Microsoft unveils Windows 8

Just allow me to have a NORMAL User Interface, please.

Uhhh. I scrolled past this thinking it was something about windows mobile 7 ... what is this crap?

Did you guys even watch the video? This OS looks FANTASTIC, seriously.

Double post, somehow.

I watched the video. I don't really like the ui. Seems like a cluttered mess. I do like how the snap works here though.

uGGH...It looks terrible...and it looks worse after watching the video.

"The goal of the OS, Microsoft says, is for users to have the same great experience whether they are on a tablet or on a desktop."

What? Tablets have terrible user experiences, and M$ tablets are the worse of the bunch...you want to bring that experience to PC?

...And those apps; he made a big point out of the fact that they can access files on the hard drive and the LAN? Apps could do that in windows 3.1!

Thankfully, it appears that you can turn off all the bulls**t and just use it as windows...although I am not sure why you couldn't just use windows 7 for that.

This new UI seems similar to Window Media Center as its an added interface over the existing OS UI to access the media content (video/music) except Windows 8 allows access to all types of content.

er...Window OS SUCK

okay tablets are cool and so are the operating systems they run

but for gods sake design tablet os's around tablet features and desktop pc's around desktop features and not cross them

i like the windows phone 7 ui on the phone but not on a desktop

right now i'm kinda pissed at the way mac and windows development is going and will probably stick with win 7 and mac 10.6

Well i am sure there must be more to windows 8 then what that video shows but from my first impression I will be using windows 7 until windows 9 comes out.

Recent M$ consumer operating system releases:

Windows 2000 - The first consumer form of NT; it was great other than a lack of a 64-bit version
Windows ME - The worst of all the Win9x variants.
Windows XP - Almost as good as 2000, and with a 64bit version...once Windows 2000 drivers got rare, XP became king.
Windows Vista - The worst of all the NT variants with the possible exception of 3.5
Windows 7 - The best x64 Windows ever made

What does the pattern up to this point tell you about Windows 8?

NOT upgrading. Ever.

If I had a 52" Touch screen I may use this, but I like Win 7 and OSX so if this is what M$ is going to be pusing looks like Mac will have all of my business.

No reason to give Mac your business...OSX might be better than windows 8, but it isn't better than windows 7. For that matter, Ubuntu is better than OSX; if offers a lot more capabilities than OSX, with (mostly) the same limitations as OSX. OSX doesn't even support bluray...that is just pathetic. Oh, and Ubuntu is free, with free updates...forever.

Personally I'm looking forward to it because I'm ready for a new Windows makeover. As much as I like Windows 7 and how well it works this looks like something new not just another facelift. I don't understand all the negativity and pessimism about this. Change is inevitable. As with any product you have a choice of purchasing it or not. I see it as a new option that some will like and some won't. Don't like it don't use it. It's interesting how change activates the fear response in some people. With fear comes anger and hatred. Looking for more optimism in this world...

Originally posted by evohold:

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Personally I'm looking forward to it because I'm ready for a new Windows makeover. As much as I like Windows 7 and how well it works this looks like something new not just another facelift. I don't understand all the negativity and pessimism about this. Change is inevitable. As with any product you have a choice of purchasing it or not. I see it as a new option that some will like and some won't. Don't like it don't use it. It's interesting how change activates the fear response in some people. With fear comes anger and hatred. Looking for more optimism in this world...

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seems quite nice to me.

ugly ugly ugly damn you microsoft

@ST2006 if everyone thought like that we would still be on windows XP we have to move with the technology now.

This is a really bad User Interface and works better for a Mobile phone or Tablet, but not for a Desktop/Laptop.

Windows 3+ = was better than using DOS, but still sucked.
Windows 95 = sucked but was a new style of OS from the old OS 3+ era.
Windows 98 = was at least better than OS 95 but was somewhat more stable.
Windows ME = horrible OS
Windows XP = was ok but had it faults
Windows Vista = was horrible
Windows 7 = was the best improvement they ever made
Windows 8 = horrible interface design and not thinking of Desktop/Laptop interface.

As we all know they make one good OS and then the next one sucks. So that is why Windows 8 will fail as we can see from the video and the timeline above. Stick with Windows 7 or wait for them to create Windows 9 immediately after 8 because they will receive a lot of complaints from peeople

I don't like how they have the tablet style OS start first. They should let users have a choice to have the old style OS or the new tablet styled start up. I don't have a touch screen for my desktop computers and it seems that it would be a bigger pain to navigate the new tablet interface of Windows 8 with a mouse and keyboard. Those with a touch screen would love this, big icons and lots of finger gestures to make work quick, again mouse and keyboard probably not so much.

Windows 8 looks very nice as for UI, but sorry i need to get my work done. The pretty look and feel will definitely be as much of a pain in the ass as it looks pretty. If i want to arrange windows i'm going to need to drag, pause, wait and only then get what i wanted to do... With a mouse today i do that in less then a second, now you will probably need to wait 2 or 3 seconds and hope the window will be arranged as i wanted it?

I think someone else mentioned this looks great for a win 7 phone UI, or for a mobile device, but not a PC.

Seriously, this looks terrible.
This would be acceptable on a phone or tablet.
But on a netbook, laptop, or desktop? Hell no.

I've seen a quite a few tablet and PMP ui's, and I've always, always thought, I'd much rather have a "lite" version of Windows 7 OS instead. I've found most portable device UIs "useable", but far from "likeable". Perhaps that's just me? But I really don't like this.

Don't base all your opinions from this article. There is more info out there about Windows 8.

For example: “We also showed effortless movement between existing Windows programs and new Windows 8 apps. The full capabilities of Windows continue to be available to you, including the Windows Explorer and Desktop, as does compatibility with all Windows 7 logo PCs, software and peripherals.”- microsoft

You can still use it like the Windows 7 if you choose. I would enjoy being able to switch between both for different uses.

It seems what is shown gives on enough of what Win8's flavor and design is. From that point i think we all have seen enough to see it tastes like chocolate (for example). After this i don't care what variant you might have light chocolate, dark, bakers, semi-sweet, milk chocolate.... Point is if you don't like a flavor other variations of it would still be something you don't like.

This looks AWESOME a touch interface for windows 7 brilliant!!
Nice way to shaft us M$... I mean I really do like it but come on we all know its just windows 7 touch edition

OS companies should stop worrying about the interface of their products. They should instead concentrate on the performance and the capabilities of their systems to make them more productive. Stop reinventing the wheel.

As for a tablet interface it looks perfect, but that does not mean that the desktop and laptops should get that enabled on default.

I think a big part of the issue is that microsoft has forgotten that some people use PCs for things that you can't do with a tablet. Then again, it is no secret that tablets will be replacing PCs in many homes in the coming years, and that the devices that we call PCs today will become rather rare; especially as cloud capabilities improve. It is possible that Microsoft is actually thinking of leaving the traditional PC sphere; as tablets take more of the industry, versions of windows for traditional PC hardware will make less and less money; they might just dump PC and let Linux gobble up the last few crumbs of the market.

As long as all the crap in the video is just something like media center, where it can be turned off or even completely removed, I won't hold it all against them...but the video seemed to make it look like explorer is a program running within the new UI.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Recent M$ consumer operating system releases:

Windows 2000 - The first consumer form of NT; it was great other than a lack of a 64-bit version
Windows ME - The worst of all the Win9x variants.
Windows XP - Almost as good as 2000, and with a 64bit version...once Windows 2000 drivers got rare, XP became king.
Windows Vista - The worst of all the NT variants with the possible exception of 3.5
Windows 7 - The best x64 Windows ever made

What does the pattern up to this point tell you about Windows 8?

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I'm actually thrilled to see the functionality and style of this shell. I'm currently using the Omnimo 3 skin for Rainmeter on Windows 7, and it looks fairly similar to this (google it). I was skeptical at first about the functionality of such a UI, but with a bit of customization, including macroing 3D document flip, as well as Logitech's application switcher, to my mouse, I effectively rendered the taskbar useless and put it on autohide to give a sleek seemless UI. After all, on a daily basis most users simply sit down at their desk, open their browser, facebook, google, games, media, etc, all of which can easily be accessed by such an interface, and tiles can be included for more advanced options, such as RSS feeds, CPU/GPU/Memory monitors, comp manager, regedit, event viewer, etc. As long as Microsoft makes this shell customizable, or at least somewhat flexible, I have great expectations.

I don't see anything wrong with Windows 8.
Microsoft is just trying to catch up with the rest of the world.
The video is very funny though. A really 'out of it' baldheaded guy saying things like we're going to show you some "really cool stuff" in a room that looks like a dump with a huge large screen TV monitor.
God bless them, it takes real balls to be that clueless and proud of it.

If you want a Windows desktop you'll stick with Vista or 7. If you want a newer operating system you'll buy a Mac or swap to Linux, If you want a tablet you'll buy one running a Tablet OS. Who are they selling this to?

Did you dudes honestly all go to WiNDOWS 7 already..? Personally i can't stand the OS, and usually find myself still using XP SP2 lol XD...i mean...the os sucks...i cant stand its taskbar, and the pointless bloatware included..just my opinion tho..feel free to play directx-11 only games! i guess thats one place im missing out, but lucky me, there hasn't been a game that is directx 10/11 exclusive that i even wanna play.

Windows 7 is a great OS. I have never had one problem with it and I do some pretty intensive work on it. It is the best OS that Microsoft has put out.
Windows 8 to me has a lot of promise. MS is catching up in the tablet market and making its OS tablet friendly. I can admire that and see its potential.
But for my needs, it isn't important. It needs to be as stable as Win7 and hopefully has some improvements in stability, speed, and security. Getting my customers to use Win8 because it has these tablet enhancements won't be a big sell. What will sell is improvements in the OS that will help them work more efficiently. I am interested in what else they have planned for Windows 8.

Taking example on a UI that failed to sell more than 1% of the smartphone market is indeed a very dumb thing to do. Hail to another Vista. Myself, will wait for Windows 9 to upgrade, this would be when they will have noticed their mistake!

Originally posted by DVDBack23:

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Did you guys even watch the video? This OS looks FANTASTIC, seriously.

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jimbucc,
Windows 7 is a great OS. I have never had one problem with it and I do some pretty intensive work on it. It is the best OS that Microsoft has put out.

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by DVDBack23:

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Did you guys even watch the video? This OS looks FANTASTIC, seriously.

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I did and yes it looks like crap!

I saw some beta shots before this tile garbage and thought wow that might be nice but there is no way I'll move to this Start menu tile shat, no way! And I garantee you businesses won't be interested in this shat either!!

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Windows 7 is a great OS. I have never had one problem with it and I do some pretty intensive work on it. It is the best OS that Microsoft has put out.

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No, Windows 7 has problems several as a matter of fact but it is a good OS over all. XP is hands down the best MS OS to date.

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Microsoft, NO. Bad Microsoft.

I've always found it strange how some people are so scared of change that they will bash what they do not know. Windows 7 is the best MSFT operating system to date, period. Windows XP was great but it is now 10 years old, it is time to move on. Let's be honest here, as well, Vista had its annoyances but it was not "the devil" people claim it to be. Most people who bashed it never owned it, let alone tried it. If you had a dual-core computer with 2GB RAM and removed the UAC, chances are you didn't have too many problems with Vista.

Windows 8 is moving where the world is moving, touch + social. It is time to embrace change. Is it really so hard to do ONE extra click to get back to your regular computer desktop from the Win 8 start screen? No. That extra millisecond will likely not make a difference in anyone's life, yet brings a host of new options and widgets.

I am not a Microsoft fanboy by any means (I think they are a poorly run company that has killed value for their shareholders for years now) but Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 will be hits. The timeframe for that WP7 statement is up for debate, however.

1 word: GARBAGE

Originally posted by hearme0:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by DVDBack23:

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Did you guys even watch the video? This OS looks FANTASTIC, seriously.

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I did and yes it looks like crap!

I saw some beta shots before this tile garbage and thought wow that might be nice but there is no way I'll move to this Start menu tile shat, no way! And I garantee you businesses won't be interested in this shat either!!

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jimbucc,
Windows 7 is a great OS. I have never had one problem with it and I do some pretty intensive work on it. It is the best OS that Microsoft has put out.

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No, Windows 7 has problems several as a matter of fact but it is a good OS over all. XP is hands down the best MS OS to date.

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And....your comment is clearly biased and without merit and just lame. Show your experience buddy. I'm 37 and have been in IT solidly since 98 and can say without question that while XP was a great system, Win7 is by far more effective, stable and proficient at "today's computing".

Go blow.

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TELL IT LIKE IT IS MR-MOVIES...



XP-4-LiFE...YOU CAN RUN XP ON A FAST COMPUTER YOU KNOW...LIKE ME HEHE..

Originally posted by DVDBack23:

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I've always found it strange how some people are so scared of change that they will bash what they do not know. Windows 7 is the best MSFT operating system to date, period. Windows XP was great but it is now 10 years old, it is time to move on. Let's be honest here, as well, Vista had its annoyances but it was not "the devil" people claim it to be. Most people who bashed it never owned it, let alone tried it. If you had a dual-core computer with 2GB RAM and removed the UAC, chances are you didn't have too many problems with Vista.

Windows 8 is moving where the world is moving, touch + social. It is time to embrace change. Is it really so hard to do ONE extra click to get back to your regular computer desktop from the Win 8 start screen? No. That extra millisecond will likely not make a difference in anyone's life, yet brings a host of new options and widgets.

I am not a Microsoft fanboy by any means (I think they are a poorly run company that has killed value for their shareholders for years now) but Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 will be hits. The timeframe for that WP7 statement is up for debate, however.

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I hope you can disable the WP7 tiles for regular desktops for a Win Vista/7 feel.
The "snap" looks cool though - just hope it supports multiple monitors!

Originally posted by jackalguy:

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Originally posted by DVDBack23:

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I've always found it strange how some people are so scared of change that they will bash what they do not know. Windows 7 is the best MSFT operating system to date, period. Windows XP was great but it is now 10 years old, it is time to move on. Let's be honest here, as well, Vista had its annoyances but it was not "the devil" people claim it to be. Most people who bashed it never owned it, let alone tried it. If you had a dual-core computer with 2GB RAM and removed the UAC, chances are you didn't have too many problems with Vista.

Windows 8 is moving where the world is moving, touch + social. It is time to embrace change. Is it really so hard to do ONE extra click to get back to your regular computer desktop from the Win 8 start screen? No. That extra millisecond will likely not make a difference in anyone's life, yet brings a host of new options and widgets.

I am not a Microsoft fanboy by any means (I think they are a poorly run company that has killed value for their shareholders for years now) but Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 will be hits. The timeframe for that WP7 statement is up for debate, however.

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Agree 100%. I find it baffling that people still insist that XP was -- and always will be -- the greatest OS of all time. I can count on one hand how many times Windows 7 x64 or Vista x64 have BSOD'd on me, and I build systems, so the majority have been from overclocking. XP on the other hand... It goes back to the point about your hardware. Of course operating systems going forward are going to utilize higher end hardware, that's just the evolution of technology. If you don't own that higher end hardware, you can't use that as an excuse to bash an operating system you can't optimize.

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I like the interface the way it is. Windows 7 is awesome, 8 is not. I probably won't even do beta testing. But who knows. I've probably only seen a small percentage of the capabilities ;) And if it's even less of a resource hog, I find that interesting. But Linux is also NOT very resource intensive. Never tried it though. I really should :S

Originally posted by omegaman7:

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I like the interface the way it is. Windows 7 is awesome, 8 is not. I probably won't even do beta testing. But who knows. I've probably only seen a small percentage of the capabilities ;) And if it's even less of a resource hog, I find that interesting. But Linux is also NOT very resource intensive. Never tried it though. I really should :S

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Win8 how about at least finishing work on Win7. The Directx SDK is still only able to program for DirectX9 although Win7 uses DirectX11. I would think that achieving compatibility between the OS and development environments should be a first priority. Why force programmers to desert MS for something like SlimDX.

god know why MS hit the console market. they should of just put the pc gaming on the map. hope this new OS will move gaming on the pc forward..

Originally posted by sasrob:

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god know why MS hit the console market. they should of just put the pc gaming on the map. hope this new OS will move gaming on the pc forward..

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I don't game much myself, but it's nice to have a machine that can, when I want to :p

Originally posted by omegaman7:

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I don't game much myself, but it's nice to have a machine that can, when I want to :p

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by jackalguy:

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Originally posted by DVDBack23:

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I've always found it strange how some people are so scared of change that they will bash what they do not know. Windows 7 is the best MSFT operating system to date, period. Windows XP was great but it is now 10 years old, it is time to move on. Let's be honest here, as well, Vista had its annoyances but it was not "the devil" people claim it to be. Most people who bashed it never owned it, let alone tried it. If you had a dual-core computer with 2GB RAM and removed the UAC, chances are you didn't have too many problems with Vista.

Windows 8 is moving where the world is moving, touch + social. It is time to embrace change. Is it really so hard to do ONE extra click to get back to your regular computer desktop from the Win 8 start screen? No. That extra millisecond will likely not make a difference in anyone's life, yet brings a host of new options and widgets.

I am not a Microsoft fanboy by any means (I think they are a poorly run company that has killed value for their shareholders for years now) but Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 will be hits. The timeframe for that WP7 statement is up for debate, however.

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Agree 100%. I find it baffling that people still insist that XP was -- and always will be -- the greatest OS of all time. I can count on one hand how many times Windows 7 x64 or Vista x64 have BSOD'd on me, and I build systems, so the majority have been from overclocking. XP on the other hand... It goes back to the point about your hardware. Of course operating systems going forward are going to utilize higher end hardware, that's just the evolution of technology. If you don't own that higher end hardware, you can't use that as an excuse to bash an operating system you can't optimize.

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Totally wrong and I build and support people in business and homes. Windows 7 will BSOD just as easily as XP but even worst if your System partition gets corrupt. Then you'll spend possibly hours trying to recover which may or may not be successful. There are many other negatives as well about Seven which I could go into but I'm sure it would be wasted time as you are most probably enamored by pretty more than stability. XP went well over a decade that is unheard of in the past and totally supports the statement that XP is the best OS so far.

I don't use XP anymore with exception to VM's and I like Seven for the most part but that doesn't make Seven better just because it has new features. We will see how long Seven lasts but I doubt it will be more than 10 years.

I always hate people that like something based on the fact it is new, just because it is new! :)

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Originally posted by gilboa:

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Originally posted by omegaman7:

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I don't game much myself, but it's nice to have a machine that can, when I want to :p

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I am more concerned that my work on HDTV multimedia development is impeded by the lack of development tools equivalent to the operating system. Win7 is great. DirectX9 and the SDK which developers are limited to requires targeting 32 bit processors. The only development solution for 64bit is SlimDX. Microsoft has to support development equivalent to their OS. They should finish their work on Win7 before pushing out Win8. One of the great powers of XP was the development that continued over a long period of time!

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by gilboa:

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Originally posted by omegaman7:

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I don't game much myself, but it's nice to have a machine that can, when I want to :p

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I am more concerned that my work on HDTV multimedia development is impeded by the lack of development tools equivalent to the operating system. Win7 is great. DirectX9 and the SDK which developers are limited to requires targeting 32 bit processors. The only development solution for 64bit is SlimDX. Microsoft has to support development equivalent to their OS. They should finish their work on Win7 before pushing out Win8. One of the great powers of XP was the development that continued over a long period of time!

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You mean like they did going from Vista to 7? This whole mess is getting Vista to what it should have been in the first place. If MS wasn't so big and had better management we wouldn't have this mess to begin with.

Now on the other hand it really shouldn't be MS's place for developement kits for programming. Good program packages should provide their own kits that run on multiple platforms. This is partially what is wrong with the new .NET style of programming.

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Originally posted by DVDBack23:

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Did you guys even watch the video? This OS looks FANTASTIC, seriously.

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Hey nice video Microsoft

Does this mean if i run out buy Windows 8 you will give me a free touch screen monitor? What percent of users has a touch screen mmmm less then 10% . Lets go back to when windows was designed for the average user and you actually cared for what we wanted .Its bad enough you put crap within windows now that i would never use even in the basic version. lets go back to windows 3.1 now there was a new generation born and it was useful. Did not use much space on hard drive,hardly any resources were used and oh yes less sloppiness on the programmers side who valued hard drive space.Now it seems fit that you want to use as much as our hard drives with your sloppy programming, even your updates are are sloppy.When you send an update out Mr Microsoft we do not need another one to patch the bloody update you just sent us. NEW CONCEPT MR MICROSOFT A decent operating system that allows our computer resources to be used other then running your sloppy programmed WINDOWS.

Anthony

What a fugly POS! They've got to be kidding.

M$ finally got it right with Windows 7, now they're going to ruin their desktop OS in the next version?

No way I will buy that. I'll stick with Windows 7 and Linux.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this, but it's my understanding that this is simply an optional shell, and not the only option for the GUI. So all of this freaking out seems much ado about nothing, quite frankly. If you don't like the WP7-esque interface, don't use it. Good thing you have options, right?

I heard the same. The video in this unveiling is simply an option for the OS. Something they probably hope will spread like wild fire. But I"m sure most techies will not use this feature as much as MS hopes they will. I'm sure there are tens of thousands who will use the feature, but the majority probably won't. Windows 7 is just fine. It has the right bling factor, and it isn't TOO resource intensive. If Windows 8 can run in a windows 7 mode, I'll rethink my previous statement. Because if it uses even less resources, it's a no brainer to upgrade ;) I have multiple programs that would benefit from windows using less Ram/Cpu cycles.

Originally posted by ROMaster2:

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Just allow me to have a NORMAL User Interface, please.

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This type of interface does have it's purposes, but on a desktop? I don't think so. Unless a person is addicted to that type of style. Myself, I like the classic start menu, windows, searches, etc. I could be just as happy with XP, given a few tweaks. But windows 7 does have built in speech recognition. And it does work fairly well. I run it fairly often. I must admit though, Dragon naturally speaking is slightly better at least! Perhaps I'm simply used to that coding though. The way the commands are dictated and what not.
That settles it. I'm gonna have to test the beta! :D I can't judge an OS that hasn't been fully tested!

don't like the tablet interface? well just turn it off then. lol

Well I certainly hope it can be turned off, cause I sure as hell don't want the tablet crap on my pc, and if 8 is suppose to be this big new thing why not also advertise what the pc interface will look like, I would have stated it as what at tablet interface will look like with W8 and would have been specific about it, now show us what the pc will look like, and if this is what we will be stuck with on pc's also than W8 get take a flyer.

Dont care for the way they changed applications and it does not do anything for an OS except add a few new accessorys to the program so why buy it as an operating system. Just sell it as an application or give it free to existing windows 7 users and make a new more perfect OS to actually surpase Windows 7 before releasing it.

looks slick. now if only my desktop or laptop had touchscreens

It seems to me MS has a hidden agenda and is trying to compete/take over the android market. Ain't gonna happen.

I love his statement in the video. "It will work on desktop PC's as well if that's what you happen to have." (paraphrasing.)

If that's what you happen to have??? Only the majority of business and consumers around the world use desktops and or laptops. Hello!

But...If you can turn the bling off, so what. Then hopefully it will be similar to Windows 7 and run faster.

Can't form an opinion yet. Not enough info. Although, I have to admit, I kind of liked the bling. Yet I don't have a touchscreen PC and certainly can't see myself fondling my monitors all day over using a mouse. Ridiculous!

Just one more nail in MS coffin and why I am keeping Windows XP where I have more control of my pC

^ AMEN Opus54 !!! HAiL XP !!! DEATH TO ViSTA, 7, 8, 9, 10, ETC...

i HAVE AN iDEA, TAKE XP...AND REWORK IT AND MAKE A ''TRUE'' NEW OS...THATS ACTUALLY DECENT...gosh people are sheeples nowadays...they will buy anything NEW NEW NEW...f--k that sh1t man..

Sorry, it's not because it's new. I like the way windows 7 works. Gaming is far more smooth with 7 than XP. THough there are probably workarounds for XP. I have nothing against XP though, at the same time :p

I'm convinced half the people blindly insisting on XP's superiority on this thread have nfc what they're talking about. I'm sorry for being so forthright, but come on. If I were to have a serious discussion with a fellow tech and he was unwilling to install Windows 7 on new PC builds because of some dogmatic attachment to XP, I'd probably distance myself from him for professional embarrassment.

Blindly? I don't think so, I just built a new PC and am doing just fine with XP, it's all about preference and needs, having 7 is gonna do what for me that I can't do with XP, plus the fact I can still run all my apps, software and hardware without having any issues that 7 can bring, so I guess were suppose to go buy something that's not needed, buy new hardware etc. e.g. my printers cause I have several PC's in the house, so I'm suppose to be embarrassed, I for one distance myself from comments like this, each to thier own, I guess it's suppose to make me smarter cause I'm suppose to go out and buy everything new, yeah right.

And when 8 comes out I guess your gonna run out and get that too huh! that to me is embarassing, If your that happy with 7 more power to you, but I wouldn't go bashing people that are happy and doing just fine with what they have, besides I know quite a few techies that used 7 and went back, I even had a couple of them offer me thiers if I was intersted, I said no thanks, and they went back pretty much for the same reasons I stated, the advantages are minor, complications with older devises major, and yes we are happy and still doing fine with our older equipment, if that makes us un-cool than so be it, but having extra cash in my pocket makes me smarter.

the problem with XP is intrinsic, If your XP system is online and not hacked then you're in the 0.009% of ppl with a clean install.
I took a long time to warm to 7,(especially after vista!) I never wanted it, but I was forced to when I couldn't get XP 64bit (as it has been long since discontinued), having just built a new 64 bit PC (That I wanted to use properly) .
Initially I hated not being able to find/configure things as I was used to. But then I began to see the advantages and the good planning/architecture.

If your on an older PC with XP and you don't mind the performance decrease and supporting hacker's bot-armies when ur online (Unless you run a number of high-maintenance, resource-hungry security apps that are worse than the disease) Then perhaps save ur money, I know I'm doing this with a couple of my older machines that are either offline and/or mission critical (with older apps that would be a massive pain to migrate, and may not do so as they use very old drivers/API's etc..)

In short, anyone who doesn't see the advantages of win 7 hasn't tried it properly or doesn't understand IT technology as well as they think (No offence in to anyone in particular)


Brgds/Dan

Originally posted by FredBun:

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Blindly? I dont think so, I just built a new PC and am doing just fine with XP, its all about preference and needs, having 7 is gonna do what for me that I cant do with XP, plus the fact I can still run all my apps, software and hardware without having any issues that 7 can bring, so I guess were suppose to go buy something thats not needed, buy new hardware etc. e.g. my printers cause I have several PCs in the house, so Im suppose to be embarrassed, I for one distance myself from comments like this, each to thier own, I guess its suppose to make me smarter cause Im suppose to go out and buy everything new, yeah right.

And when 8 comes out I guess your gonna run out and get that too huh! that to me is embarassing, If your that happy with 7 more power to you, but I wouldnt go bashing people that are happy and doing just fine with what they have, besides I know quite a few techies that used 7 and went back, I even had a couple of them offer me thiers if I was intersted, I said no thanks, and they went back pretty much for the same reasons I stated, the advantages are minor, complications with older devises major, and yes we are happy and still doing fine with our older equipment, if that makes us un-cool than so be it, but having extra cash in my pocket makes me smarter.

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I don't know what your all talking about, XP Was nothing other then an attempt to convince us we need pretty operating systems with all that Blue everywhere, I mean what functionality did they actually add, a green Start button?! I can run Doom perfectly well on 95 and it's nowhere near as much of a resource hog!

Your right Keith...lets all go back to 95'...err well how bout we revise 95 and bring it up to date add directx-11 support etc.., NOW THAT would be a bad-ass system...

With windows being the most widely used operating system, and Microsoft trying to break into the mobile device market in a big way, they want their mobile and desktop systems to operate in a very similar fashion. They're keeping it simple for the masses who aren't tech geeks like alot of the people on this site. It might be a smart move considering most people can barely use a computer let alone several devices with several different operating systems.
I'm no Microsoft fan boy either, I use Ubuntu primarily and boot into windows when I need to, but the direction they're taking seems fairly obvious. If you don't like it don't use it. I will probably not rush to change anything either until we see how it stacks up.

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I've always found it strange how some people are so scared of change that they will bash what they do not know.

Windows 7 is the best MSFT operating system to date, period. Windows XP was great but it is now 10 years old, it is time to move on.

Let's be honest here, as well, Vista had its annoyances but it was not "the devil" people claim it to be.

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XP is much better at file transfers and networking than Seven amongst many other things that I really don’t want to get into but could. I just love how when I want to copy large amounts of data from one drive to another or to a network drive I get the Calculating.... garbage and then I wait and wait. With XP you don't have that nonsense. Seven is a decent OS very pretty which is what most who would like to think makes it better sets their bias. Once again it is very simple XP is the rock star so far even though it is getting out dated, no other OS has stood up as well and as long as it, PERIOD! Now if you are too stubborn to comprehend that then so be it but that is solid point.

I like and use Seven but there are things I hate more than stuff I hate in XP. Seven if the future right now and much better then Vista so it is the future for now.

And yes Vista is the devil that people think it is but again it you are blown away by pretty and only pretty it is the best OS out there. Which some of you definately fall into.

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And yes Vista is the devil that people think it is but again it you are blown away by pretty and only pretty it is the best OS out there. Which some of you definately fall into.

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And yes Vista is the devil that people think it is but again it you are blown away by pretty and only pretty it is the best OS out there. Which some of you definately fall into.

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Which is a little strange because my experience of Vista is with Vista Home Basic and that doesn't have any of the "pretty pretty" stuff.
After SP1 was applied it is just like using a slightly different (but only slightly) XP, but obviously much more up to date.

I honestly can't see anything for anyone to get all twisted and start shouting "devil" over it at all.

Windows 7 is widely regarded as better again than Vista.

At the end of the day XP is 2 months off its 10th birthday.
Like it or not at some point you just have to let it go & realise you are doing yourself no favours clinging to the past.
That's nothing to do with being attracted to the superficial visuals, it's pure self-interested security sense.

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I hate to seem like a fanboy, because I do have respect for XP, but I have had far less crashes with "7" than xp. Fact of the matter is, I don't recall the last crash. And I've never had a blue screen with "7". I don't have any compatibility issues either. Everything I install just works. During the beta testing, I had some MS Paint issues, and a printer compatibility issue. That's it. Epson updated their driver, and no more troubles. Oh wait, Peerguardian. Peerguardian could not install. But it was updated with something called peerblock, so no big deal there :p

I will try the Windows 8 Beta provided they release it into the wild like they did "7" ;)
Until we've seen more and actually tested it, we really can't talk so harshly about it, can we?

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I hate to seem like a fanboy, because I do have respect for XP, but I have had far less crashes with "7" than xp. Fact of the matter is, I don't recall the last crash. And I've never had a blue screen with "7". I don't have any compatibility issues either. Everything I install just works. During the beta testing, I had some MS Paint issues, and a printer compatibility issue. That's it. Epson updated their driver, and no more troubles. Oh wait, Peerguardian. Peerguardian could not install. But it was updated with something called peerblock, so no big deal there :p

I will try the Windows 8 Beta provided they release it into the wild like they did "7" ;)
Until we've seen more and actually tested it, we really can't talk so harshly about it, can we?

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First off even stripped down Basic or if you want to get more ridicules Starter it was STILL a resource hog and STILL couldn't run most old apps!

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Vista is the prettiest OS so far

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but is also one of the worst too right in there with ME but ME might have been better, why do you think they died so fast? DAaaaa...

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Seven is what Vista was supposed to be and is why it is better you really don't seem to have a clue do you on this?

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Who is clinging to the past?

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I sure am not I use Seven not XP, as I’ve stated several times had you comprehended what you read, but that doesn't mean that XP isn't the best OS so far and again shows your lack to comprehend the whole ordeal here.

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This doesn’t surprise me though and seem to be par of the course for some, all the answers but can't see beyond the tunnel they’re in, to bad so sad.

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I knew you wouldn't get it and never will there are some like that and you'll continue to twist things in your mind but I'm sure your bliss so keep up the good work. Nothing you have stated is worth even addressing from your ramblings so I'll leave you in your eternal bliss with that.

Good luck InterestX.... :)

Mr-Movies

Seems to me that you're the one who just doesn't get it - or want to get it.

As Andre said, for the vast bulk of people most of the time the Windows OS is exactly what they want & need.
No piddling about, it just works and it is not the horrendous drama some seem to insist it is.

Certainly that is my experience with all the Windows product I have tried from 95 through to 7......and no, that's not to say they are at all times completely problem free and perfect but then that would be a ludicrous yardstick for any product
(although it seems it is pretty much how certain people gauge this)

You can moan about Vista if you want, that is your right & plenty once did -
(although I do wonder how much of that was on the basis of personal experience rather than something they read) -
but many if not most now accept that since the SP update Vista is a pretty good OS.
That's just a fact.

You can complain that you find Windows 7 flakey too if you like but I suggest once again that you are in the small minority.

Maybe MS will hear your complaints and do something about that partition tool or the 100mb system partition (oh the horror!).

But like I said for most most of the time Windows does the job, painlessly & easily.
Some people are just determined to complain and that's fine, it's their right......but to move from that to pretending that their experience is typical and we all suffer an outrageous shoddy product is laughable.

(but sadly it is exactly the sort of petty & ridiculous blinkered whinging that can practically be guaranteed to go on any time anything is said about a MS OS)

I think its probably safe to assume most of us here are not n00bs and are rather more or less l33t so...with that said this whole convo is kinda lame, we all like what we like, and we're gonna use what we use...for example...I like Windows XP service pack 2...you like Windows 7...You like older girls, I like...cough.. ;-)

anyway lol i gotta get back to my busy day of downloading from Utorrent and Emule etc...

KTHX bye,,

Like I said you are clueless InterestX and you still don't get it. You don't have a clue what I've said or the whole argument obviously from your reply(ies). Toooo Badddd Soooo Saddddd.... :) All I can do is repeat and repeat but if you can't comprehend, and you can't, then why bother.

@elitepunk - This isn't about choice and it never was, you and InterestX should get together you'd make great partners.

Way to funny how we twist reality, and when I say we I don't mean me.

I hear the same often about one should at least change to 7 because of security issues with XP, I never have any security issues with my XP, I did have some when I was a dummy, didn't know what I was doing, than when you gain some knowledge especially commen sense your good to go.

If your doing idoitic things with your PC using XP and run into all kinds of security issues, believe me, you'll have the same problem with 7.

And the more I keep reading about 8, it's just mind boggling to me, they have got to be kidding me, here is the latest I have read

Microsoft made it clear last night that — contrary to expectations and rumors — the new shell is going to be the default on all Windows 8 PCs, and not just tablets. Many of us Microsoft watchers had believed it would be the default on tablets.

I guess I will have to go with 7 come 2014 even though I'm very happy with it, after 2014 when the updates stop I guess I will have no other choice, but 8, if it's what it seems to be, they can stick it where the sun don't shine.

Fred, that is nonsense XP is no more vulnerable than Seven the two token security is minimal at best. Let's face it MS has never been good at security and even this new Activation 3.0 will turn out to be a joke. Look at what a mess and joke UAC is and NTFS permissions too for that matter.

Microsoft continually shoots themselves in the foot and never seems to learn their lessons. Eight will be like Vista, ME, and 95 apparently so by 2014 they may have another system like Seven that might be decent enough to go with but Seven may be the route to go. I doubt businesses will even consider Eight and most will stick with Seven unless MS wises up fast after Eight releases and bombs which again seems to be the cycle.

uhhhh...who needs updates? updates to what? ill be using xpsp2 well after 2014...xpsp3 is a joke [have that on my netbook...total crap...] one day i will get around to installing xpsp2 on it..

Fred, are you saying that windows 8 will be default in "Tablet Mode"? If that's true, I'm laughing my butt off right now. I guarantee there is a very small percentage of people that would actually like that. What in the world are they smoking? Cause I DON'T want any of it LOL!

Mr-Movies

You know what's really funny here?

First of all that once again you leap to a hostile aggressive stance when Elitepunk was being perfectly reasonable.

Secondly that people like you were spouting this same kind of crap when XP first came out.

It's the same old same old, nit-picking quibbling whinging hate and pretending that whatever the OS if it was MS it had to be (overall) incredibly bad news.

Boring.

.....I'd also add that you seem to have entirely the wrong idea about MS & their attitudes to sticking to an OS release schedule.
I have seen nothing from them that says they expect 'everyone' to leap aboard their latest OS.
They are however not going to repeat what happened with XP.
They do not think it is good for private customers, businesses or (horror of horrors) themselves.

The point is they have (for those that want it......and if I were buying a new PC I might well want their latest OS) an up-to-date OS every 'X' number of years.
You me or business can choose to get it or not.
But we will do so knowing that sticking with what we have brings consequences in terms of features & support etc etc.

It's a free country(ish) you can bah-humbug Win 8 if you want (I probably won't be bothering with it either) but this reflex negative attitude is tedious in the extreme.

It's just business, they're not your pals doing you a favour - or not.

Your right they don't want people to buy their latest OS they just make it to say they made it. This is a prime example of how out of touch you really are. You say they won't repeat but history shows us that we do repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Once again what can one say I could attack every line you write but it is such nonsense that again it just isn't worth it and once again you just don't understand at all so all I can say is twisted.

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Fred, are you saying that windows 8 will be default in "Tablet Mode"? If that's true, I'm laughing my butt off right now. I guarantee there is a very small percentage of people that would actually like that. What in the world are they smoking? Cause I DON'T want any of it LOL!

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You know what? Im down for this. Mostly because its different and seems fairly intuitive. Ill have a go with this filly. Its time for a change-up, so smack your bitch up!!!

"...XP is no more vulnerable than Seven..."

Are you high? As any OS ages and gains more users, it also gains more exploits because of the higher user base, which is the case with XP. Furthermore, UAC did wonders for the average user that wasn't tech savvy for stopping rootkits from installing themselves. From the perspective of the average consumer, Vista and 7 did wonders, and from the perspective of a tech, it does wonders because I don't have to fix as many errors on the non-savvy users' end.

You show your ignorance big time. Age can affect an OS but seriously I can use the same exploits for either OS and UAC hasn’t stopped anything especially for the ignorant people as they will allow everything as they don’t know what to do. So it only irritates people instead of protecting them. I would say within a year of a new OS the hackers know most of the vulnerabilities of any OS so the fact that XP is almost a decade old doesn’t really matter as Seven exploits are just as well known, if that were really the issue.

Vista and Seven have had many driver issues and compatibility issues and Microsoft Certified Driver issues and so on and so on.

That is only the tip of the ice berg so I would say if someone is high here I would say you are burning it at both ends!

Stay in the clouds as it seems you are bliss there!!

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You show your ignorance big time. Age can affect an OS but seriously I can use the same exploits for either OS and UAC hasn’t stopped anything especially for the ignorant people as they will allow everything as they don’t know what to do. So it only irritates people instead of protecting them. I would say within a year of a new OS the hackers know most of the vulnerabilities of any OS so the fact that XP is almost a decade old doesn’t really matter as Seven exploits are just as well known, if that were really the issue.

Vista and Seven have had many driver issues and compatibility issues and Microsoft Certified Driver issues and so on and so on.

That is only the tip of the ice berg so I would say if someone is high here I would say you are burning it at both ends!

Stay in the clouds as it seems you are bliss there!!

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OK, How can I put this, I have said in the past I am no techie, never will be, I don't think I lack commen sense though, you people can say all you want about how secure vista or 7 is or was, let me give you an example what I saw for myself out in the streets so to speak.

I have and do hang around once in a while where pc's are bought and sold, and as a friend of mine that does own a pc repair shop, have known him for quite a few years and I go over and shoot the breeze with him every once in a while, as I spend at least several hours with him I am not deaf or blind, not yet anyway, do you know how many labtops and pc's I see brought over to him because thier computers are infected, and shall I go on what most of them are because yes that's what most people are using today, vista and mainly 7, you guessed it, vista and 7, so your security theorie kinda went right out the window didn't it.

My buddy just shakes his head as the customers leave, sure more bucks for him, but he knows damn right well it's not what OS you use, it's 90% of peoples lack of knowledge or just sheer stupidity.

I often downplay myself mostly on these forums here at AD, cause I know I do not posses the knowledge most have here, but the more I read some of these posts I think I'm gonna stop second guessing myself.

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You show your ignorance big time. Age can affect an OS but seriously I can use the same exploits for either OS and UAC hasn’t stopped anything especially for the ignorant people as they will allow everything as they don’t know what to do. So it only irritates people instead of protecting them. I would say within a year of a new OS the hackers know most of the vulnerabilities of any OS so the fact that XP is almost a decade old doesn’t really matter as Seven exploits are just as well known, if that were really the issue.

Vista and Seven have had many driver issues and compatibility issues and Microsoft Certified Driver issues and so on and so on.

That is only the tip of the ice berg so I would say if someone is high here I would say you are burning it at both ends!

Stay in the clouds as it seems you are bliss there!!

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I'm in awe by how full of yourself you are. I feel sorry if you work in IT and have average users as your clients. Sorry for your clients anyway.

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OK, How can I put this, I have said in the past I am no techie, never will be, I don't think I lack commen sense though, you people can say all you want about how secure vista or 7 is or was, let me give you an example what I saw for myself out in the streets so to speak.

I have and do hang around once in a while where pc's are bought and sold, and as a friend of mine that does own a pc repair shop, have known him for quite a few years and I go over and shoot the breeze with him every once in a while, as I spend at least several hours with him I am not deaf or blind, not yet anyway, do you know how many labtops and pc's I see brought over to him because thier computers are infected, and shall I go on what most of them are because yes that's what most people are using today, vista and mainly 7, you guessed it, vista and 7, so your security theorie kinda went right out the window didn't it.

My buddy just shakes his head as the customers leave, sure more bucks for him, but he knows damn right well it's not what OS you use, it's 90% of peoples lack of knowledge or just sheer stupidity.

I often downplay myself mostly on these forums here at AD, cause I know I do not posses the knowledge most have here, but the more I read some of these posts I think I'm gonna stop second guessing myself.

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You know I read all this talk on how vista and 7 does this and does that, didn't I just explain how many times I saw people come in with infected computers using both, I am the old dinosaur that is still using XP but I'm not having any problems, so yes I am enjoying living in the past.

Everybody here defending 7 and that's great I'm happy you guys are happy with it, but all that mumbo jumbo tech explanation does not change the fact what I seen with my own eyes, you can throw in all these details at me but is still doesn't change the fact that your vista or 7 is this great new security protector, it's not, it might be better on security but far from this messiah as some of you guys fall over for.

Your first sentence is was buried you, that was exactly the kind of excuse I knew I would hear that often comes from techie boys, OH well that's because everybody uses vista and 7 now, and everything you explained right after that became obsolete, even though it was a nice fancy explanation, but come on, you have to do better than that, but I do have to admit, at least you gave it a shot, just unfortunately it backfired.

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You know I read all this talk on how vista and 7 does this and does that, didn't I just explain how many times I saw people come in with infected computers using both, I am the old dinosaur that is still using XP but I'm not having any problems, so yes I am enjoying living in the past.

Everybody here defending 7 and that's great I'm happy you guys are happy with it, but all that mumbo jumbo tech explanation does not change the fact what I seen with my own eyes, you can throw in all these details at me but is still doesn't change the fact that your vista or 7 is this great new security protector, it's not, it might be better on security but far from this messiah as some of you guys fall over for.

Your first sentence is was buried you, that was exactly the kind of excuse I knew I would hear that often comes from techie boys, OH well that's because everybody uses vista and 7 now, and everything you explained right after that became obsolete, even though it was a nice fancy explanation, but come on, you have to do better than that, but I do have to admit, at least you gave it a shot, just unfortunately it backfired.

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it might be better on security but far from this messiah as some of you guys fall over for

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in theory you should be able to dual-boot xp and 7...but i havnt tried that yet, but probably will soon... currently im booting two versions of xp lol! the advantage of dual booting 7-x64 is so that you can run apps that need more than ~3.5 gigs of ram...but so far no game i play even needs more than 2 gigs...that might be an issue in the near future tho, with directx-11 exclusive games probably showing up soon, although i can't really name any atm..

i guess if you have like 8-16 gigs of ram 7-x64 might come in handy to actually be able to utalize full amount..

Windows 7 Ultimate has a copy of Windows XP mode built-in, just in case.
It's a nice touch I think.

As for the approx 3.5gb RAM limit, that's a 32bit issue afaik, that lower limit isn't there in 64bit XP or Vista or 7.

The explaination for this is that it's an addressing issue and if more than 4gb of RAM was allowed on a 32bit OS it could give rise to issues with hardware & drivers, so they play it safe and set that limit.

Until most move to 64bit it's likely to stay (and with so much still happily working on 32bit the incentive is far from obvious).

(I have seen it said that Windows 7 64bit RAM limits vary quite a lot, 16gb for Home Premium and 128gb (wow) for Professional, Enterprise and Ultimate versions)

Fred, They really aren't worth it but thanks for trying, the sad fact is they are so biased they just won't get the point and it is all about extreme thinking, not the big picture. If they like it, it must be the best! That type of general lack of thinking seems to be contagious with some and quite common in the youth. The sad fact that they can be slandering one and then turn around and telling you that you have the attitude is a prime example of how lost they are. I'll say it again REPEAT! So Sad To Bad!!

I do like that Microsoft has bought VirtualPC and added XP Mode as a virtual machine in Seven, that was a great move on their part.

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Fred, They really aren't worth it but thanks for trying, the sad fact is they are so biased they just won't get the point and it is all about extreme thinking, not the big picture. If they like it, it must be the best! That type of general lack of thinking seems to be contagious with some and quite common in the youth. The sad fact that they can be slandering one and then turn around and telling you that you have the attitude is a prime example of how lost they are. I'll say it again REPEAT! So Sad To Bad!!

I do like that Microsoft has bought VirtualPC and added XP Mode as a virtual machine in Seven, that was a great move on their part.

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I really don't know why you guys are being so harsh on Mr. Movies, he made some good rebuttals and you guys freaked out over it, than you guys got harsh than so did he, he is so right on, I think I'm beggining to waste my time.

But here's another quote from one of you guys, Furthermore, I would venture a guess that many average consumers are beginning to update their PC's to run on Vista or 7, and not XP, and that would also explain why your friend's clients are bringing in systems with Vista and 7 on them.

Oh you think, of course I know why most people are bringing in 7 now, didn't I say that from the beggining, but who cares about that, the point is 7 is not that un-vulnerable as you guys think, what is it you guys are not getting, I use XP, and have no problems, others use 7 and if thier doing it irresponsibly they get problems, that's the simple point, so please don't lay these quotes on me that is is the savior OS.

I gave you an example of 7 also can be vulnarable, and what do you guys come back with, oh it's because more people are using it now plus all kinds of other technical bull, you should listen to your excuses, if you people were in court I sure as hell wouldn't want you defending me, I'd be going to jail for sure.

Plus Mr. Movies is right, I'm done here, it is a waste of time, normally on AD I always learn new things, but this forum was a waste, you guys won, you all all right I'm wrong, now for a good movie. Goodbye to all.

Ok. this was horrible! I mean talk about making things bad. I tried the dev preview and did not like it. I could not even find the old control panel. This might be good Microsoft, but first, PLEASE give us the option with metro apps. Dont force it on us. I personally want the start menu.

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I gave you an example of 7 also can be vulnarable, and what do you guys come back with, oh it's because more people are using it now plus all kinds of other technical bull, you should listen to your excuses, if you people were in court I sure as hell wouldn't want you defending me, I'd be going to jail for sure.

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My buddy just shakes his head as the customers leave, sure more bucks for him, but he knows damn right well it's not what OS you use, it's 90% of peoples lack of knowledge or just sheer stupidity.

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You can get viruses even if you are the sharpest bulb on the planet so I don't buy into that argument in the least. You go to a given site, they drop some cookies or malware on your PC and woo-laaa you are hit. Without some protection you are open to just about anything and easily tracked.

In todays world one should not be without a good firewall and AV suite.

Kids, please don't follow in SoulGLOW's shoes....

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Well i am sure there must be more to windows 8 then what that video shows but from my first impression I will be using windows 7 until windows 9 comes out.

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Well i am sure there must be more to windows 8 then what that video shows but from my first impression I will be using windows 7 until windows 9 comes out.

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I'm still holding on to my WIndows 95 until they can come up with something better.

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Well i am sure there must be more to windows 8 then what that video shows but from my first impression I will be using windows 7 until windows 9 comes out.

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I'm still holding on to my WIndows 95 until they can come up with something better.

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I stand corrected... LOL

Ah come on guys, lets wait for a update to CPM :)

Anyone who doesn't use virus software and a firewall is a complete idiot.

:p <--- Idiot.

I generally don't visit sites known for malicious activity. And recognizing bogus emails is easy peasy. Eh, I install one if I think I have a problem. Virus's and worms have a way of making themselves known ;) Malwarebytes is certainly my first choice.

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You can get viruses even if you are the sharpest bulb on the planet so I don't buy into that argument in the least. You go to a given site, they drop some cookies or malware on your PC and woo-laaa you are hit. Without some protection you are open to just about anything and easily tracked.

In todays world one should not be without a good firewall and AV suite.

Kids, please don't follow in SoulGLOW's shoes....

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Anyone who doesn't use virus software and a firewall is a complete idiot.

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:p <--- Idiot.

I generally don't visit sites known for malicious activity. And recognizing bogus emails is easy peasy. Eh, I install one if I think I have a problem. Virus's and worms have a way of making themselves known ;) Malwarebytes is certainly my first choice.

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You can get viruses even if you are the sharpest bulb on the planet so I don't buy into that argument in the least. You go to a given site, they drop some cookies or malware on your PC and woo-laaa you are hit. Without some protection you are open to just about anything and easily tracked.

In todays world one should not be without a good firewall and AV suite.

Kids, please don't follow in SoulGLOW's shoes....

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Did not say that I dont have a firewall. In fact I have 3. DID NOT say that I dont use an AV software. I SAID that I dont have one installed. Come back to reality and get a grip on your English comprehension. And thats not just directed at you but to all the other commenters who somehow imagined up the idea that I dont use these essential things. Geez you write a whole paragraph but everybody disregards half of it, just to fit their little ideological bubble. Judge the WHOLE of something literary not a few choice sentences or words.

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Wow I suggest you read that again...idiot

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You can get viruses even if you are the sharpest bulb on the planet so I don't buy into that argument in the least. You go to a given site, they drop some cookies or malware on your PC and woo-laaa you are hit. Without some protection you are open to just about anything and easily tracked.

In todays world one should not be without a good firewall and AV suite.

Kids, please don't follow in SoulGLOW's shoes....

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Did not say that I dont have a firewall. In fact I have 3. DID NOT say that I dont use an AV software. I SAID that I dont have one installed. Come back to reality and get a grip on your English comprehension. And thats not just directed at you but to all the other commenters who somehow imagined up the idea that I dont use these essential things. Geez you write a whole paragraph but everybody disregards half of it, just to fit their little ideological bubble. Judge the WHOLE of something literary not a few choice sentences or words.

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Actually you did so get over yourself...

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SoulGLOW, is this really necessary? Or are you trying to get banned?

Originally posted by SoulGLOW:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by SoulGLOW:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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You can get viruses even if you are the sharpest bulb on the planet so I don't buy into that argument in the least. You go to a given site, they drop some cookies or malware on your PC and woo-laaa you are hit. Without some protection you are open to just about anything and easily tracked.

In todays world one should not be without a good firewall and AV suite.

Kids, please don't follow in SoulGLOW's shoes....

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Did not say that I dont have a firewall. In fact I have 3. DID NOT say that I dont use an AV software. I SAID that I dont have one installed. Come back to reality and get a grip on your English comprehension. And thats not just directed at you but to all the other commenters who somehow imagined up the idea that I dont use these essential things. Geez you write a whole paragraph but everybody disregards half of it, just to fit their little ideological bubble. Judge the WHOLE of something literary not a few choice sentences or words.

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Actually you did so get over yourself...

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damn you are stupid

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DID NOT say that I dont use an AV software. I SAID that I dont have one installed.

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No doubt!

Originally posted by omegaman7:

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SoulGLOW, is this really necessary? Or are you trying to get banned?

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Originally posted by keith1993:

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If you want a Windows desktop you'll stick with Vista or 7. If you want a newer operating system you'll buy a Mac or swap to Linux, If you want a tablet you'll buy one running a Tablet OS. Who are they selling this to?

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