Another developer applauds PlayStation 4's memory, speed

If it needs 8GB of ultra fast memory, the load screens are going to be very long.

Hmmm, we'll have to wait & see the final specs but I suspect (with so little differences between them) this is where the fanboy argument will revolve about PS4 v Xbox 720
(said to use 8gb of GDDR3).

Last I read there's an issue about latency with GDD5.
It also depends on how big the data bus is.

GDDR3 can be better for graphics rendering.

But I'm betting that once again in all practical senses there'll be almost nothing between them, other than price
(which Sony will be pushed to subsidise much & Microsoft could, easily).

We'll have to wait & see.

Looks like there's a PR campaign on saying nice things about PS4 tho.

cool

Originally posted by Interestx:

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Hmmm, well have to wait & see the final specs but I suspect (with so little differences between them) this is where the fanboy argument will revolve about PS4 v Xbox 720
(said to use 8gb of GDDR3).

Last I read theres an issue about latency with GDD5.
It also depends on how big the data bus is.

GDDR3 can be better for graphics rendering.

But Im betting that once again in all practical senses therell be almost nothing between them, other than price
(which Sony will be pushed to subsidise much & Microsoft could, easily).

Well have to wait & see.

Looks like theres a PR campaign on saying nice things about PS4 tho.

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typical fanboy argument. Sr. if your argument is true, why do all graphic cards use GDDR5? your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

8 gigs of GDDR5 Ram is nice.

I would not be surprised if Xbox upped the ante to that too.

They're figuring in a year or two's time GDDR5 will probably be much cheaper.

If there is one thing that could be said about SCE is that they do have good exclusives.

Speed and ease of programming are very important to developers.

To consumers, the biggest deciding factor influencing the purchase the PS4 versus the XBox 720 may well prove to be the availability of used games for the PS4.

Microsoft's broad hints that the 720 will not permit the use of used games is causing much unease in the gaming community. This unease is even greater in the achievement hunting community.

It doesn't look good.

Without warning, Microsoft recently announced the end to its family accounts. Families and achievement hunters alike are dismayed.

Microsoft's cavalier disregard for consumers interests makes it highly likely that they will render impossible the use of used games on the 720.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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If it needs 8GB of ultra fast memory, the load screens are going to be very long.

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how so

Originally posted by maklaw:

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typical fanboy argument.

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Hardly, I own both Xbox 360 & PS3.
Try again.

Originally posted by maklaw:

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Sr. if your argument is true, why do all graphic cards use GDDR5? your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

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The data bus size is crucial.
Try googling GDDR3 v GDDR5.
It is not quite as straight-forward as you imply.

Originally posted by pridmore:

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Microsoft's cavalier disregard for consumers interests makes it highly likely that they will render impossible the use of used games on the 720.

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That is grim. It's gone from. "hey, we can make everybody pay for any game they play, even if it's already been paid for!". To, "hey, it's our right to make everyone pay etc. etc.".

Originally posted by Interestx:

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Looks like there's a PR campaign on saying nice things about PS4 tho.

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Normally my B.S. meter picks up hyped P.R. pretty good. So I would agree with you, but like another person said Developers love easy programing. The easier it is to run your dev kit the better it is for developers to make a great game.

Since Sony was famously known for having the worst ever devkit for the PS3 at launch I don't honestly think this is a P.R. machine for positive news. I think people are genuinely surprised at how well and easy it is to develop for the PS4 over the PS3.

Originally posted by pridmore:

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Microsoft's cavalier disregard for consumers interests makes it highly likely that they will render impossible the use of used games on the 720.

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Nothing has happened yet, it ,may happen and it may not.....but what we can say for 100% certainty is that it was Sony that patented a method to stop used game use early on in the life-cycle of the PS3.

It never happened then & there's no reason to suspect it will catch on now.
Neither Microsoft or Sony are in the business of alienating their customer base.....and I'd say it's pretty clear what the potential customers think of this.

Originally posted by Interestx:

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Originally posted by pridmore:

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Microsoft's cavalier disregard for consumers interests makes it highly likely that they will render impossible the use of used games on the 720.

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Nothing has happened yet, it ,may happen and it may not.....but what we can say for 100% certainty is that it was Sony that patented a method to stop used game use early on in the life-cycle of the PS3.

It never happened then & there's no reason to suspect it will catch on now.
Neither Microsoft or Sony are in the business of alienating their customer base.....and I'd say it's pretty clear what the potential customers think of this.

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for sony, they confirmed 2nd handed game will always work on their console... they even said that people would like to be able to take it to friend's house and play it there.

Originally posted by jookycola:

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Originally posted by Interestx:

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Looks like there's a PR campaign on saying nice things about PS4 tho.

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Normally my B.S. meter picks up hyped P.R. pretty good. So I would agree with you, but like another person said Developers love easy programing. The easier it is to run your dev kit the better it is for developers to make a great game.

Since Sony was famously known for having the worst ever devkit for the PS3 at launch I don't honestly think this is a P.R. machine for positive news. I think people are genuinely surprised at how well and easy it is to develop for the PS4 over the PS3.

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They should call it the PS180 instead haha.

I remember having some long arguments with PS fanboys here (they know who they are even if they deny it now) years ago about that when the PS3 was launched. "Having it be more difficult to program for will lead to innovations in gameplay", they insisted. "Na", I replied, "it will just piss them off".

Looks like I gets the last laugh. :)

PS: I did think it was a noble idea on Sony's part btw. But the lack of a better gpu made programming the thing really expensive for developers.



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I totally forgot about Nintendo.... Where is Nintendo

Originally posted by aeonstom0:

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I totally forgot about Nintendo.... Where is Nintendo

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Waiting to see what happens with the other 2.
My bet is that they will price accordingly & with more games out by then they will be well placed once again.

Especially as TV res is capped @ 1080p.

I bet lots of people will see little or no difference between them all.....and the built-in Blu-ray movie players will matter even less as cheap standalones are readily available.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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If it needs 8GB of ultra fast memory, the load screens are going to be very long.

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would be the opposite of that?

Originally posted by brockie:

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Originally posted by KillerBug:

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If it needs 8GB of ultra fast memory, the load screens are going to be very long.

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would be the opposite of that?

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Well i guess in some games you can use that extra ram to preload stuff on the fly.

Originally posted by maklaw:

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Originally posted by Interestx:

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Hmmm, well have to wait & see the final specs but I suspect (with so little differences between them) this is where the fanboy argument will revolve about PS4 v Xbox 720
(said to use 8gb of GDDR3).

Last I read theres an issue about latency with GDD5.
It also depends on how big the data bus is.

GDDR3 can be better for graphics rendering.

But Im betting that once again in all practical senses therell be almost nothing between them, other than price
(which Sony will be pushed to subsidise much & Microsoft could, easily).

Well have to wait & see.

Looks like theres a PR campaign on saying nice things about PS4 tho.

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typical fanboy argument. Sr. if your argument is true, why do all graphic cards use GDDR5? your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

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This actually made me LoL...good one maklaw.

hello oner, long time no see.

Originally posted by ddp:

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hello oner, long time no see.

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I'm off then.

Originally posted by Oner:

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This actually made me LoL...good one maklaw.

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Except it's not.

There is much more to the debate about which gives the better outcome than simply the label GDDR 5 over GDDR3.
Data bus size as I've mentioned is a huge issue.

It is a fact that some of the GDDR5 graphics cards do get outperformed by some of the GDDR3 ones.

But it comes as no surprise that somee prefer to think it is a simplistic matter of a higher number in the spec type label so that must always mean 'better'.

It is a surprise Oner can't or won't admit this truth.

Fanboy you say?
How ironic.

Originally posted by ddp:

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hello oner, long time no see.

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Hey man, how are things?

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Originally posted by ddp:

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hello oner, long time no see.

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I'm off then.

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lulz.

Originally posted by Interestx:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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This actually made me LoL...good one maklaw.

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Except it's not.

There is much more to the debate about which gives the better outcome than simply the label GDDR 5 over GDDR3.
Data bus size as I've mentioned is a huge issue.

It is a fact that some of the GDDR5 graphics cards do get outperformed by some of the GDDR3 ones.

But it comes as no surprise that somee prefer to think it is a simplistic matter of a higher number in the spec type label so that must always mean 'better'.

It is a surprise Oner can't or won't admit this truth.

Fanboy you say?
How ironic.

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And just for that you get a couple of days off. Some people just don't learn...because it sure seems like you forgot how short my temper is for bad attitudes ~ so here's a reminder.

oner, trying to keep busy. lost my mother due to complications of flesh eating disease 2yrs this past feb 27 then my stepfather died this past feb 3 of natural causes(old age).

Originally posted by ddp:

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oner, trying to keep busy. lost my mother due to complications of flesh eating disease 2yrs this past feb 27 then my stepfather died this past feb 3 of natural causes(old age).

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Wow man...my sincerest & deepest condolences for your losses. I too have had some family pass last year (my uncle, who is my fathers twin brother) it was really hard on the whole family as he was a big central figure for all of us.

Originally posted by Oner:

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Originally posted by ddp:

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hello oner, long time no see.

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I'm off then.

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lulz.

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I still gets the last laugh.


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i thought i get the last laugh. bummer!!!!

Originally posted by ddp:

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i thought i get the last laugh. bummer!!!!

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Better luck next time.

/rollseyes I thought you left? Guess not ---> LoL!


anyway...ddp usually gets the last laugh ~ does anyone else hear the faint sound of thunder in the distance? Because I sure do.

Jemborg, shutup as oner wasn't even commenting to you & my comments were no more Inappropriate remark then yours. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/956992/5845244
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/956992/5845096
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/956992/5844591
if you have a problem with both oner's & my capabilities as moderators then you can either complain to site admin instead of doing over half a dozen offensive reports which i & oner dealt with as we answer to site admin not to the members of this site. leave this site which is your choice or shutup so that everybody can continue learning off others from their problems with game consoles, computers or whatever. disruption is not good for this site & i didn't even ban you for those remarks in the offensive reports you did about me. closed

Originally posted by ddp:

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Jemborg, shutup as oner wasn't even commenting to you & my comments were no more Inappropriate remark then yours. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/956992/5845244
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/956992/5845096
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/956992/5844591
if you have a problem with both oner's & my capabilities as moderators then you can either complain to site admin instead of doing over half a dozen offensive reports which i & oner dealt with as we answer to site admin not to the members of this site. leave this site which is your choice or shutup so that everybody can continue learning off others from their problems with game consoles, computers or whatever. disruption is not good for this site & i didn't even ban you for those remarks in the offensive reports you did about me. closed

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TY ddp ~ I couldn't have said it any better myself.