.
Of course clunky & "dead" (according to Steve Jobs) Java is also a space-hungry element HD DVD happily does without.
But as Paramount & Warner's dual format releases show, with a modern & efficient codec like VC-1 you just don't need all that size - or transfer rate for that matter.
The truth is it was only there to allow Sony to continue collecting royalties on the ancient, almost 20yr old, MPEG2 codec which needed that size & transfer rate to try to look in any way half decent......and usually failed to anyways, the list of poor transfers is almost all BD and in large part thanks to MPEG2.
It's so bad in fact that Sony now claim they will re-release the worst titles to correct their error(s) - wow, after how many months? That's assuming they actually do & it's not just quietly forgotten.
But to return to topic.......
The stuff we're seeing on those discs looks like oxidisation of some kind, I've heard laser disc had that at one point so it may easily be resolved......their problem at this stage is how widespread is it and how badly will it affect their brand as news of this spreads.
Quote:That is totally not true.That was a issue with the First Gen Blu-ray titles like Underworld.2 & House of flying daggers it was only like 5 titles that looked horror able.But til this Date Crank which is mpeg2 still hold the highest mark as the best picture on Blu-ray.Hughjars stop spreading these lies on here you don't own any Blu-ray movies so how would you know?????You don't, only what everyone say thats what all your Misleading info be based on.
The truth is it was only there to allow Sony to continue collecting royalties on the ancient, almost 20yr old, MPEG2 codec which needed that size & transfer rate to try to look in any way half decent......and usually failed to anyways, the list of poor transfers is almost all BD and in large part thanks to MPEG2.
Quote:Lol, you can never be sure when it comes to sony. If only sony would care about their customers as much as their money.
I think they just forgot to advertise another part of Blu's DRM... open the package and you begin the "rental period", after which your disc becomes unplayable without the purchase of another license, aka disc :)
Originally posted by Nextgen76:
Hughjars stop spreading these lies on here
Originally posted by Nextgen76:- Well, stickly speaking that's not entirely true.
you don't own any Blu-ray movies so how would you know????
Originally posted by Nextgen76:- I have friends with BD players, k?
You don't, only what everyone say thats what all your Misleading info be based on.
Blu-ray is the Wave of the Future! woohoo (sarcasm for those of you without a brain)
Maybe Blu-ray disc are made of Blue Cheese and are supposed to Rot for that enhanced flavor.
reason number 193,863,0181 to not buy ANYTHING you cant get for free online. the time of respecting companies that dont respect the consumer is over, capitalism is a joke if you start out on the bottom.
Originally posted by rihgt682:
HD-DVD Rule just cause it's not sony's
I would love too see BD beat HD-DVD just because but thats not what this topic is it's the rot that worries me what if they really haven't made the disc that good this time around.
What it's really only the first Generation and almost everyone just got into the regular DVD's and I am kind of made about this format I just got use too having dvds and burning them and all.
I would like too know when they tv shows wil they put the whole season on 1 disk because they will be able too now or at least I think you could instead of making 7 disk for 1 season.
Ok Blue-ray is not going to make it and HD-DVD will win this whole crap...its cheaper and cheaper for people to mass produce..also did I meantion its cheaper..
back to topic we'll that sucks for Blue-ray disc!
BR dose have size about 10-20GB however its a wonky setup add Sony onto it and their anti consumer schemeing tis just not worth it unless they can prove they can dish out 100GB discs and there be nothing wrong with them and if it requires new hardware its almost pointless to try it.
Still the brunt of the differences in BR and Hdvd is that sony has been heading the tech and effort a lousy 20GB is not goign to help sony win this they need to put the protections on the back burner get the bugs worked out and get 100GB made and done.
Until then Hdvd offers a more coherent tech that slightly cheaper,2 discs will make up for anything needed, frankly 2 or 3 DVD9s are all thats really needed.
Originally posted by eandtc:
And now - back to the topic.... ;)
Originally posted by wolf123:No, see, they'll never do that, because then they'll lose money. They'll have 7 discs, each with a bunch of features you'll never watch and charge a lot of money. That's how business works.
I would like too know when they tv shows wil they put the whole season on 1 disk because they will be able too now or at least I think you could instead of making 7 disk for 1 season.
Quote:sukoutoOriginally posted by wolf123:No, see, they'll never do that, because then they'll lose money. They'll have 7 discs, each with a bunch of features you'll never watch and charge a lot of money. That's how business works.
I would like too know when they tv shows wil they put the whole season on 1 disk because they will be able too now or at least I think you could instead of making 7 disk for 1 season.
Like how Saab COULD make a car as strong as a jet, but doesn't.
Like how doctors don't cure anything, they just give you ways to cope with it.
that looks like chemials misted on it. i lost timsplitters 2 to that once, and the disk looks the same! i sprayed lysol or febreeze, and it burned dots on my disk and my ps2, leaving an untuched disk print on the ps2 cover.
I believe this is what will happen unless someone says screw the format war and waits for the next gen of dvds then I Believe HD-DVD is not enough capacity So BD disk will win and it will be around for what 5 or 6 years thats what we had dvds for maybe alittle longer 2013 thats the end of regular dvd 95-98% of people have dvd players by this time at least 40% will have BD dvd recorders and dvd players in there homes.
By this time in 2010 HD-DVD will die a new format will be born it will be virtual DVD and this already excist if you look back it already was announced the next Gen DVD so I think I will wait because right now I have plenty of DVDs and I will have stuff too make on these things for a while.
Plus once they have a dual burner for old and new dvds it will be the most spectacular thing ever.
Blu-Ray rules
DIE A GOOD DEATH HD-DVD.
Originally posted by wolf123:
I believe this is what will happen unless someone says screw the format war and waits for the next gen of dvds then I Believe HD-DVD is not enough capacity So BD disk will win and it will be around for what 5 or 6 years thats what we had dvds for maybe alittle longer 2013 thats the end of regular dvd 95-98% of people have dvd players by this time at least 40% will have BD dvd recorders and dvd players in there homes.
By this time in 2010 HD-DVD will die a new format will be born it will be virtual DVD and this already excist if you look back it already was announced the next Gen DVD so I think I will wait because right now I have plenty of DVDs and I will have stuff too make on these things for a while.
Plus once they have a dual burner for old and new dvds it will be the most spectacular thing ever.
Blu-Ray rules
DIE A GOOD DEATH HD-DVD.
Originally posted by wolf123:I do not believe you will ever see this for one reason: MONEY
I would like too know when they tv shows wil they put the whole season on 1 disk because they will be able too now or at least I think you could instead of making 7 disk for 1 season.
duckNrun
funny I would only buy it if the whole thing was under 40 I don't pay $5+ or more per disc for anything.
lots of others sure do! I can remember when they were wanting $100 for ONE season of the Sopranos on 5 discs!
--edited for typo (blasted pain meds, late nights and keyboards just dont mix sometimes...)
Quote:This is the reason for it nowadays, but originally this was done to force cash register operators to make change for purchases, so there would be a receipt. Just FYI. :)
It all comes back to the psychology of consumerism, packaging and pricing. Why do you think stores sell stuff for $xxx.99 or $xxx.48 instead of just saying screw it lets round it off... because the CHANGE allows someone who buys something for $99.99 to say well I got that for under 100 bucks (yeah like that extra penny was gonna kill the deal... BUT IN SOME INSTANCES IT DOES! lol Thats why the pricing scheme is set like that.)
Sony's DADC plant in the USA was well known for producing, especially towards the end of the LaserDisc era, discs known to suffer extensively from rot.
Maybe they just are reverting to their old ways?
BTW I hear theres more than 'The Presige' involved in this, 'Stranger Than Fiction', 'Pearl Harbor', 'Gone in 60 Seconds' and 'The Departed' have all been mentioned so far.
Originally posted by hughjars:maybe this is like what happened to me, a spray that burned the plastic. then, using old news, they push this rot and make it believable. has sony officially said anything anyhow?
Sony's DADC plant in the USA was well known for producing, especially towards the end of the LaserDisc era, discs known to suffer extensively from rot.
Maybe they just are reverting to their old ways?
BTW I hear theres more than 'The Presige' involved in this, 'Stranger Than Fiction', 'Pearl Harbor', 'Gone in 60 Seconds' and 'The Departed' have all been mentioned so far.
One good reason I like this site is--in the course of others using wit and a small amount of indignation to discuss/debate the issues--I am sure the members who read the comments get a broader range of facts to figure out their own problems/needs/ideas. I like it. Human minds excel when provoked to prove a point. Well done, folks.
Originally posted by Jmark:
One good reason I like this site is--in the course of others using wit and a small amount of indignation to discuss/debate the issues--I am sure the members who read the comments get a broader range of facts to figure out their own problems/needs/ideas. I like it. Human minds excel when provoked to prove a point. Well done, folks.
Although I only use regular DVDs and have no plans otherwise...my quest for KNOWING how things work is my fascination. For example, what would I gain with the newer technologies? Very little--a clearer picture--slightly. Another reason I want to know about technologies is to follow the Chinese domination in this field. They absolutely own the DVD market.