U.S. ISP ordered to identify BitTorrent users

Yeah that can't be legal. A company shouldn't be forced to give up private information when no crime can be proven. They just say the "top 250" or "top 500" but they don't name any names. That means they don't have enough evidence to put a name to a crime, and should not be able to force Cox to do anything. This is a scummy bully tactic, and it won't be met well. If my ISP ever did this,they would lose my business instantly. Thankfully, they have told me personally that my privacy takes precedence over anything. I hope I can believe that.

Hi Estuansis

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They just say the "top 250" or "top 500" but they don't name any names. That means they don't have enough evidence to put a name to a crime, and should not be able to force Cox to do anything.

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Not disagreeing here at all, but this is why Cox is being subpoenaed in the 1st place, to find the names associated with the IP's accounts. The legal precedent here is that your IP (static anyway) is considered as unique as a name. I'm sure the ISP's have logs that could be used to show what account was assigned what IP dynamically as well.

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Originally posted by Estuansis:

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This is a scummy bully tactic, and it won't be met well. If my ISP ever did this,they would lose my business instantly

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Hehheh...somehow I think your account would most likely be closed anyway once they've received a subpoena for infringement.

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Thankfully, they have told me personally that my privacy takes precedence over anything. I hope I can believe that.

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I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn my friend, real cheap ;)

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Cheers Estuansis!

People should learn 3 simple letters... VPN.

Microshaft's going to take it a step farther, they'll have your name, your address, your email details and they'll know if you're using a bit torrent client. only thing missing is Cort.... i mean the cops

Originally posted by Estuansis:

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Yeah that can't be legal. A company shouldn't be forced to give up private information when no crime can be proven. They just say the "top 250" or "top 500" but they don't name any names. That means they don't have enough evidence to put a name to a crime, and should not be able to force Cox to do anything. This is a scummy bully tactic, and it won't be met well. If my ISP ever did this,they would lose my business instantly. Thankfully, they have told me personally that my privacy takes precedence over anything. I hope I can believe that.

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Whatevs man!

This is totally legit, totally legal and rightfully so!!!!!

The "top offenders" are brutal, rampant, leeching and criminalistic downloaders that are responsible for the bulk of pirating. They're relentless! I'm all about jacking illicit stuff...but I believe in commerce and buying stuff too so my collections are decent.

Don't make excuses for these people unless you're one of them of course.

In this case the legitimacy is bolstered by the fact that 150K have ACTUALLY BEEN IDENTIFIED TO DOWNLOADING and the first 250 most leechy are S.O.L. The others are lucky so technically schlomo....the legal system is cutting most peeps a break.


Check your head!


On another note, I use Peerblock with 2.35 billion proactively blocked IP addresses. I removed immediately after downloading. Never been busted.

Here we go again, history repeating itself... Did we not learn anything from the RIAA's Attempts..

LOL hearme0 you are hypocritical to say that you download but these people somehow deserve to be screwed more than you. And Peerblock really does nothing. I've been busted with and without it. My privacy has been preserved in all cases.

Also, you're applying descriptors like brutal, rampant, and relentless to a benign and simple act like downloading. Something which you've admitted doing yourself. That's just sensationalism, and doesn't actually prove any points. None of your justifications make any sense or difference to the law, and you would be considered an equal opportunity target.

I may or may not be associated with more than one of the listed ip's. I got a copy of the court order and subpoena (with the ip's highlighted) by fedex express. someone who isnt I may have downloaded 18 torrents in the time i was leased those ip's. real relentless bub

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LOL hearme0 you are hypocritical to say that you download but these people somehow deserve to be screwed more than you. And Peerblock really does nothing. I've been busted with and without it. My privacy has been preserved in all cases.

Also, you're applying descriptors like brutal, rampant, and relentless to a benign and simple act like downloading. Something which you've admitted doing yourself. That's just sensationalism, and doesn't actually prove any points. None of your justifications make any sense or difference to the law, and you would be considered an equal opportunity target.

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I know...sadly enough my "fine line" is rather difficult to convey whether verbally or typed BUT...I use the word "rampant" to differentiate me. Yes, I download but I buy a significant amount too. I buy the movies more often than not, that I watch multiple times.

As for music though.........I'm all about rampant music pirating as it truly fuels the REAL MUSIC BUSINESS for the artist and packs their stadiums of people buying 35 dollar t-shirts that only cost the band 1.50 to buy.

Look, you know what I mean by "rampant" and I'm sure most would agree it's crappy to always take take take and never give back.............at least I do.


And above all else, I'm an IT pro, as far as I'm concerned, GOD granted me the ability and knowledge to circumvent the system.........so I am an exception. Don't blame me too much...I'm really just the messenger.

I received a letter from COX stating that I was in the top 250 IP addresses being turned over.

My wife and I do not pirate. The two of us are the only ones who use our internet. Our WiFi is secured. I work in IT, so I checked our computers for a virus, or any other signs that out IP could be used for pirating. I came up with nothing. My router logs show nothing. None of our computers have music on them at all. (We use our phones for music).

There is no way we are in the "Top 250". We shouldn't be on the list at all.

This leads me to believe that either the data collection methods used are unreliable, or the company suing COX is coming up with IPs out of the air.

Either way it is unfair.

I have a substantial hard copy collection of media that would rival most enthusiasts'. I also am an IT Pro of sorts. Experience in the support industry, Degree, Certifications, etc etc. I think I'm qualified enough to say that what I do with my computer should be anonymous and private. My ISP so far agrees with that as they simply forward the letters and have not taken any action against me after some 20 cease and desists. In my eyes, my info has remained private even if someone has detected what I'm doing. I expect that to continue, or my ISP is going to be losing my business.