Nintendo Wii 2 with Blu-ray coming next year?

Curb piracy? Right...bet it's hacked in a week...

Lets hope, cause the Wii in my eyes, despite selling 30mil units wasn't very successful for gamers. Way I see it, Big N no longer deserves my $.

Don't they think its a little to late for that right now? By than the ps3 motion and the kinect will be in full effect and I'm sure they will prove themselves to be a way better investment then the wii because they offer like a WAY superior graphic output will make it much easier on the eyes and not stuck in the past like the wii is. So buying a new wii just because it offering something that the other consoles would already support (except the xbox360 because they refuse to support bluray...Ballmer is an ANUS!) just wouldn't be worth it to me.

has any one ever thought with the newer flip side blu ray disc out that the gaming companies might do a one side ps3 the other side wii2 just to cut cost and increase the profit they can make after all if m$ wont bump up to blu ray its a smart move to do that and hit both system markets at one time

Originally posted by deak91:

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has any one ever thought with the newer flip side blu ray disc out that the gaming companies might do a one side ps3 the other side wii2 just to cut cost and increase the profit they can make after all if m$ wont bump up to blu ray its a smart move to do that and hit both system markets at one time

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blu-ray = fail, if Wii2 goes that way it will fail along with it, HDD is the way to go.

Originally posted by hawaiibound:

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Originally posted by deak91:

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has any one ever thought with the newer flip side blu ray disc out that the gaming companies might do a one side ps3 the other side wii2 just to cut cost and increase the profit they can make after all if m$ wont bump up to blu ray its a smart move to do that and hit both system markets at one time

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blu-ray = fail, if Wii2 goes that way it will fail along with it, HDD is the way to go.

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... So, do you have Betamax in your basement?

The Wii has not had a long enough lifetime for them to be putting out a new console yet. They do this and they're going to have a whole lot of ticked off customers. It just doesn't strike me as something that Nintendo would be stupid enough to do - especially when supporting Blu-ray means supporting their rival, Sony. But time will tell.

Suppose they go with blu ray and pay royalties to Sony, wouldn't they in some ways profit? What I'm thinking is I would pay royalties to Sony to have my console unhackable using blu ray and the security similar to the PS3 so I wouldn't have to deal with the loss of profit because of piracy. But in the event of where the Wii gets hacked...well... your screwed cause you bet it all on it not being hacked.

The following quote was posted just yesterday, so I'm not sure I'd trust the article linked. Though I wouldn't entirely discount it / the possibility either.

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Nintendo has confirmed the Wii successor console is well underway, but will not talk about it at all for fear of it being ripped off.

Nintendo boss Satoru Iwada confirmed that a successor to its wildly successful Wii console is under development – however, he refuses to part with any details out of fear that the competition will swipe the idea:

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“Unfortunately, the history of entertainment is also the history of imitation.

If a superb idea comes out, and it’s something you can’t protect with a patent, it will be copied immediately.”

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He goes on to talk about the importance of “surprising” consumers – this and his secretiveness seem to suggest the successor may be more than just a Wii with upgraded hardware.

Previously Nintendo has been keen to point out that the Move and Kinect are mere copies of its Wiimote – though considering how long it took Microsoft and Sony to come out with them, they hardly seem to pose a major threat.

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Just re-posting this here.

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By than the ps3 motion and the kinect will be in full effect and I'm sure they will prove themselves to be a way better investment then the wii because they offer like a WAY superior graphic output will make it much easier on the eyes and not stuck in the past like the wii is

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I think people who think THIS kind of nonsense are off their god damned rockers. The Wii is as stale as it is with the gamer crowd because developers DO NOT KNOW HOW to properly implement motion controls in a manner which is fun, intuitive, PRECISE, and doesn't feel like a improperly implemented GIMMICK. Only a handful of games on the Wii feel like the motion controls were implemented properly/well and in a game that was actually fun to play. Almost all of those games were developed by Nintendo.

Increasing the available polygon count will NOT make it easier to implement motion controls, it WILL make it HARDER to implement. It may LOOK nicer, but chances are, unless it's a first party game (MS/Sony) developers are going to have an even HARDER time properly implementing motion controls. Most of the available videos for kinect/move are actually choreographed to pre-recorded gameplay. A lot of people who have ACTUALLY had hands on with the devices complain of input lag and tracking inabilities.

Motion controls aren't just unreliable and hard (for developers to PROPERLY) implement. They also leave out a very large audience of gamers. You have to be physically abled in order play games with motion controls. Moving away from the standard controller to games controlled purely by motion, leaves the people with disabilities, unable to play games they would otherwise enjoy playing. The Wii may have sold millions, but it didn't change the fact that motion controls are still stuck in the "gimmick" stage of implementation and need a lot of serious refining.

Sorry for the rant.

I just hope it doesn't use motion controls.

Originally posted by WierdName:

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Originally posted by hawaiibound:

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Originally posted by deak91:

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has any one ever thought with the newer flip side blu ray disc out that the gaming companies might do a one side ps3 the other side wii2 just to cut cost and increase the profit they can make after all if m$ wont bump up to blu ray its a smart move to do that and hit both system markets at one time

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blu-ray = fail, if Wii2 goes that way it will fail along with it, HDD is the way to go.

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... So, do you have Betamax in your basement?

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HDD stands for Hard Disk Drive. He's implying Nintendo should include a hard drive and let gamers download their games. Kinda like Steam but on your console.

as long as it has an hd zelda game i'll be fine.

Originally posted by IPRFenix:

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The following quote was posted just yesterday, so I'm not sure I'd trust the article linked. Though I wouldn't entirely discount it / the possibility either.

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Nintendo has confirmed the Wii successor console is well underway, but will not talk about it at all for fear of it being ripped off.

Nintendo boss Satoru Iwada confirmed that a successor to its wildly successful Wii console is under development – however, he refuses to part with any details out of fear that the competition will swipe the idea:

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“Unfortunately, the history of entertainment is also the history of imitation.

If a superb idea comes out, and it’s something you can’t protect with a patent, it will be copied immediately.”

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He goes on to talk about the importance of “surprising” consumers – this and his secretiveness seem to suggest the successor may be more than just a Wii with upgraded hardware.

Previously Nintendo has been keen to point out that the Move and Kinect are mere copies of its Wiimote – though considering how long it took Microsoft and Sony to come out with them, they hardly seem to pose a major threat.

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Just re-posting this here.

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By than the ps3 motion and the kinect will be in full effect and I'm sure they will prove themselves to be a way better investment then the wii because they offer like a WAY superior graphic output will make it much easier on the eyes and not stuck in the past like the wii is

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I think people who think THIS kind of nonsense are off their god damned rockers. The Wii is as stale as it is with the gamer crowd because developers DO NOT KNOW HOW to properly implement motion controls in a manner which is fun, intuitive, PRECISE, and doesn't feel like a improperly implemented GIMMICK. Only a handful of games on the Wii feel like the motion controls were implemented properly/well and in a game that was actually fun to play. Almost all of those games were developed by Nintendo.

Increasing the available polygon count will NOT make it easier to implement motion controls, it WILL make it HARDER to implement. It may LOOK nicer, but chances are, unless it's a first party game (MS/Sony) developers are going to have an even HARDER time properly implementing motion controls. Most of the available videos for kinect/move are actually choreographed to pre-recorded gameplay. A lot of people who have ACTUALLY had hands on with the devices complain of input lag and tracking inabilities.

Motion controls aren't just unreliable and hard (for developers to PROPERLY) implement. They also leave out a very large audience of gamers. You have to be physically abled in order play games with motion controls. Moving away from the standard controller to games controlled purely by motion, leaves the people with disabilities, unable to play games they would otherwise enjoy playing. The Wii may have sold millions, but it didn't change the fact that motion controls are still stuck in the "gimmick" stage of implementation and need a lot of serious refining.

Sorry for the rant.

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Who said anything about it being easier to to implement, I dont care what the process is for getting it to work or how hard it is. The fact that I am trying to make is that the kinect and motion will use technology that is greater than the Wii has and should offer a far better gaming experience.

as long as they have an hd zelda i'll be happy

We will wait and see... but is very late in game even for nintendo... but like we saw on the first wii nintendo is here to make money and not to make gamers happy... i would say this is the bad "Apple" of gaming both companys know how to brain wash consumers. I personally got the wii and i have 3 games for it, the free one that came with, wii fitness and rrr.

I think some of you are missing the point. The Wii games market is primarily aimed at a much younger audience with the focus on fun gaming rather than serious war games. They have also been very clever in making a lot of the games playable with the original or gamecube controllers, therefore not alienating disabled gamers or people like me who can't be bothered to wave a wii controller about. Also their downloadable back catalogue is a great extra option. However with this in mind I really don't see how adding Blu-ray will make any difference. They should concentrate on producing top quality games and competing with Sony/Xbox for the younger market.

Nintendo and blu-ray don't go in the same sentence. the Wii is just a rebranded cube with wireless controllers and a slightly faster cpu to help with motion control.

its not bleeding edge hell for what its worth its not even this generation tech. Nintendo are market players, they've tried the competing with the competition thing it didn't work.

game playability is more important that graphics, additional blu-ray well, meh, that means higher costs for all titles because of extortionate licensing, tbh would rather have multiple dvd's & save $15 per title.

lets hope they keep the fun & family aspect to the wii 2 and not follow the other consoles who seem to only push for graphical detail and FMV while the games mostly suck.

Originally posted by ker7099:

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Originally posted by WierdName:

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Originally posted by hawaiibound:

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Originally posted by deak91:

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has any one ever thought with the newer flip side blu ray disc out that the gaming companies might do a one side ps3 the other side wii2 just to cut cost and increase the profit they can make after all if m$ wont bump up to blu ray its a smart move to do that and hit both system markets at one time

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blu-ray = fail, if Wii2 goes that way it will fail along with it, HDD is the way to go.

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... So, do you have Betamax in your basement?

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HDD stands for Hard Disk Drive. He's implying Nintendo should include a hard drive and let gamers download their games. Kinda like Steam but on your console.

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wow. really? what he meant when he said betamax was even tho it was better than vhs, vhs was more popular and killed betamax. so dont just completley go with hdd.. downloading arnt just fast enough for instant play. u cant pop it and and get started... people like to have something physical so they can take a game to a friends house and be able to play it... and by the way he knew what hdd stands for. everyone does... so he got the implication.. but the implication isnt a great idea

Originally posted by tomselleck:

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as long as they have an hd zelda i'll be happy

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Don't worry...Nintendo hasn't had a new idea in at least a decade; they will be rereleasing all their chessnuts.

Originally posted by davidike:

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game playability is more important that graphics, additional blu-ray well, meh, that means higher costs for all titles because of extortionate licensing, tbh would rather have multiple dvd's & save $15 per title.

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All these licensing complaints are a bit overblown. When you can get a bluray movie new for $10 and a bluray game new for $12, how can you claim that there is a $15 per title fee just for licensing the disk format? Games on the 360 are the same price as games on the PS3. The only reason that Wii games are cheaper is because they are basically just expanded iPhone apps.

Originally posted by DXR88:

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Nintendo and blu-ray don't go in the same sentence.

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That isn't true...for example, "just a few months ago the head of Nintendo design said that wii users don't want HD or BluRay"...you see, one sentence.

Originally posted by GGPWN:

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Suppose they go with blu ray and pay royalties to Sony, wouldn't they in some ways profit? What I'm thinking is I would pay royalties to Sony to have my console unhackable using blu ray and the security similar to the PS3 so I wouldn't have to deal with the loss of profit because of piracy. But in the event of where the Wii gets hacked...well... your screwed cause you bet it all on it not being hacked.

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Again, the royalites for bluray are very low (and they don't go to Sony anyway)...you can get blank bluray disks for $1...just how do they make a profit selling disks for $1 with these huge licensing fees everyone keeps talking about? Also, piracy does not hurt sales unless you have terrible games. Piracy is like free advertising by word of mouth, the only time it hurts you is when a game is so terrible that it isn't worth playing for free (of course, that is a problem for Nintendo, as I just described most of their games). If piracy actually is a problem for Nintendo, then they need to address the situation that is making piracy a problem (their terrible games, controls, and graphics).

Originally posted by nonoitall:

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The Wii has not had a long enough lifetime for them to be putting out a new console yet. They do this and they're going to have a whole lot of ticked off customers. It just doesn't strike me as something that Nintendo would be stupid enough to do - especially when supporting Blu-ray means supporting their rival, Sony. But time will tell.

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It may not be a very old console, but from a technical standpoint, it is only a hair more advanced than the PS2 (and unlike the PS2, it has very few good games). That makes is a very outdated console, no matter how new it is.

Ultimately, I think that Nintendo was correct when they claimed their customers don't want HD or bluray support...or at least, that they don't care about these things. Little kids don't seem to mind low resolution games and video, the elderly just want to play virtual bowling, and they can hardly see the screen in the first place, and the rest of Nintendo's customers are middle-aged women who bought the wii-sports-plus-pack thinking that it would inspire them to get a workout once in a while...only to find that it gets even less use than the aerobic bike (at least the bike is useful for laundry day). Serious gamers don't want motion controls, so they don't have a wii unless they have more money than they know what to do with...in which case, they have the PS3 for bluray.

Originally posted by Mysttic:

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Lets hope, cause the Wii in my eyes, despite selling 30mil units wasn't very successful for gamers. Way I see it, Big N no longer deserves my $.

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I'm with you on that one.

Originally posted by mattdaniels71:

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Originally posted by ker7099:

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Originally posted by WierdName:

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Originally posted by hawaiibound:

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Originally posted by deak91:

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has any one ever thought with the newer flip side blu ray disc out that the gaming companies might do a one side ps3 the other side wii2 just to cut cost and increase the profit they can make after all if m$ wont bump up to blu ray its a smart move to do that and hit both system markets at one time

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blu-ray = fail, if Wii2 goes that way it will fail along with it, HDD is the way to go.

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... So, do you have Betamax in your basement?

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HDD stands for Hard Disk Drive. He's implying Nintendo should include a hard drive and let gamers download their games. Kinda like Steam but on your console.

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wow. really? what he meant when he said betamax was even tho it was better than vhs, vhs was more popular and killed betamax. so dont just completley go with hdd.. downloading arnt just fast enough for instant play. u cant pop it and and get started... people like to have something physical so they can take a game to a friends house and be able to play it... and by the way he knew what hdd stands for. everyone does... so he got the implication.. but the implication isnt a great idea

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Actually, my mistake. I incorrectly read the 'HDD' as 'HD-DVD' (not sure how) and that's why I compared it to the Betamax - VHS battle. However, HDD is a nice feature allowing one to play their games without swapping disk or other media. But it's just that, a feature. As said, physical, tangible media is instant use. With my PS3 I find it annoying having to download and/or install stuff to the drive. It's helpful loading quickly from the HDD but the disk is still needed to start the game.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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It may not be a very old console, but from a technical standpoint, it is only a hair more advanced than the PS2 (and unlike the PS2, it has very few good games). That makes is a very outdated console, no matter how new it is.

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That's a pretty gargantuan hair. Even the Gamecube was technologically superior to the PS2, and while many refer to the Wii as a mildly updated Gamecube, it actually does trump its predecessor by a fair margin.

Originally posted by nonoitall:

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Originally posted by KillerBug:

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It may not be a very old console, but from a technical standpoint, it is only a hair more advanced than the PS2 (and unlike the PS2, it has very few good games). That makes is a very outdated console, no matter how new it is.

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That's a pretty gargantuan hair. Even the Gamecube was technologically superior to the PS2, and while many refer to the Wii as a mildly updated Gamecube, it actually does trump its predecessor by a fair margin.

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if it can i haven't seen it.

Originally posted by Killerbug:

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That isn't true...for example, "just a few months ago the head of Nintendo design said that wii users don't want HD or BluRay"...you see, one sentence.

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Ha-ha aren't you the funny one <_<

Originally posted by DXR88:

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Originally posted by nonoitall:

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Originally posted by KillerBug:

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It may not be a very old console, but from a technical standpoint, it is only a hair more advanced than the PS2 (and unlike the PS2, it has very few good games). That makes is a very outdated console, no matter how new it is.

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That's a pretty gargantuan hair. Even the Gamecube was technologically superior to the PS2, and while many refer to the Wii as a mildly updated Gamecube, it actually does trump its predecessor by a fair margin.

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if it can i haven't seen it.

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I have. :-)

Originally posted by nonoitall:

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Originally posted by DXR88:

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Originally posted by nonoitall:

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Originally posted by KillerBug:

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It may not be a very old console, but from a technical standpoint, it is only a hair more advanced than the PS2 (and unlike the PS2, it has very few good games). That makes is a very outdated console, no matter how new it is.

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That's a pretty gargantuan hair. Even the Gamecube was technologically superior to the PS2, and while many refer to the Wii as a mildly updated Gamecube, it actually does trump its predecessor by a fair margin.

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if it can i haven't seen it.

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I have. :-)

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what game?

Super Mario Galaxy blew Super Mario Sunshine out of the water. (No pun intended.)

Originally posted by Mysttic:

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Lets hope, cause the Wii in my eyes, despite selling 30mil units wasn't very successful for gamers. Way I see it, Big N no longer deserves my $.

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fail the nintendo has plentyu great games. for gamers its developers that ulimtay fail

Originally posted by GGPWN:

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Suppose they go with blu ray and pay royalties to Sony, wouldn't they in some ways profit? What I'm thinking is I would pay royalties to Sony to have my console unhackable using blu ray and the security similar to the PS3 so I wouldn't have to deal with the loss of profit because of piracy. But in the event of where the Wii gets hacked...well... your screwed cause you bet it all on it not being hacked.

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Royalties for Blu-ray don't go to Sony...they go to the Blu-ray Disc Association (of which Sony is a member).

the bluray will stop piracy to a point. because the games are gonna be huge. and the fact that the bluray disc that u burn on are different from the discs they use for games and movies.

Originally posted by nonoitall:

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The Wii has not had a long enough lifetime for them to be putting out a new console yet. They do this and they're going to have a whole lot of ticked off customers. It just doesn't strike me as something that Nintendo would be stupid enough to do - especially when supporting Blu-ray means supporting their rival, Sony. But time will tell.

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in previous generations the average lifespan of a console was 5 years and seeing how the Wii was released in Nov. 2006, and it is now almost 2011 it is the perfect time for theme to release a console. PS3, and XBOX360 have enough steam to get them going for another 3,4 maybe 5 years but Wii will take a massive beating if it does not catch up to the generation standard with both other console makers copying the reason it became successful. next year with the release of 3DS and its online capabilities, that may possibly be better than Wii's it is possibly in their best interest to introduce a new home console that can provide better functionality with the 3DS than Wii will be able to. With the right marketing strategies they may even be able to force the others major companies to change their plans earlier than expected. but IMO I don't think better graphics and a DVD player are going to save Wii so i can't wait to see what they come up with.>

Originally posted by nonoitall:

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The Wii has not had a long enough lifetime for them to be putting out a new console yet. They do this and they're going to have a whole lot of ticked off customers. It just doesn't strike me as something that Nintendo would be stupid enough to do - especially when supporting Blu-ray means supporting their rival, Sony. But time will tell.

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jajaja really?? Let's see the DS, the DS Lite, the DSi, DSiXL and now the DS3D....Stupid is as stupid does! They change tech like changing a pair of underware. Plus given the preasure of lacking in the graphics department and new consoles that will soon equal or surpass what Wii does(controler wise obviously not performance or graphics), I think it might be possible. However it will also be a mistake on Nintendo's part since the main reason of the wii's popularity is it's relative cheapness in comparison to other consoles as well as games.

This is pretty funny considering the PS3 is getting Move. So, adding BD and HD outputs to Wii is really transforming the Wii to PS3 no? Except of course now you can enjoy all of the Nintendo goodies in HD!

The Wii2 had better have a vastly better hardware spec or Blu-ray won't help sell more. You can't even use it as a media center since it technically can not play H.264 encoded files. Blu-ray isn't what's holding the Wii back. Poor developer support and weak hardware is. With better hardware would come better development support because few companies want to make visually crappier games for the Wii than the competition.

I love the typical rants, they never seem to change! I remember when the Wii was first coming out and these same people were ranting how it would never sell compared to the other BETTER consoles, and look the Wii out sells everything. Guess what they were all wrong. Similarly these people ranted about BD never winning the format wars stating that HD-DVD was better and would win out, what happened there? It is so funny how some never wakeup and learn from their mistakes.

First the original Wii connects up to a HiDef input on HDTV’s already so that is nothing new! But you can bet that if they are adding a BDROM that they will most likely be improving their GPU as well. And software support crews will be upping their games too.

BD licensing will only effect the cost of the console as BD25’s are pretty cheap these days and I doubt that the cost of the console will jump the much either especially in this market. They need to add a BDROM to keep up with the times and it does allow them to tweak their protection schemes. That is exactly why I wouldn’t give them my consoles as an upgrade, it isn’t worth the little bit of monies they’ll give you back.

Having the new console with a BDROM doesn’t mean you have to buy your old games new as they will still work in the new console. So unless they offer a HiRes upgrade of your favorite games there should be no need to replace your old games.

Now with the new console coming out I’m sure the new games generated for it will force you to buy the new console unless they offer them in both DVD and BD formats.

Microsoft is dumb if they don’t follow with a BDROM option for their console at least Nintendo seems to keep their thumb on the pulse.

Originally posted by Chanta:

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Originally posted by nonoitall:

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The Wii has not had a long enough lifetime for them to be putting out a new console yet. They do this and they're going to have a whole lot of ticked off customers. It just doesn't strike me as something that Nintendo would be stupid enough to do - especially when supporting Blu-ray means supporting their rival, Sony. But time will tell.

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jajaja really?? Let's see the DS, the DS Lite, the DSi, DSiXL and now the DS3D...

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I think you mean 3DS, edited by ddp. It may LOOK like a DS on the OUTSIDE, but it's entirely new hardware in there. If you made the current DS hardware render twice for an autostereoscopic (3D) effect, it would grind to a halt because it's just plain weak hardware. 3DS hardware is like 50x more powerful than DS/DS Lite/DSi/DSixL