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No thanks, I'm happy with my IE9. Firefox 4 has no Norton toolbar support (yet) and IE9 has both that and Google toolbar.

Originally posted by banzaigtv:

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No thanks, I'm happy with my IE9. Firefox 4 has no Norton toolbar support (yet) and IE9 has both that and Google toolbar.

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>IE9
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Hi, you must be new to computers.

Originally posted by banzaigtv:

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No thanks, I'm happy with my IE9. Firefox 4 has no Norton toolbar support (yet) and IE9 has both that and Google toolbar.

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i also welcome this person to the world of computers ;)

P.S you may want to start using a safer and better browser, and also suggest you look into kaspersky.

Don't listen to these fools. IE9 is just fine and there's nothing wrong with toolbars if that's your cup of tea. Norton is an excellent product. Maybe we should introdce these commenters to the world of computers, because apparently they're living in about 2006.

Glad to see Firefox 4 finally at release stage. It'll be interesting to see if they can keep up that plan they have for releases this year. I still think there's some things that I don't like about this version, but it's definitely a step in the right direction. They still have some work to do, but old Firefox problems from the past are starting to get some attention and we're seeing improvements. I migrate back and forth between Firefox and IE, so any improvements in either is a plus and we've seen those improvements with both. I'm not a big Chrome fan, but for those who like it, enjoy! Personally, I don't get off by knocking others choices, but as we can see, some people have nothing better to do.

I like the lay out better than previous versions. I'm on XP, so IE9 is out for me.

Originally posted by StuBeef:

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Don't listen to these fools. IE9 is just fine and there's nothing wrong with toolbars if that's your cup of tea. Norton is an excellent product. Maybe we should introdce these commenters to the world of computers, because apparently they're living in about 2006.

Glad to see Firefox 4 finally at release stage. It'll be interesting to see if they can keep up that plan they have for releases this year. I still think there's some things that I don't like about this version, but it's definitely a step in the right direction. They still have some work to do, but old Firefox problems from the past are starting to get some attention and we're seeing improvements. I migrate back and forth between Firefox and IE, so any improvements in either is a plus and we've seen those improvements with both. I'm not a big Chrome fan, but for those who like it, enjoy! Personally, I don't get off by knocking others choices, but as we can see, some people have nothing better to do.

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Welcome to the computer world as well.

I think your missing the point in "bashing" the user. Sure it could have been done in a more productive way, but he is partly choosing to use IE9 based on security(hints the reference to Norton). Problem is he is using vastly inferior products for security measures. The Norton toolbar is useless if you have a quality security solution. Comodo Internet Security is a constant top 3(most often #1) security software suite avaliable.
http://www.matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge/results.php
Look at that. Norton is rated #12. I suppose theres "nothing wrong" with that considering the number of apps reviewed. However, if you are serious about security, and think "theres nothing wrong with Norton" then think again.

As for IE9 well this sums it up well:
http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Releases+Internet+Explorer+9+Makes+a+Strong+Case+for+Business+Users/article21130.htm
My biggest problem with IE9 in terms of usability is the slowness, and no I dont have an ancient PC as you see from my sig.

IE = Internet Exploder
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/7bb54014-25e9-47c1-8d64-f28470d34c96.jpg

Originally posted by ROMaster2:

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Originally posted by banzaigtv:

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No thanks, I'm happy with my IE9. Firefox 4 has no Norton toolbar support (yet) and IE9 has both that and Google toolbar.

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>IE9
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>Google
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Hi, you must be new to computers.

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Uh, idiot, I have you know that I've been using computers for years. This is my third PC I ever owned. I was using Firefox 3 on my previous one, but I purchased this current PC with Norton 360 and Windows 7. I switched back to IE because the latest version is not only leaps and bounds better than its predecessors, but it also takes full advantage of Windows 7 and Norton 360 while posting website links' security statuses with icons. I just recently upgraded from IE8 and Norton 360 version 4.0 and installed IE9 along with Norton 360 version 5.0 as well as installing SP1 for Windows 7. Both IE9 and Norton 360 version 5.0 are so much improved over the older versions. If Firefox 4 eventually gets Norton toolbar support, then I'll look into it.

Originally posted by JGJD2001:

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Originally posted by banzaigtv:

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No thanks, I'm happy with my IE9. Firefox 4 has no Norton toolbar support (yet) and IE9 has both that and Google toolbar.

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i also welcome this person to the world of computers ;)

P.S you may want to start using a safer and better browser, and also suggest you look into kaspersky.

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I welcome you to the world of idiocy.

P.S. you may want to start using a browser that is safer, faster, and more resource-friendly than Firefox. IE9 has abilities exclusive to Windows 7, including pinning favorite sites, such as YouTube, to the taskbar. Not all corporate websites are compatible on third-party browsers. I also suggest you look into Norton 360, the world's most improved antivirus program with weblink security notifications and its own toolbar for Internet Explorer. You may think Norton slows down PCs. Not mine, especially when it has a quad-core processor and a truckload of RAM.

banzaigtv, maybe you should also read the forum rules about multi-posting before posting.

Originally posted by ddp:

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banzaigtv, maybe you should also read the forum rules about multi-posting before posting.

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They are replies.

I'm not sure what slowness you're referring to. I've used it extensively over the development phases and my personal experience far outweighs any, "supposed" review that may be posted on here. I could easily point out reviews that say the opposite of those saying it's slow, but really what's the point? Reviews are only as good as those doing the reviewing and everyone has their own bias toward any product/products. When my personal experience tells me that a review is a bad one (such as the one cited) than that review becomes worthless in my mind. The same holds true for Norton. There are plenty of reviews out there that state completely different results. Once again, I let my personal experience speak far more than anyone's review. Don't get me wrong, I like seeing reviews of products, but I take them all with a grain of salt and there's always an opposing one.

Considering the things that I stated in the first paragraph, I think you are the one missing the point. I've used the products that they've criticized and my experience tells me that neither IE9 nor Norton are inferior products. Were they perhaps inferior at one time? Sure, I'd agree that past products needed some work and I've used many others over these last couple of decades. Of course, that holds true of every other browser out there and every other piece of security software/hardware. They've all had successes and failures, but yet, only a few, "Big named" companies seem to get the hate and bias thrown their way, even when their products have been good and the competitor's have not been so good. I think that says a little something about what motivates people to make the comments that they make and that's why I don't take reviews/opinions all that seriously. I let my own experience do the talking and my experience is that IE9 is a fine product and Norton is an excellent product. They both still have work and improving to do, but so do their competitors.

I like to keep things unbiased and share my hands on experience. Unfortunately, I see very little of that from the majority of commenters on this or any other forum. I also see very little of this from those people we call professional reviewers/journalists. In fact, I tend to find more truth in personal reviews than I do these people who pretend to be pros who are unbiased.

banzaigtv, doesn't matter as can be done in 1 post not 2 as per forum rules.

I see people here knocking the new FF4 on it's release day most probably without having tried it. All the tub-thumping righteousness, lol. Everyone has some good points... but all that anger, haha. One can't expect members to not carry strong opinions on AD heh.

banzaigtv ~ the very video above states that FF4 has pinning for favourite sites in the first few seconds, rofl.

It's true some sites do not work with FF, but that is extremely rare nowadays. However, it's not a very good reason not to use FF. FF has a sizable percentage of the browser "market" so it's sensible for a site to cater for it. If you're a FF user IE is always there in Windows anyway in case you unluckily hit one.

Note that IBM have moved to a customised version of FF for in-company use. They consider it more secure.

It might have been stated earlier that Norton has improved before getting on the soapbox. But considering how bad it was it's perfectly reasonable to expect people to be dubious don't you think?. It would have to have come a very long way to catch up with other products out there and still that would not justify it's price in comparison.

Considering that every second application wants to add a bloody browser toolbar when it installs I find it incredible to believe that Norton has not catered for FF. It would totally be the exception and rather slack of them.

I totally agree that AV review sites are often dubious ~ going over them does my head in sometimes. Xplorer4, Comodo is probably a good AV. Having checked out it's site I could not clearly ascertain whether that included all malware or just viruses (a la Avira). I personally prefer to stick to a super fast single engine solution like Vipre. And it didn't even make your list! $50 (write to them for a $10 discount on top) and you have an unlimited multiple computers site installs for a year. How can Norton compete with that?

OR- and this is a huge "or" you can just download MS Security Essentials. Free... Ms is not allowed to advertise it or bundle it with Windows because of anti-trust considerations. But it does all viruses + malware and has a good rep. It did not make that list either!

I have a pretty good poot if I say so myself, still, I do consider it pretty silly to use that as an excuse to run (arguably) bloatware services. I do actually think it's reasonable to use IE because it integrates with Norton in a way that you like. But next year why not try MSSE above? It probably does an even better job of integrating with IE considering it's an MS product too.

I would have liked to have seen a proper 64 bit version of FF4 myself. But considering the enormous addon support for FF it may not have been practicable. It's moot, a well written program is a well written program regardless, whether it's in 32 or 64 bit. I look forward to trying it as soon as I can sort out the bookmarks side of things.



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IE 9, Firefox 4, Chrome, and Opera go head to head in our latest Browser Speed Tests:
http://lifehac.kr/gRzFEh

You want to know: What's people current browser of choice?
Vote View Results:
http://lifehac.kr/dMvrUa

Originally posted by Mrguss:

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IE 9, Firefox 4, Chrome, and Opera go head to head in our latest Browser Speed Tests:
http://lifehac.kr/gRzFEh

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Ya gotta love LifeHacker.

I see LastPass acquired Xmarks. Well, I guess that solves any bookmarks issues... full steam ahead!

I also have an opinion here that later versions of FF4 may get faster.

A note about Chrome in the above comparison... bah! I don't care if it was instantaneous. Every time I used it it would load up DoubleClick, something Spybot considers spyware. Yes Google own Doubleclick:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoubleClick

Cost them US $3.1 billion!!!!



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Longtime user of 3.x. Have just installed 4.0, never tried any test versions of 4, i like it so far.

Love Mozilla much faster speed!!!

Originally posted by Xplorer4:

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Originally posted by StuBeef:

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Don't listen to these fools. IE9 is just fine and there's nothing wrong with toolbars if that's your cup of tea. Norton is an excellent product. Maybe we should introdce these commenters to the world of computers, because apparently they're living in about 2006.

Glad to see Firefox 4 finally at release stage. It'll be interesting to see if they can keep up that plan they have for releases this year. I still think there's some things that I don't like about this version, but it's definitely a step in the right direction. They still have some work to do, but old Firefox problems from the past are starting to get some attention and we're seeing improvements. I migrate back and forth between Firefox and IE, so any improvements in either is a plus and we've seen those improvements with both. I'm not a big Chrome fan, but for those who like it, enjoy! Personally, I don't get off by knocking others choices, but as we can see, some people have nothing better to do.

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Welcome to the computer world as well.

I think your missing the point in "bashing" the user. Sure it could have been done in a more productive way, but he is partly choosing to use IE9 based on security(hints the reference to Norton). Problem is he is using vastly inferior products for security measures. The Norton toolbar is useless if you have a quality security solution. Comodo Internet Security is a constant top 3(most often #1) security software suite avaliable.
http://www.matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge/results.php
Look at that. Norton is rated #12. I suppose theres "nothing wrong" with that considering the number of apps reviewed. However, if you are serious about security, and think "theres nothing wrong with Norton" then think again.

As for IE9 well this sums it up well:
http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Releases+Internet+Explorer+9+Makes+a+Strong+Case+for+Business+Users/article21130.htm
My biggest problem with IE9 in terms of usability is the slowness, and no I dont have an ancient PC as you see from my sig.

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Comodo News: 3-23-2011
Iranian hackers obtain fraudulent HTTPS certificates:
http://goo.gl/fb/0EQYc

You're all getting trolled

Originally posted by Mrguss:

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Comodo News: 3-23-2011
Iranian hackers obtain fraudulent HTTPS certificates:
http://goo.gl/fb/0EQYc

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Crikey, that seems really bloody serious... definitely worth a news report on AD on its own. Iran! And I thought the Chinese gov was bad in this regard... we dodged a bullet there.

Originally posted by Azuran:

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You're all getting trolled

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?????? Explain yourself!



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Originally posted by Mrguss:

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Comodo News: 3-23-2011
Iranian hackers obtain fraudulent HTTPS certificates:
http://goo.gl/fb/0EQYc

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Interesting news, but keep in mind, as scarey as this is, it actually has nothing to do with there security software suite by Comodo reviewed in the link I posted. I know Comodo certificates are used by many government officials, but the problem is, where there is a will there is a way. Just like DRM methods, nothing is hack proof.

Originally posted by Xplorer4:

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Originally posted by Mrguss:

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Comodo News: 3-23-2011
Iranian hackers obtain fraudulent HTTPS certificates:
http://goo.gl/fb/0EQYc

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Interesting news, but keep in mind, as scarey as this is, it actually has nothing to do with there security software suite by Comodo reviewed in the link I posted. I know Comodo certificates are used by many government officials, but the problem is, where there is a will there is a way. Just like DRM methods, nothing is hack proof.

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"The Obvious thing"
Visualized: Preconceived Notions about PC Security.
http://engt.co/fkLObA

Originally posted by Mrguss:

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Originally posted by Xplorer4:

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Originally posted by Mrguss:

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Comodo News: 3-23-2011
Iranian hackers obtain fraudulent HTTPS certificates:
http://goo.gl/fb/0EQYc

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Interesting news, but keep in mind, as scarey as this is, it actually has nothing to do with there security software suite by Comodo reviewed in the link I posted. I know Comodo certificates are used by many government officials, but the problem is, where there is a will there is a way. Just like DRM methods, nothing is hack proof.

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"The Obvious thing"
Visualized: Preconceived Notions about PC Security.
http://engt.co/fkLObA

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I liked your previous post but I'm sorry mate but I found that link to be not very useful, as an illustration or a "visualization". Would you mind explaining its relevance? It's all very well to point to a relatively cryptic chart and say "see that proves most people don't care, aren't very well protected or savvy" as it says in the text.


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Cool story. maybe ill stick to new firefox portable versions and the installed version of 2.0.0.20 tho ;-) cuz 2 still rox my sox...know what i mean? ;-)

It's nice to see FF improve on the private browser and their speed other than that version 4 is no biggy to me but I'll use it.

I won't use IE9, Norton, or McAfee junk period. The new IE9 makes the Vista OS as a new release look great and it is very slow, horribly slow! Anyone who thinks different is a novice at best.

Originally posted by elitepunk:

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Cool story. maybe ill stick to new firefox portable versions and the installed version of 2.0.0.20 tho ;-) cuz 2 still rox my sox...know what i mean? ;-)

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No, I don't. :P

The new FF4 has blown me away.

I can always run it in Sandboxie if I want comlpete security..

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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I have a pretty good poot if I say so myself

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I did a double take when I first read this. Then, I realized the shorthand being used. Still, you have to expect someone might be a little surprised by it. :)

Tried it but had to return to Firefox 3.16 due to missing modules and missing information on some websites. Tried it last week. I'll wait a while for them to get the bugs out. Maybe a couple of months.

Originally posted by dbminter:

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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I have a pretty good poot if I say so myself

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I did a double take when I first read this. Then, I realized the shorthand being used. Still, you have to expect someone might be a little surprised by it. :)

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You'r the first to ever comment..... Would you prefer "pooter"?

:D

Originally posted by creaky:

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Longtime user of 3.x. Have just installed 4.0, never tried any test versions of 4, i like it so far.

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I recently dumped 3.xx whatever it was LOL! VERY slow, and lots of crashes. I tried multiple beta releases of version 4. I stopped using it though because Hotmail was acting up big time! Since they've released version 4 into the wild, I'll give it another shot. Or rather the first shot ;) I'm currently using chrome, and it is agreeable. But I prefer firefox. I like the way it is configured.

Computers I've worked on running Norton, ran very slow. It's obviously a resource pig. Just an observation. It's also expensive. Hope it's worth it...

Better start-up times?? i clocked it with the same annoying slow opening. I had to install Firefox Preloader and now start up in 3 secs max.

Originally posted by JGJD2001:

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Originally posted by banzaigtv:

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No thanks, I'm happy with my IE9. Firefox 4 has no Norton toolbar support (yet) and IE9 has both that and Google toolbar.

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i also welcome this person to the world of computers ;)

P.S you may want to start using a safer and better browser, and also suggest you look into kaspersky.

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LMAO. Oh snap. Funny.

Purchased the new computer with Norton on it... hmm let me guess, Compaq/HP/Acer/Lenovo?
Yep you have been using computers for years, yet you continue to buy off the shelf rubbish. Try Nod32 or BitDefender at with those two they ranked number 1 and 2.
I tried it. They can stick it for the following resons

1/ I use Ronoform, wih FF4 I have to buy the latest version of Roboform for it to work. I have payed for it once and should not have to just because FF4 does not support it.
2/ If I wanted to use Opera I would use it.

Nod32, BitDefender rated #1 & #2? What paid for poll did you get that from? I'm not saying that Nod32 isn't OK however BD is over rated I wouldn't touch it. More so my point would be with security software these days you can find 10 different sites each with totally different top rated programs. Most, if not all, are biased by advertising and/or partnership relations. When any of my friends or acquaintances talk about or ask me about antivirus software I tell them to ignore these misleading polls. Periodically I test drive 20 security packages and one of the better performers typically is Kaspersky IS, Nod is OK but I don't like their general practices. I use AVG since it has gotten better recently but allows me better control over false positives and they are not so rigid with the amount of PC's you install it on. My 3 user license is actually installed on about 7 PC's, I only use 3-4 of them most of the time but I'm protected on all of them all of the time at a much cheaper price than other programs.

I would love to use Kaspersky but everytime I go to use it crashes my computer. Even after a building a new computer it still crashed it, so I gave up on it.

You can install NOD32 and BD on many systems as well. I brought a copy NOD32 SS and installed it on all 5 computers here and 4 others belonging to friends. Same goes with BD but used on less systems. The only issue I have with BD is sometimes after a series of updates it slows down the computer. That's why I use NOD32. Norton on the other locks people out of their computer, the amount of friends that has happened to is amazing.

There's a Win 7 x64 bit version of the free Microsoft Security Essentials too. LOL

Jemborg, replace the "t" of poot with a "p" as that is what i thought at 1st.

Originally posted by ddp:

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Jemborg, replace the "t" of poot with a "p" as that is what i thought at 1st.

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Good thing you didn't replace it with an "f".

:P

Pay for security ware ever again no thanks as for ff4 it better support in "all in one sidebar"

Re: Norton - While the Norton security suite isn't quite as bad as it used to be, it's still rather bloated, plus it indulges in rather questionable practices. Specifically, it'll quite often silently delete files it determines to be "viral", simply because no one in the cloud is using that software yet ("global whitelisting"). On the Norton forums, you can read page after page after... ad nauseam of software devs and business IT guys screaming bloody murder as Norton deletes half their company-specific code, especially if it (*gasp!*) uses any kind of encryption. It also will NOT respect user exclusions in these cases -.-' . That's simply inexcusable.

Re: Comodo - Yes, Comodo has spyware protection, both standalone and as part of its security suite. It's also built into the standalone AV.

Originally posted by Bozobub:

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Re: Norton - While the Norton security suite isn't quite as bad as it used to be, it's still rather bloated, plus it indulges in rather questionable practices. Specifically, it'll quite often silently delete files it determines to be "viral", simply because no one in the cloud is using that software yet ("global whitelisting"). On the Norton forums, you can read page after page after... ad nauseam of software devs and business IT guys screaming bloody murder as Norton deletes half their company-specific code, especially if it (*gasp!*) uses any kind of encryption. It also will NOT respect user exclusions in these cases -.-' . That's simply inexcusable.

Re: Comodo - Yes, Comodo has spyware protection, both standalone and as part of its security suite. It's also built into the standalone AV.

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Your right about Norton but they are not the only ones that do that, many do these days.

Comodo a year or so ago was horrible but their new interface is pretty good. I just installed the internet suite on a friends computer and save him $70 after cleaning out all of the spyware on his notebook and restoring his Desktop and personal folders which one of the malware programs hid. I use it on some of my PC's as well and at one time was using AVG free with the firewall from Comodo's suite but now Comodo is so good for a free package that I just use it and not AVG free with it anymore.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by Bozobub:

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Re: Norton - While the Norton security suite isn't quite as bad as it used to be, it's still rather bloated, plus it indulges in rather questionable practices. Specifically, it'll quite often silently delete files it determines to be "viral", simply because no one in the cloud is using that software yet ("global whitelisting"). On the Norton forums, you can read page after page after... ad nauseam of software devs and business IT guys screaming bloody murder as Norton deletes half their company-specific code, especially if it (*gasp!*) uses any kind of encryption. It also will NOT respect user exclusions in these cases -.-' . That's simply inexcusable.

Re: Comodo - Yes, Comodo has spyware protection, both standalone and as part of its security suite. It's also built into the standalone AV.

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Your right about Norton but they are not the only ones that do that, many do these days.

Comodo a year or so ago was horrible but their new interface is pretty good. I just installed the internet suite on a friends computer and save him $70 after cleaning out all of the spyware on his notebook and restoring his Desktop and personal folders which one of the malware programs hid. I use it on some of my PC's as well and at one time was using AVG free with the firewall from Comodo's suite but now Comodo is so good for a free package that I just use it and not AVG free with it anymore.

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Cheers, I went back and rechecked, I only had a hurried look b4 at the promo pages not the download ones.

You know Xplorer4, Bozobub, Mr-Movies, I'm really intrigued. I'd like to give Comodo a go... I assume it's fast and single engine?

But which one.... AV or Internet security? Are they the same resource-wise? The former seems to have a quarantine and the latter Malicious website filtering. I've had, for instance, had some game mod apps that have upset a couple of AVs in the past (till they were whitelisted).

I'm tempted to give the AV version a go as I already use WOT for Malicious website filtering and Sandboxie FF if I think it's appropriate (plus EasyPrivacy etc.). I'm not keen on having a file deleted without me having a look at it first. But I'd love to hear from you chaps as to your opinion.

I'm not worried about the SSL Certificate breach and I'm not surprised they were attacked. Comodo was pretty fast spotting it, to their credit, and once bitten...

For the record I suspect MS Security Essentials to be a bit bloaty and it certainly does not have those unique features of Comodo.


Mr-Movies... your friend's problem above reminded me of the times I've had to use Combofix in similar situations for clients. When all else fails it's worth a go. It's a DOS based solution for when you get something really nasty (probably a new mal) that cripples regular security apps. You still have to run an AV after. Have you heard of it? In case you haven't... always get the latest one, run it from your desktop, don't touch the mouse or keyboard unless it tells you to and always get it from BleepingComputer ~ http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/combofix/how-to-use-combofix.

Its saved those client's butts. And the times I used it, it did not delete any personal files ~ I believe that some people that have had that happen do not realise that they were hopelessly corrupted anyway; even if they appeared to be there before ComboFix was run.

Regards.


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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by Bozobub:

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Re: Norton - While the Norton security suite isn't quite as bad as it used to be, it's still rather bloated, plus it indulges in rather questionable practices. Specifically, it'll quite often silently delete files it determines to be "viral", simply because no one in the cloud is using that software yet ("global whitelisting"). On the Norton forums, you can read page after page after... ad nauseam of software devs and business IT guys screaming bloody murder as Norton deletes half their company-specific code, especially if it (*gasp!*) uses any kind of encryption. It also will NOT respect user exclusions in these cases -.-' . That's simply inexcusable.

Re: Comodo - Yes, Comodo has spyware protection, both standalone and as part of its security suite. It's also built into the standalone AV.

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Your right about Norton but they are not the only ones that do that, many do these days.

Comodo a year or so ago was horrible but their new interface is pretty good. I just installed the internet suite on a friends computer and save him $70 after cleaning out all of the spyware on his notebook and restoring his Desktop and personal folders which one of the malware programs hid. I use it on some of my PC's as well and at one time was using AVG free with the firewall from Comodo's suite but now Comodo is so good for a free package that I just use it and not AVG free with it anymore.

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Cheers, I went back and rechecked, I only had a hurried look b4 at the promo pages not the download ones.

You know Xplorer4, Bozobub, Mr-Movies, I'm really intrigued. I'd like to give Comodo a go... I assume it's fast and single engine?

But which one.... AV or Internet security? Are they the same resource-wise? The former seems to have a quarantine and the latter Malicious website filtering. I've had, for instance, had some game mod apps that have upset a couple of AVs in the past (till they were whitelisted).

I'm tempted to give the AV version a go as I already use WOT for Malicious website filtering and Sandboxie FF if I think it's appropriate (plus EasyPrivacy etc.). I'm not keen on having a file deleted without me having a look at it first. But I'd love to hear from you chaps as to your opinion.

I'm not worried about the SSL Certificate breach and I'm not surprised they were attacked. Comodo was pretty fast spotting it, to their credit, and once bitten...

For the record I suspect MS Security Essentials to be a bit bloaty and it certainly does not have those unique features of Comodo.


Mr-Movies... your friend's problem above reminded me of the times I've had to use Combofix in similar situations for clients. When all else fails it's worth a go. It's a DOS based solution for when you get something really nasty (probably a new mal) that cripples regular security apps. You still have to run an AV after. Have you heard of it? In case you haven't... always get the latest one, run it from your desktop, don't touch the mouse or keyboard unless it tells you to and always get it from BleepingComputer ~ http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/combofix/how-to-use-combofix.

Its saved those client's butts. And the times I used it, it did not delete any personal files ~ I believe that some people that have had that happen do not realise that they were hopelessly corrupted anyway; even if they appeared to be there before ComboFix was run.

Regards.


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If you think ms security is bloated your gonna love comodo *italics*,i've still got comodo firewall installed however it's antivirus is a joke & needs major work unless in the last 4 months they've fixed all the false positives,i gave it two days then got pissed off & uninstalled it even the firewall it's self can be a bugger,mind you i don't have a multi core comp so when cfp.exe uses 90% it's make a cuppa time..lol..

Ignor scorpNZ as Comodo has gotten much better, it's not perfect but it is free and for the free packages out there i.e., AVG/Avast it is the better in my opinion. Like I said before I wasn't a fan until recently and I've been playing with it for many years now.

Jemborg, Use the Internet Suite (Firewall/Antivirus) you can always choose to use either or both once installed and these days it is better to use both even if you are using sandbox tools or not. Don't install the community bs. I've heard of Combofix but have never used it but will check it out. Normally I just boot into safe mode or use the bootup command console if I need to take care of a real nasty but of course that doesn't always do the trick so it is nice to have other tools as well. The configuration tools can take a little to get use to and most stuff you'll find on the others tab if I recall correctly.

These days ALL protection suites are plagued with false positives "ALL" so that is hardly an arguement as I don't see Comodo being any worst than the rest of the pack. But that is why I use AVG IS, it's far from perfect but if I turn off Resident Shield and sometimes Identity Protection I avoid all of that nosense.

Only other thing i'll mention is get a imaging software there's no substitute for a backup when the proverbial hits the fan & in no particular order & the 3 that i can remember,there's two more freebies but their names escape me for now, however you need to create image files (image files are basicly shall we say an iso of our installed software only including partition layout & mbr) on different drives & whatever you do don't drop n drag an image as that's a sure fire way to get a corrupted transfer,nothing worse than a backup that fails to restore & yep that's from personal experience.
Acronis - commercial
Ghost - commercial
Easeus - free

@Mr Movies
I tried avast over a year ago man that thing would scan anything that loaded even web pages it was annoying waiting for it to finish,can't recall why i removed avg as for the false positives i mentioned that comodo antivirus threw up it wasn't normal pretty much every few seconds or so it even flagged IE amongst other normal xp files which others never did it made xp hard to work with & when cfp.exe would run at the same time the comp was un-responsive,changing the settings didn't do anything to help however once the antivirus was removed all was fine so it's good to hear they have curbed it's rigorousness..lmao

I agree about Avast every time I've played with it I remember why I don't use it. Comodo use to be a real resource hog they have streamlined it and in doing so there is less annoying alerts. There is something else I turn off that I haven't mentioned but I do it automatically when I see it and forget how they term it, which doesn't help here of course but if someone mentioned it the bell would ring.

I typically use TrueImage for my backup tool but you can also use Windows 7 image tool if you wanted a free tool. It definitely is nothing great and very limiting to how you backup or what you backup. Paragon also makes a backup tool as well as some others, I haven't played with Paragon's tool yet.

Yeah! Firefox 4 doesn't have the hotmail issue! Thank you very much for correcting this nasty issue developers ;)

Cheers Mr-Movies and ScorpNZ,

To be honest about MS Security Essentials 2, one old computer I put it on seemed to work fine but a couple of others not so good but they had been behaving strangely anyway, one was a netbook where it wouldn't install properly and the other , well, it was an old crappy Dell... nuff' said. Also there may be different versions of MSSE for XP and Win7 x64. The concensus is that it's not bad but not great, some think it's in it's early days ~ you can opt out of sending personal info now.

I'm primarily looking for a decent single virus and malware solution that I can install on client's pooters. One free and self-updating so I can set it and forget it. I headed over to cnet to check out a few reviews.

AVG was a real hog in the past... but that seems to have changed, it's pretty popular. Avast claims to have changed too, it's popular too but I read some pretty nasty comments. I could not get any info on Avira's currant anti-malware capacity so I assume that's unchanged, i.e. almost non-existant. Comodo still seems to be the go overall. Mr-Movies, does it's Internet Suite have a quarantine feature as well?

Everything I've read so far indicates that Vipre is still the best pay-for solution and the cheapest. AU$39.74 for a 1 year Unlimited Home Site License ~ if you enter the coupon code VIPRECHAT or PCANTIVIRUSREVIEWS. You could do all your mates' pooters as well. :)

It's ok with Spybot. Which I would still like to use for immunising FF (I think the last time I picked up spyware was when I tried Google's DoubleClick Installer, oops, I mean Chrome). Just don't use TeaTimer or scan at the same time. I don't think that I can automate the immunise process in Spybot- browsers have to be off- so it's not the solution for clients.

It's the solution for me though. I'll combine Vipre with Commodo Firewall as you spoke of it so highly Mr-M. Commodo Internet Suite or AVG I think for the clients.

I am in the process of backing up all my stuff anyway, getting set for a fresh OS install. I'll get onto an Partition Image app ~ I assume they can use a USB HDD?

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Yes, Comodo has a vault.

Vipre, I've tested it several times and you couldn't pay me to use it, it is horrible! It does its own thing and makes it very difficult to control. I've lost good files due to it because of its know-it-all approach so even if it was free I wouldn't suggest it.

Once again polls are a joke and the average person out there would tell you McCrappy and Norton are good, so that is certainly not an endorsement. For customers I always suggest or push Kaspersky IS as it truly seems to be the best. If you are a power user and create tweak tools then I would suggest AVG IS as you can turn off the Resident Shield & IPS and won't have to be worried about nags and removal/blockage of good tools the program would think was dangerous.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Yes, Comodo has a vault.

Vipre, I've tested it several times and you couldn't pay me to use it, it is horrible! It does its own thing and makes it very difficult to control. I've lost good files due to it because of its know-it-all approach so even if it was free I wouldn't suggest it.

Once again polls are a joke and the average person out there would tell you McCrappy and Norton are good, so that is certainly not an endorsement. For customers I always suggest or push Kaspersky IS as it truly seems to be the best. If you are a power user and create tweak tools then I would suggest AVG IS as you can turn off the Resident Shield & IPS and won't have to be worried about nags and removal/blockage of good tools the program would think was dangerous.

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Well, fair enough about Vipre.

I have one friend that just loves it, swears by it, he is usually a fairly good judge. And yeah on wifey's netbook (win7) I've tried it and it appears not bad...

But on another desktop it's locked the whole thing up when it starts a scan! Utter and total. Ok, there's a few problems with that XP OS.... it's just time for a clean OS reinstall, as I mentioned. I'll see how the new AVG goes on it in the meantime.

Unfortunately, Kaspersky is not free, though I know it's good.

Heh, ironically, as far as security goes we personally just hibernate the win7 netbook, boot up Puppy Distro from a SD card to do any financial stuff then reboot.

I'll keep an open mind for now and give the Vipre another chance on a fresh install, I may be able to get a handle on it... too many conflicting reports. Same as with motherboard manufacturers haha. I'll just have to suck it and see...

If Vipre works for you that's great and all that matters you are right it is a resource hog amongst other things. I still think you're better off with just one package and since Comodo is pretty decent I don't know why you would play with both but it is a good way to learn and see what you like better. Just don't have both anti-viruses working at the same time or two firewalls for that reason.

Speaking of that no matter what you use make sure Windows Firewall gets disabled as sometimes these security programs fail to shutdown Windows Firewall.

Good luck!

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Just don't have both anti-viruses working at the same time or two firewalls for that reason.

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I certainly didn't mean to give the impression I would. And I will double-check Win Firewall is disabled, I've been caught by that before.

I certainly hope I haven't sounded dismissive, it honestly has a good rep with, well, several people I know, who have not complained of missing deleted files and resource hogging and they are reasonably clued in too. Still, I may come a cropper, as they say, since I seem to get up to more "stuff" in general, I'll let you know if I do. I just want to give it a fair go.

I've heard it doesn't work with Comodo Firewall and Spybot anyway. Doesn't seem to complain about Clamwin and MBAM presence in their on-demand capacity.

I would also recommend Acronis if you were after an imaging app unfortunatly symatec have dropped the ball with ghost this time round & yeah you can save images anywhere you want even to dvd not that i'd recommend it, (saving to dvd that is)the thing is you will need two images of each on seperate hdd's,personally i create i think it's 6 one time images then create weekly throw way images as the first 5 i use as my base image set:
1-after install & no updates basicly a fresh install of windows (used as last resort or for major software changes)
2-add a few favourite apps that are light
3-Fully update
4-Add rest of software starting with most often used finishing with least used
5-final image after two weeks or so to make sure everything is stable & update any 3rd party sotware that requires it

If your wondering why i use the 5 images instead of just waiting till i've added all software & updates it's pretty much down to stability & if need be can start over without having to reinstall everything depending on which image i use

Edit: just for the record i have two of everything so i do practice what i preach well most of the time hehehe

I've already had lockups with Firefox 4. I believe Hotmail may have something to do with it to. This is really beginning to irritate me. I've been with hotmail since 2003...

I use TrueImage all the time and always backup to DVD-RW's or just DVD-R's and it works great, no scatches but again I'm not a putz I handle my discs with care just like hdd's or any other electrical device, in those cases I observe ESD. What I typically do is initially create my DVD size backup to the hdd and then burn them to disc afterwards but you don't have to do it that way.

I kind of figured there would be issues at first with FF4, not surprised...

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I would also recommend Acronis if you were after an imaging app unfortunatly symatec have dropped the ball with ghost this time round & yeah you can save images anywhere you want even to dvd not that i'd recommend it, (saving to dvd that is)the thing is you will need two images of each on seperate hdd's,personally i create i think it's 6 one time images then create weekly throw way images as the first 5 i use as my base image set:
1-after install & no updates basicly a fresh install of windows (used as last resort or for major software changes)
2-add a few favourite apps that are light
3-Fully update
4-Add rest of software starting with most often used finishing with least used
5-final image after two weeks or so to make sure everything is stable & update any 3rd party sotware that requires it

If your wondering why i use the 5 images instead of just waiting till i've added all software & updates it's pretty much down to stability & if need be can start over without having to reinstall everything depending on which image i use

Edit: just for the record i have two of everything so i do practice what i preach well most of the time hehehe

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Well, that is rather a lot, I would have thought starting at the third stage would be sufficient since the SP1 update.

Significantly, one thing I've had problems with is the optional updates (most notably wireless adapter drivers) they are often outdated or just bugger up. I'll check out what they suggest but I'd rather get those drivers etc. from the maker's sites. One guy I know thought his new eMachine netbook was "g" wireless only lol.

I personally have not had any significant problems with the new FF4 yet. I've completely configured it's interface to a new lean mean look which is especially nice for the netbook. Shame about your hotmail woes Omegaman7. Is it possible to try a new service and pop your Hotmail through?



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I suppose I could have my emails forwarded from hotmail to a new address. I'll give them a little more time :p I wonder about the problem being M$'s. See...it seems to refresh on it's own at regular intervals. That way I don't have to click inbox to see if I have new mail. It updates itself in real time. Obviously they have bugs to work out. I wonder if an SSD would help with this problem. Given the Latency of Solid State Disks, it'd be an interesting experiment. But it may simply be effecting firefox for all I know. I know it's not as bad as 3.6 was. So maybe they're well on their way :)

It's not a good idea to use Microsofts recomended drivers for your hardware, they have screwed me many times over and the few times they are the correct driver, so it doesn't warrant taking the chance.

I don't see how Micro$ofts drivers relate to this? I logon to hotmail via Firefox. I've also had Chrome lockup as well. I really wonder what they did to hotmail. It started a few months ago.

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I don't see how Micro$ofts drivers relate to this? I logon to hotmail via Firefox. I've also had Chrome lockup as well. I really wonder what they did to hotmail. It started a few months ago.

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Significantly, one thing I've had problems with is the optional updates (most notably wireless adapter drivers) they are often outdated or just bugger up. I'll check out what they suggest but I'd rather get those drivers etc. from the maker's sites. One guy I know thought his new eMachine netbook was "g" wireless only lol.

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Originally posted by omegaman7:

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I don't see how Micro$ofts drivers relate to this? I logon to hotmail via Firefox. I've also had Chrome lockup as well. I really wonder what they did to hotmail. It started a few months ago.

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Sorry for the confusion Omega. The first part of my post #57 was a reply to ScorpNZ concerning his backup practices (see its included quote). The part about the updating and drivers was in reference to that.

The last paragraph was addressed to you primarily... I know it's contentious (re: privacy) but I use Gmail. No lockups with FF4 yet. With Adblock Plus I don't get bothered their ads. It's a pretty functional real-time updating online mail service with many handy features and you could easily pop your Hotmail through.

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Originally posted by omegaman7:

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I don't see how Micro$ofts drivers relate to this? I logon to hotmail via Firefox. I've also had Chrome lockup as well. I really wonder what they did to hotmail. It started a few months ago.

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Sorry for the confusion Omega. The first part of my post #57 was a reply to ScorpNZ concerning his backup practices (see its included quote). The part about the updating and drivers was in reference to that.

The last paragraph was addressed to you primarily... I know it's contentious (re: privacy) but I use Gmail. No lockups with FF4 yet. With Adblock Plus I don't get bothered their ads. It's a pretty functional real-time updating online mail service with many handy features and you could easily pop your Hotmail through.

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Thanks man. I could be tempted here real soon.

No problems here with Hotmail nor Gmail thru FF4.0, across my various machines. Am glad that AdBlock Plus is working, can't tolerate surfing anywhere without it, i simply cannot abide adverts distracting me or trying to sneak malware my way.

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No problems here with Hotmail nor Gmail thru FF4.0, across my various machines. Am glad that AdBlock Plus is working, can't tolerate surfing anywhere without it, i simply cannot abide adverts distracting me or trying to sneak malware my way.

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Likewise. You know about the subscription (Rick's) EasyPrivacy as well as the EasyList one? It's at it's home page here.

How ever many lists you add (e.g.Fanboy), it's easy to head into AB+'s preferences hit the "!" on the table and look for doubling up... look for the snails. Interesting to hit "hits" too. Love the way it just blocks them from downloading not just prevents them from being displayed.


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Thanks, i was only using the default subscription, didn't realise there were other lists. I'll 'set and forget' the extra list subscriptions

Me too, that's great thanks twice...

I just upgraded and it is much faster, sweet!

So far I like it better I'll have to play with FF today more...

Poor old Rick. He is an unsung saint of the interwebz, may he rest in peace. Tearing down the billboards and exposing the scenery on the great information superhighway. Hoisting the sails of understanding and riding the pirate ship of truth. May he get a condo on the beer volcano and unlimited credit at the stripper factory. Ramen.

At least his good work carries on.

FF4 crashes way too easy. Videos I can play in IE, Avant, Chrome, and Iron with no ploblem at all but crash FF4. Great programming as usual Mozilla. Looks like if I want to use FF I need to go back to 3.6x.

Crap, I am going to have to remove AVG before it compromises my XP setup further. Great, another few hours wasted while I try to piece it all back together. What a mess. :/



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I use AVG because it's not intrusive, do you have Resident Shield enabled? I always disable that and sometimes IPS as well.

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I use AVG because it's not intrusive, do you have Resident Shield enabled? I always disable that and sometimes IPS as well.

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Yes, that's disabled now. Wish it was a bit easier to create exceptions i.e. just asks me if I want it to be whitelisted. It's a lean mean false-positive machine. If I ditch it I may be able to recover what's not been vaulted. I suppose I will have to run FF Sanboxied. What's IPS?

I just don't have the time for this malarky, I'm so flat out nowadays.

Is it Flash playing you're having problems with, like YouTube etc.? On my old "needs a clean reinstall" XP I have heaps of probs with it. But none with Win7.



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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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I use AVG because it's not intrusive, do you have Resident Shield enabled? I always disable that and sometimes IPS as well.

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Yes, that's disabled now. Wish it was a bit easier to create exceptions i.e. just asks me if I want it to be whitelisted. It's a lean mean false-positive machine. If I ditch it I may be able to recover what's not been vaulted. I suppose I will have to run FF Sanboxied. What's IPS?

I just don't have the time for this malarky, I'm so flat out nowadays.

Is it Flash playing you're having problems with, like YouTube etc.? On my old "needs a clean reinstall" XP I have heaps of probs with it. But none with Win7.



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IPS is Identification Protect but the key one is RS as it scans active folders your in or things you open realtime. If you disable these features you should go into Tools/Advanced Settings/Ignore Faulty Conditions and turn off notifications for those.

In Advanced Settings you can setup exceptions as well, AVG is confusing in that area and like you I think they should ask you what you want to do at the time however there are those that prefer the way AVG handles it now, people that don't know better that is.

Yes it is Flash that is crashing FF!

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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I use AVG because it's not intrusive, do you have Resident Shield enabled? I always disable that and sometimes IPS as well.

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Yes, that's disabled now. Wish it was a bit easier to create exceptions i.e. just asks me if I want it to be whitelisted. It's a lean mean false-positive machine. If I ditch it I may be able to recover what's not been vaulted. I suppose I will have to run FF Sanboxied. What's IPS?

I just don't have the time for this malarky, I'm so flat out nowadays.

Is it Flash playing you're having problems with, like YouTube etc.? On my old "needs a clean reinstall" XP I have heaps of probs with it. But none with Win7.



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IPS is Identification Protect but the key one is RS as it scans active folders your in or things you open realtime. If you disable these features you should go into Tools/Advanced Settings/Ignore Faulty Conditions and turn off notifications for those.

In Advanced Settings you can setup exceptions as well, AVG is confusing in that area and like you I think they should ask you what you want to do at the time however there are those that prefer the way AVG handles it now, people that don't know better that is.

Yes it is Flash that is crashing FF!

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"Well thar's ya problem!". Bloody Flash. Primary reason I'm doing a clean install, just can't seem to fix it. I just can't seem to find any actual helpful info on it either... anywhere! You're the only other person I've found with the problem it seems.

Re AVG: Crikey, it's even listed Drive_Vaccine_PC_Restore_Plus and an Avira installer as suspect/vaulted. DVPC+ was paid for (for a community centre PC setup). I can understand why but isn't that a "I'm not sure so I'll vault/knobble it then". I'd hate to know less (and I don't claim to be an expert) and be wondering why programs I'd paid for are disappearing. What if I'd actually had it installed?

Think I opted out of IPS in the AVG install.