Sony reaches 2.1 million PlayStation 4 unit sales

I wonder if they count sales like they did with the PS3?
Console sales by the amount shipped to retailers....

Either way I think both systems are fudging numbers to draw more interest/demand for each of their systems. I wonder who owns the media corporations that feed all these news articles to us. Or even if you consider the source of where articles are stated. Certainly the President of Sony would have nothing but positive things to say even if it was otherwise...

Even eBay listings are all fudged. Almost all of the high selling ones for PS4 and Xbox are sold by people with no feedback and are sold at Buy-It-Now.

Originally posted by chubbyInc:

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I wonder if they count sales like they did with the PS3?
Console sales by the amount shipped to retailers....

Either way I think both systems are fudging numbers to draw more interest/demand for each of their systems. I wonder who owns the media corporations that feed all these news articles to us. Or even if you consider the source of where articles are stated. Certainly the President of Sony would have nothing but positive things to say even if it was otherwise...

Even eBay listings are all fudged. Almost all of the high selling ones for PS4 and Xbox are sold by people with no feedback and are sold at Buy-It-Now.

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...isn't it pretty hard to pickup a ps4 at the moment due to them being sold out?
I don't think they are fudging the numbers.

Companies would never fudge numbers to look better...
Economics 101, limit the supply to increase the demand.

They are not sold out, stores are holding them back and releasing small amounts at a time on certain days. If everyone got one when they wanted they wouldn't be coming in the store and buying other un-needed stuff.

Originally posted by chubbyInc:

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I wonder if they count sales like they did with the PS3?
Console sales by the amount shipped to retailers....

Either way I think both systems are fudging numbers to draw more interest/demand for each of their systems. I wonder who owns the media corporations that feed all these news articles to us. Or even if you consider the source of where articles are stated. Certainly the President of Sony would have nothing but positive things to say even if it was otherwise...

Even eBay listings are all fudged. Almost all of the high selling ones for PS4 and Xbox are sold by people with no feedback and are sold at Buy-It-Now.

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I second this statement!!!

I was just thinking the same thing about these "sales figures". I just don't believe them.

I can however, believe that figures have been exaggerated and embellished by what was "shipped" as opposed to "sold".

Originally posted by chubbyInc:

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Companies would never fudge numbers to look better...
Economics 101, limit the supply to increase the demand.

They are not sold out, stores are holding them back and releasing small amounts at a time on certain days. If everyone got one when they wanted they wouldn't be coming in the store and buying other un-needed stuff.

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You have no clue what you're talking about and everything you just spewed out was absolute meritless crap! Take a business class and learn how it really works.

PIPE DOWN!

Originally posted by chubbyInc:

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Companies would never fudge numbers to look better...
Economics 101, limit the supply to increase the demand.

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I don't need an economic lesson, but thanks anyway.

Originally posted by chubbyInc:

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They are not sold out, stores are holding them back and releasing small amounts at a time on certain days. If everyone got one when they wanted they wouldn't be coming in the store and buying other un-needed stuff.

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This wouldn't need to be done if there was sufficient stock!
Where I live I can't even pick one up in a store until 2014! But yes, the retailers (and Sony) are doing this on purpose, withholding the product from customers during the busiest sale time of the year.

Originally posted by pensfan12:

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Originally posted by chubbyInc:

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I wonder if they count sales like they did with the PS3?
Console sales by the amount shipped to retailers....

Either way I think both systems are fudging numbers to draw more interest/demand for each of their systems. I wonder who owns the media corporations that feed all these news articles to us. Or even if you consider the source of where articles are stated. Certainly the President of Sony would have nothing but positive things to say even if it was otherwise...

Even eBay listings are all fudged. Almost all of the high selling ones for PS4 and Xbox are sold by people with no feedback and are sold at Buy-It-Now.

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...isn't it pretty hard to pickup a ps4 at the moment due to them being sold out?
I don't think they are fudging the numbers.

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A buddy of mine has been looking for a PS4 for the last week or so. Every retailer that he has contacted - both brick & mortar and online - has told him that they will not have any units available until January. Nobody said, "Keep checking back. We get new stock all the time". Everyone flatly said there will be no stock until the new year. That sounds like sold out to me.

Originally posted by aw2600:

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Originally posted by pensfan12:

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Originally posted by chubbyInc:

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I wonder if they count sales like they did with the PS3?
Console sales by the amount shipped to retailers....

Either way I think both systems are fudging numbers to draw more interest/demand for each of their systems. I wonder who owns the media corporations that feed all these news articles to us. Or even if you consider the source of where articles are stated. Certainly the President of Sony would have nothing but positive things to say even if it was otherwise...

Even eBay listings are all fudged. Almost all of the high selling ones for PS4 and Xbox are sold by people with no feedback and are sold at Buy-It-Now.

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...isn't it pretty hard to pickup a ps4 at the moment due to them being sold out?
I don't think they are fudging the numbers.

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A buddy of mine has been looking for a PS4 for the last week or so. Every retailer that he has contacted - both brick & mortar and online - has told him that they will not have any units available until January. Nobody said, "Keep checking back. We get new stock all the time". Everyone flatly said there will be no stock until the new year. That sounds like sold out to me.

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I have to concur with the 2 replies above.

As for the original posters (chubbyInc) claim that Sony uses shipped to retail numbers for their PS3 Console sales amount totals, would you care to offer any supportive factual links/information to that statement please. Because from all that I have ever read and come across it is completely untrue. Here is just some of the proof that shows Sony uses Sell Through to customer #'s (not Sell In to retailer) ~

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"One key factor to remember about these figures are that they do not count for consoles shipped. Sony has always had a strong belief and following of only counting actual consoles sold to their official numbers."

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"Looking at the number, it's important to note that Sony - unlike many other companies - counts actual sales, not just units shipped to retail."

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"We count the number of units in the hands of consumers.

We calculate our install base by 'sell through' and have done for the last four years I believe

We classify 'sell through' as the number of units consumers have actually purchased from retail. 'Sell in' is the number of units we've sold to retail."

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"Beginning with Q1 FY07, the method or reporting hardware and software unit sales has been changed from shipments to recorded sales" (taken directly from Sony's own Fiscal Year 2007 earning report)
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Additionally Nintendo uses Sell Through for their statistics as well. The ONLY console manufacturer to use Sell In (to retailer) is Microsoft...and here is supportive information to that effect ~

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"We shipped 2.8 million Xbox 360 consoles during the first quarter of fiscal year 2011" (taken from Microsoft own Fiscal Year 2011 earnings release report)

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Lastly MS has been caught channel stuffing to pad their "Sold" (to retailers) numbers I believe twice. Here is some info on one of those times ~

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"The secret sentences in the first press release cited above that make the projection possible are the following:

That “sold” number refers to units “sold into retail,” which refers to units in transit, units sitting in store inventories and machines sold to consumers.

So how can Microsoft make its stated goal? It’s simple: they “stuff” the retail channel by requiring retailers to take XBox 360s over and above those they need by the end of the year."

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@hearme0 and @pensfan12

"With just days to go before the PlayStation 4 is released in North America, Sony has come out to say meeting analysts' sales estimates of 3 million units by year-end won't be a problem."

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-o...t/1100-6416138/

I'm friends with a manager at a Best Buy in Brampton, Ontario. He has 20 units locked up in the back that he isn't allowed to put on the shelf until Dec. 23rd, one last rush to get shoppers scrambling into the stores.