OnLive cloud gaming service to launch in June

So now we get to worry about the onlive service AND the assassins creed servers going down

I kind of like the on live service only for the fact that my PC sucks balls and the idea of being able to play such newer games on it makes me interested

Onlive is a mess but I tell you if they use PCs to help the cloud it will work like crazy. Why not pay people by the bits they help send and receive like 0.10 a bit and it would pay for the service but not more than that.

removing ownership and forcing us to rent, for a higher cost than the second hand value of the games, i think not.

cloud rip off gaming = fail.

Originally posted by av_verbal:

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removing ownership and forcing us to rent, for a higher cost than the second hand value of the games, i think not.

cloud rip off gaming = fail.

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Right now it is, in ten years you subscribe to it for a flat hardware fee of 5-10 you get a software pack for new and old titles for 20-30$ and new games would be gotten for 5-20$ if they are not covered under your plan. Right now it sucks as did cable 30 years ago.

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Originally posted by av_verbal:

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removing ownership and forcing us to rent, for a higher cost than the second hand value of the games, i think not.

cloud rip off gaming = fail.

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Right now it is, in ten years you subscribe to it for a flat hardware fee of 5-10 you get a software pack for new and old titles for 20-30$ and new games would be gotten for 5-20$ if they are not covered under your plan. Right now it sucks as did cable 30 years ago.

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so i pay a flat fee for lazy programmers to churn out crap while the better titles will have extra fees + required mirco payments for "essential" downloaded add ons.

i pick what titles i like ty very much, i own the disc you cannot turn me off and force to to purchase the new "best ever" version of madden as i am happy playing the one from 5 years ago as it satisfies my needs.

subscription models suck unless its huge online titles like wow (world of warcraft),

this is not a model for any other type of games unless you are the studios/publishers wanting to make gazillions charging a monthly subscription for a title that costs £20 outright second hand, not £10 per month.

lets see who is rubbing their hands and if this is good for the consumer!

game purchased outright forever = £40 max on pc.

game purchased subscription:

12 months = £120
24 months = £240
36 months = £360

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Originally posted by av_verbal:

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removing ownership and forcing us to rent, for a higher cost than the second hand value of the games, i think not.

cloud rip off gaming = fail.

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Right now it is, in ten years you subscribe to it for a flat hardware fee of 5-10 you get a software pack for new and old titles for 20-30$ and new games would be gotten for 5-20$ if they are not covered under your plan. Right now it sucks as did cable 30 years ago.

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so i pay a flat fee for lazy programmers to churn out crap while the better titles will have extra fees + required mirco payments for "essential" downloaded add ons.

i pick what titles i like ty very much, i own the disc you cannot turn me off and force to to purchase the new "best ever" version of madden as i am happy playing the one from 5 years ago as it satisfies my needs.

subscription models suck unless its huge online titles like wow (world of warcraft),

this is not a model for any other type of games unless you are the studios/publishers wanting to make gazillions charging a monthly subscription for a title that costs £20 outright second hand, not £10 per month.

lets see who is rubbing their hands and if this is good for the consumer!

game purchased outright forever = £40 max on pc.

game purchased subscription:

12 months = £120
24 months = £240
36 months = £360

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Look at TV subscriptions thats the ultimate model that Onlive is trying to get to, the trouble is game licensing is not setup for it right now and it will take 10 years to get all that fixed.

So think of it like this 30$ a month for anything older than a year but up to 3 years old but for a few select titles, then add 15$ for all the back catalog and another $20 for ALL the newest stuff once it comes out.

Then halve the price and add it to TV packages, we are getting there bit by bit but getting there will not be pretty....

The only game I was going to get this for was Crysis. And that was last year. Now that I have a fast PC and since Crysis 2 is coming to the 360, there's is no way in hell I'm going to pay $15 a month for something that relies only on your internet connection. I already have speed problem with my ISP as it is. If you only had to pay for the game, and without a subscription, I might have still been interested in this.

The way modern "online" DRM is going, I think this is a much better alternative. It's better than having to pay full price for a game you don't actually "own" because they can shut it off anytime they want. I do, however, prefer the "old way" where you could actually buy a game and truly own it. For example I can still play Total Annihilation, which is a 12 year old game or so. Or, I can go back and play my NES games on the original system. The way things are going, all the great titles of today will simply disappear at some point in the future. Poof! Gone like a cloud in the wind! Meanwhile, I'll still be playing Donkey Kong.

Originally posted by cart0181:

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The way modern "online" DRM is going, I think this is a much better alternative. It's better than having to pay full price for a game you don't actually "own" because they can shut it off anytime they want. I do, however, prefer the "old way" where you could actually buy a game and truly own it. For example I can still play Total Annihilation, which is a 12 year old game or so. Or, I can go back and play my NES games on the original system. The way things are going, all the great titles of today will simply disappear at some point in the future. Poof! Gone like a cloud in the wind! Meanwhile, I'll still be playing Donkey Kong.

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ya once they adopt a subscription model for gaming its going to make things alot better as long as you are paying 10X less for hardware and software on a yearly scale.

OnLive is going to fail miserably. You have to pay then 15$/mo and they give you nothing. You have access to games that you have to purchase at an additional fee. You stop paying your OnLive subscription and you would lose access to anything you have purchased. You would have to be retarded to subscribe to a service like that. People will pay a monthly fee to rent a certain number of games a month or they would buy the game outright to have their own copy but only crazy people would pay 15$ for nothing per month and an additional amount to rent games they cannot take with them should they stop their subscription.

This is just another in the long list of scams that guy has put out. Look him up and see other failings he has initiated. In any event why would ANYONE trust their save games to a f'ing SERVER?! We're not talking about some WoW game, but something like Dragon Age or Baldurs Gate II where you've got 60+ hours invested.

I like my saved games in one place..in MY possession.

This all seems great in theory, but let us remember how slow, buggy, and unreliable the internet is in most places. It is bad enough if your neighbors are all online so Ubisoft's "Always On DRM" takes 20 seconds to connect...just imagine if you were unable to game every time your connection dropped below 20mbps/2mbps. On top of that, most ISPs have high pings; so there is always a delay, even in the middle of the night.

Give fiber another 10 years and perhapse this would be a viable option for some people...or maybe when fast 4G data plans get cheap; that way you could play all the latest games on a netbook or tablet (at lower resolution for the lower speed).

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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This all seems great in theory, but let us remember how slow, buggy, and unreliable the internet is in most places. It is bad enough if your neighbors are all online so Ubisoft's "Always On DRM" takes 20 seconds to connect...just imagine if you were unable to game every time your connection dropped below 20mbps/2mbps. On top of that, most ISPs have high pings; so there is always a delay, even in the middle of the night.

Give fiber another 10 years and perhapse this would be a viable option for some people...or maybe when fast 4G data plans get cheap; that way you could play all the latest games on a netbook or tablet (at lower resolution for the lower speed).

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The game was said about digital distribution, I say in 10 years it will be easily feasible to pull it off where it can gain a profit and in 20 to 30 years the only thing you will keep on you is your user data that has your recites and crap in it.

I agree with KillerBug. This does seem like something that is ahead of its time, 10 years ought to do it. Its a great concept if properly implemented, which OnLive certainly won't be.
To windsong, I would be surprised if they don't let you at least store a backup of your saves on your own computer. You're right, it would feel way too risky otherwise.

I used to game on the pc, until i got a ps3 and i've never looked back,goodbye pc for gaming.

$15.00/month x 12 months = $180.00/year..................Hmmmmmmmm................

with PC games being 49.00 at the start and a couple months later being only 39.00, that means you'd have to buy 5 games (at the 39.00 mark) to make up the difference of that monthly GOD awful cost. I don't buy 3,4, or 5 games a year. Only this year did 2 games come out that I wanted to actually buy. But this was a great year for games.

Cloud gaming is a scam that no doubt will lure the unsuspecting in and then later they'll realise that they're not using it enough to justify the cost. Besides, Mass Effect 2 is what I'm playing now and it's HUGE like Fallout 3 and will probably rack in the same playing hours at about 50+ (which is what it took me for Fallout 3). Now...........I play on the hardest level to keep the realism and make the most of the game.

Besides.......computers now can just about always play all the games with a minor investment in a good video card for 200.00 bucks..........so long as people stay away from Celeron-type procs.

AS FOR GAMING ON A PS3 OVER A PC................Whatever.

First Person Shooters are nigh impossible to play with controllers. Constant adjusting for aiming........especially at distances and the fact that many many games that come out for the PC and/or the 360 are NOT available for PS3.

However.......God of War 3 LOOKS INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by lissenup2:

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$15.00/month x 12 months = $180.00/year..................Hmmmmmmmm................

with PC games being 49.00 at the start and a couple months later being only 39.00, that means you'd have to buy 5 games (at the 39.00 mark) to make up the difference of that monthly GOD awful cost. I don't buy 3,4, or 5 games a year. Only this year did 2 games come out that I wanted to actually buy. But this was a great year for games.

Cloud gaming is a scam that no doubt will lure the unsuspecting in and then later they'll realise that they're not using it enough to justify the cost. Besides, Mass Effect 2 is what I'm playing now and it's HUGE like Fallout 3 and will probably rack in the same playing hours at about 50+ (which is what it took me for Fallout 3). Now...........I play on the hardest level to keep the realism and make the most of the game.

Besides.......computers now can just about always play all the games with a minor investment in a good video card for 200.00 bucks..........so long as people stay away from Celeron-type procs.

AS FOR GAMING ON A PS3 OVER A PC................Whatever.

First Person Shooters are nigh impossible to play with controllers. Constant adjusting for aiming........especially at distances and the fact that many many games that come out for the PC and/or the 360 are NOT available for PS3.

However.......God of War 3 LOOKS INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Right now its a scam, once they get the subscription model up and running that will be what mainstream gaming will turn into with the portable crap for the ipple crap and smart Phones and such..

i'm all for cloud gaming as long it's like netflix, 1 price for unlimited play, no problem. but if they going to charge us for each game on top of a monthly payment, their out of their minds :/

What we really need is some kind of Universal Account; say $40 a month for access to all music, games, movies, and TV...all through the internet.

As for the trust-worthy-ness of cloud servers, most people don't even have regular backups, let alone RAID...the cloud servers certainly have RAID...so most people are more likely to loose data on their hard drive than on the internet.

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As for the trust-worthy-ness of cloud servers, most people don't even have regular backups, let alone RAID...the cloud servers certainly have RAID...so most people are more likely to loose data on their hard drive than on the internet.

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Good Point. You're more likely to lose your own saves than they are.